Does any one else feel that the tea party is destroying US

[Alyakia]

He's probably saying that because his wikipage said he was libertarian conservative. Though I bet Wikipedia is liberal media. Speaking of which, I keep asking you about the liberal media and you never seem to respond.

What about liberal media? Is ABC liberal? That is the only question I remember. Yes they are somewhat liberal.

Tell me about the scary liberal media.

[Alyakia]

Did John Stossel ever actually try to go to the liberal media? How do you know they shut him out?

Also, will you give me answer as to whether ABC is the liberal media. Because they seem to have gave him a lot.

He said so. He said ABC limited his creative freedom, which is why he left ABC to come to FOX.

Where? And how?

I'm not sure how him willingly leaving counts as him being shut out.

[Sibirsky]

Whatever. The liberal media has no excuse for shutting out John Stossel while FOX has given him his own show.

That speaks volumes. And that is that FOX is far more open minded.

A LOT more networks have a MUCH more mixed correspondent base.

Yeah, Fox has liberal correspondents. I'm not talking about correspondents. I'm talking about a person with his own show, in prime time. On the biggest network night in TV IIRC.

[Alyakia]

A LOT more networks have a MUCH more mixed correspondent base.

Yeah, Fox has liberal correspondents. I'm not talking about correspondents. I'm talking about a person with his own show, in prime time. On the biggest network night in TV IIRC.

Do they have liberals? Or do they have libertarians?

[Sibirsky]

He said so. He said ABC limited his creative freedom, which is why he left ABC to come to FOX.

Where? And how?

I'm not sure how him willingly leaving counts as him being shut out.

Limiting his creative freedom? As in self censorship by the network.

[Sibirsky]

He said so. He said ABC limited his creative freedom, which is why he left ABC to come to FOX.

Where? And how?

I'm not sure how him willingly leaving counts as him being shut out.

How? With his mouth. Where? New York. On FOX.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah, Fox has liberal correspondents. I'm not talking about correspondents. I'm talking about a person with his own show, in prime time. On the biggest network night in TV IIRC.

Do they have liberals? Or do they have libertarians?

All of the above.

[Alyakia]

Where? And how?

I'm not sure how him willingly leaving counts as him being shut out.

How? With his mouth. Where? New York. On FOX.

Will you if I tell you to find a clip?

Limiting creative freedom is pretty vague, mind you.

[Alyakia]

Do they have liberals? Or do they have libertarians?

All of the above.

They have liberals? Real live Obama loving tax loving liberals who want us to teach our kids in schools about the gays?

[Sibirsky]

How? With his mouth. Where? New York. On FOX.

Will you if I tell you to find a clip?

Limiting creative freedom is pretty vague, mind you.

No, but I may not be able to find it.

All of the above.

They have liberals? Real live Obama loving tax loving liberals who want us to teach our kids in schools about the gays?

Yep real liberals. They don't have their own shows, mind you. They are guest correspondents on other shows.

[Sibirsky]

How? With his mouth. Where? New York. On FOX.

Will you if I tell you to find a clip?

Limiting creative freedom is pretty vague, mind you.

Not quite the one I had in mind, but close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0A0GEGUfIs

[Sovereign Spirits]

Many rally under the Tea Party moniker, but few agree. Every major news station in the US (FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, etc.) portrays them the same way, i.e. taking a small portion and passing it off as a whole. No one except those who hang on every word of the mainstream media wold believe that.

The thing about the media in this country is that, while they are prone to bullshitting practically every minute they're on the air, they appeal heavily to those of us that so desperately wish to blame somebody and justify our own hatred. It's all part of the shell game designed to keep everybody pointing fingers and nobody doing anything.

That being said, it is precisely because the Tea Party is so politically and ideologically diverse that it does not warrant automatic approval. Then again, nothing does. I suppose that kind of variety is refreshing in a way, considering that the two major parties here in the US (really one giant party) have one specific goal, i.e. the furthering of their own power base, necessarily at the expense of the populace.

Some say you're throwing away your vote by choosing someone who isn't part of the circus (the "two" major parties), but to that I say that you're throwing away your vote by going the other way as well. If you stop closing one eye and seeing one party as separate from the other, you will see how silly it is to vote for the only party in power - A dominant/one party system that we have seen elsewhere. This is almost exactly the case in the US, with one minor difference.

However, that minor difference is what has kept the thin veil in place for so long. By fooling you into thinking you have a choice, even if it's a tiny one that is still unacceptable, the charade can continue fairly unabated. Individuals in both parties have always agreed or "let things slide" whenever they can be assured that the illusion will not be broken. Those agreements have led to the passage of bills that, if the misconceptions about the party system are to be believed, should have never gone through.

Sure, there are some feeble attempts to amend them, but whenever an amendment is offered that specifically changes the language of the bill to be less significantly less oppressive, it is almost always denied. Now that any real threat to the bill is taken care of, both parties go back to taking turns putting forward legislation and pretending to oppose them by suggesting amendments that either exacerbate the problem or otherwise have no effect whatsoever.

