Does any one else feel that the tea party is destroying US

[ZombieRothbard]

No, but a return to true classical liberalism by my definition would be non-interventionist in foreign affairs, would have free and open trade with everybody (including Iran, Cuba and North Korea) and would eliminate tariffs and such that attempt to cartelize domestic industry and prevent foreign workers from being able to have work.

That isn't enough to reverse the effects of imperialism and re-develop Third World countries to bring them on equal footing with the First World countries.

I believe over time it would reverse the effects of imperialism. It wouldn't happen overnight obviously, these things take time.

[Ashmoria]

it makes no sense to mandate wages that are not at a livable level. $5 an hour isnt particularly better than $0 since you cant live on it.

It makes no sense to mandate wages if the increase in wage a person gets is offset by one or more other people now having a no job. You can't mandate your way to prosperity. If you care about the welfare of poor people, you need to implement policy that increases their marginal product (give them access to cheap/free education and healthcare) and gives them a safety net (social security). If you're considering mandating wages at all, you should mandate a wage that maximises employment.

thats not why there arent jobs.

there arent jobs because too many people are unemployed so there is no demand. no one would hire a $5/hour worker that he did not need.

[Uawc]

That isn't enough to reverse the effects of imperialism and re-develop Third World countries to bring them on equal footing with the First World countries.

I believe over time it would reverse the effects of imperialism. It wouldn't happen overnight obviously, these things take time.

Do you have any concrete data, evidence, or theory to support this claim?

[ZombieRothbard]

I believe over time it would reverse the effects of imperialism. It wouldn't happen overnight obviously, these things take time.

Do you have any concrete data, evidence, or theory to support this claim?

Yeah, we would stop destroying their wealth through warfare, stop propping up dictators through foreign aid, and provide employment for foreign workers.

[Bajireyn]

Fuck this,i'm moving to Canada...

[ZombieRothbard]

Fuck this,i'm moving to Canada...

[Tolanii]

Hey Trolly. How was your day?

I'm guessing he's dead serious. Most of the world would be better off without us (the United States).

Errrm.... No, no the world wouldn't. The Western world's economies are so interconnected, the collapse of one would collapse the others. ESPECIALLY America, the single biggest economy on the entire planet.
I agree that America has too big of a hold on world politics, and our government has waged war over JUST oil, but I guess you could say America is a necessary evil. I hope it can change.

[United Gackle]

Can't be any worse than Obama and his liberal freaks

[Ashmoria]

Can't be any worse than Obama and his liberal freaks

yes it can

[Sibirsky]

Not quite the one I had in mind, but close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0A0GEGUfIs

Nothing in there about ABC limiting his creative freedom. ):

Who cares? He did talk about bias.

[Alyakia]

Nothing in there about ABC limiting his creative freedom. ):

Who cares? He did talk about bias.

I care.

News sources are biased and usually hypocritical. Ok. That's nice. Now, about ABC limiting his creative freedom...

[Sibirsky]

Try living on $0.

it makes no sense to mandate wages that are not at a livable level. $5 an hour isnt particularly better than $0 since you cant live on it.

Fixed.

[Sibirsky]

Who cares? He did talk about bias.

I care.

News sources are biased and usually hypocritical. Ok. That's nice. Now, about ABC limiting his creative freedom...

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/joh ... ght_b26974

[Alyakia]

I care.

News sources are biased and usually hypocritical. Ok. That's nice. Now, about ABC limiting his creative freedom...

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/joh ... ght_b26974

All that says is they thought he was biased and then he left to a network who he agreed with more, not that they actively limited his "creative freedom".

It says there's a video, but I can't see it.

[Sibirsky]

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/joh ... ght_b26974

All that says is they thought he was biased and then he left to a network who he agreed with more, not that they actively limited his "creative freedom".

It says there's a video, but I can't see it.

I can't see it either. Do you think you're being reasonable, in this demand for information? Do you think when he says his bosses were not happy with what he was doing, they just said we don't like it, but let him do it anyway? There was no pressure to change content in any way?

Here is an interview with him, about leaving ABC for FOX. I will quote the most important part.

You expect to be happier here?

I’m already happier here. Because I’m free to do what I want to do. In the elevator, people say, “John Stossel, I’ve always loved your stuff, so glad you’re here.” That’s a nice feeling.

Obviously, ABC did not limit his freedom. NO NO NO!

There is more....

One the reasons you left is you had these pieces in the can that ABC wasn’t putting on the air.

There was one in particular, where I had done an hour on Michael Moore’s Sicko, and “Sick in America,” we called it, about health care. This was before Obama, and I had all this great video of a lottery in Canada to get a doctor, lines in Britain, and how if you want quick care, you have to be a dog or a cat—good stuff that really addressed the current issue. I couldn’t get it on. I finally got on a little piece and I blogged about how some “Michael Jackson is still dead” story bumped me and I was pissed. Some of my blog readers said, “Yeah Stossel, he was hung by his own petard, your beloved free market!” I had to admit, yep, that’s the market—it’s parts I like, parts I don’t. ABC felt that’s what the audience wanted. So be it. But Fox has room for both. It’s 24 hours.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -fox.html#

[Uawc]

Do you have any concrete data, evidence, or theory to support this claim?

Yeah, we would stop destroying their wealth through warfare, stop propping up dictators through foreign aid, and provide employment for foreign workers.

What is to prevent the rise of imperialism out of this, especially if the capitalist profit-driven system is to be maintained?

[The Black Forrest]

Can't be any worse than Obama and his liberal freaks

Well Slick if you think about it; the shrub and his fucknuts paved the way for Obama......

[Revolutopia]

Sib I fail to see how Fox News giving someone more freedom to report on issue that is favorable to their cause any real freedom. As honestly do you think if he want to do a story detailing how socialist healthcare is better then private that fox would allow that. I don't and think it more likely believe that any new freedom received only comes from Fox finding his suggestions more fullfilling of their own biases.

[Risna]

Go tea party, go. Destroy the US

This. Keep the tea party I hope they kill the US. YEAH DOOM!

[Sibirsky]

Sib I fail to see how Fox News giving someone more freedom to report on issue that is favorable to their cause any real freedom. As honestly do you think if he want to do a story detailing how socialist healthcare is better then private that fox would allow that. I don't and think it more likely believe that any new freedom received only comes from Fox finding his suggestions more fullfilling of their own biases.

All I said was that FOX was being more open minded.

He wants to legalize all drugs, prostitution, the possession of child pornography, and he has said so on his show. That is not the FOX stance. They let him speak anyway.

He could have been picked up by a liberal outlet. He's just as much liberal as he is a right-winger.

[Sibirsky]

Go tea party, go. Destroy the US

This. Keep the tea party I hope they kill the US. YEAH DOOM!

Because that would be good, for everyone.

[Fnordgasm 5]

No. As with most democracies of the world, it is being undone through the willful ignorance of the electorate. Those that voted for these people are to blame without taking the time to educate themselves on matters of politics and economics.

[Revolutopia]

Sib I fail to see how Fox News giving someone more freedom to report on issue that is favorable to their cause any real freedom. As honestly do you think if he want to do a story detailing how socialist healthcare is better then private that fox would allow that. I don't and think it more likely believe that any new freedom received only comes from Fox finding his suggestions more fullfilling of their own biases.

All I said was that FOX was being more open minded.

He wants to legalize all drugs, prostitution, the possession of child pornography, and he has said so on his show. That is not the FOX stance. They let him speak anyway.

He could have been picked up by a liberal outlet. He's just as much liberal as he is a right-winger.

how much of those views as he really promoted on air additionally you have not addressed the point that both CNN and MSNBC have given supercondervative pat Buchanan on show more then what has given any liberal.

[Sibirsky]

All I said was that FOX was being more open minded.

He wants to legalize all drugs, prostitution, the possession of child pornography, and he has said so on his show. That is not the FOX stance. They let him speak anyway.

He could have been picked up by a liberal outlet. He's just as much liberal as he is a right-winger.

how much of those views as he really promoted on air additionally you have not addressed the point that both CNN and MSNBC have given supercondervative pat Buchanan on show more then what has given any liberal.

Everything. All those came from his show.

For bible thumping conservatives to allow someone on the air to say that he supports legalization of possession (but not production) of kiddie porn is quite something.

What is there to address about Buchanan? He got a show. Great.

[Greed and Death]

This. Keep the tea party I hope they kill the US. YEAH DOOM!

Because that would be good, for everyone.

Maybe the only way to protect liberty is to have a reset.