It takes a good amount of experience, calculation, and deliberation behind closed doors to figure out how exactly to do this. Think of it as a rehearsal, if you will, before the big show. Measures must be taken beforehand to prevent anomalies (politicians who aren't scumbags) from getting in the way. Sometimes those measures include getting the bill ready at 3:00 AM so nobody has a chance to actually read it. Again, since it was rehearsed, a lot of those politicians will say they have read it in full, even though it would have been physically impossible to do so before then. Play the role you were tasked with and maybe you won't have an unfortunate accident in the private jet you were given for your loyalty.

Well, anyway, this is all just speculation. It would be totally insane if that's how things actually worked. I mean, this nation would be on the fast-track to destruction if that were the case. You know - A dying economy, crumbling infrastructure, police state, cowardly and skill-less population, that sort of thing. Boy am I glad we don't live in that kind of place.

[Alyakia]

Will you if I tell you to find a clip?

Limiting creative freedom is pretty vague, mind you.

Not quite the one I had in mind, but close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0A0GEGUfIs

Nothing in there about ABC limiting his creative freedom. ):

[Distruzio]

Recently I have gotten the feeling that the far right is trying to wreak the USA I mean they started 2 wars in the middle east over non existent WMDs ( nuclear weapons ) they deregulated the bank . And got us down graded to a double AA rating . Because of their refusal to allow for increases in government revenue. Their stupidity never ceases to amaze me. I have been called a gun hating liberal( I belong to a rifle club) I have been told I hate freedom ( yes that Is why I am against the patriot act. Because I totally want to be wire tapped) . I have been told that I like terrorist ( one of my best friends dad died in 9/11 ) .
I mean the conservative party seems to have lost it's freaking mind even if a democrat suggest a plan that the conservatives suggested years earlier they won't agree . Think about the danger that this insanity poses to all of us . It could lead to Americas down fall.
This type of thinking that the right embraces is insanity . Which is harmful to all.

Does anyone else feel that the tea party is destroying US?

If your question is does anyone else feel that the tea party is destroying us?

Then no.

If your question is does anyone else feel that the tea party is destroying the United States of America?

Then yes. I do.

/supports many tea party initiatives.

[Pope Joan]

These people are soulless automatons controlled by the hedgefunders who bankrolled their campaigns.

But there is hope; apparently the voters who elected them are now appalled to find that lo and behold they have soulless bastards- and bitches- sitting in Congress.

[Ashmoria]

* Your Opinion *

Others think so....

Yes,and those people have been running things since 2007 in the congress,and had their man in the White House since 2008,how's that hope and change working skippy? I think your beef is not with the Tea Party,they are not in power are they? I think you need to look to Washington DC,not citzens using their 1st amendment rights.

If The left can have their say in the public square of ideas, so must the center,and the right,free speech baby!! 24/7/365,366 counting leap years..

If you take their rights,someone will take yours soon enough..

* Steps off soapbox*

pssst

mr obama took office in january '09. shortly afterwards things started getting better.

[Ashmoria]

Yeah, its really sad actually, especially Norstal acting like he could hide that whole stormfront thing as if he wasn't implying anything. Standard liberal tactics.

Ok? Name me a good right-wing site then. Then go there.

if there was one, he'd be there.

[ZombieRothbard]

No, it doesn't.

No significant number of people have ever starved to death here.

Really? Ever heard of the 1896 Depression?

http://projects.vassar.edu/1896/depression.html

I lold. An Agricultural Crisis where people starved. It does not say people starved to death, it just says they were hungry. Is that the best source you have? It is a hit piece.

[ZombieRothbard]

Many rally under the Tea Party moniker, but few agree. Every major news station in the US (FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, etc.) portrays them the same way, i.e. taking a small portion and passing it off as a whole. No one except those who hang on every word of the mainstream media wold believe that.

The thing about the media in this country is that, while they are prone to bullshitting practically every minute they're on the air, they appeal heavily to those of us that so desperately wish to blame somebody and justify our own hatred. It's all part of the shell game designed to keep everybody pointing fingers and nobody doing anything.

That being said, it is precisely because the Tea Party is so politically and ideologically diverse that it does not warrant automatic approval. Then again, nothing does. I suppose that kind of variety is refreshing in a way, considering that the two major parties here in the US (really one giant party) have one specific goal, i.e. the furthering of their own power base, necessarily at the expense of the populace.

Some say you're throwing away your vote by choosing someone who isn't part of the circus (the "two" major parties), but to that I say that you're throwing away your vote by going the other way as well. If you stop closing one eye and seeing one party as separate from the other, you will see how silly it is to vote for the only party in power - A dominant/one party system that we have seen elsewhere. This is almost exactly the case in the US, with one minor difference.

However, that minor difference is what has kept the thin veil in place for so long. By fooling you into thinking you have a choice, even if it's a tiny one that is still unacceptable, the charade can continue fairly unabated. Individuals in both parties have always agreed or "let things slide" whenever they can be assured that the illusion will not be broken. Those agreements have led to the passage of bills that, if the misconceptions about the party system are to be believed, should have never gone through.

Sure, there are some feeble attempts to amend them, but whenever an amendment is offered that specifically changes the language of the bill to be less significantly less oppressive, it is almost always denied. Now that any real threat to the bill is taken care of, both parties go back to taking turns putting forward legislation and pretending to oppose them by suggesting amendments that either exacerbate the problem or otherwise have no effect whatsoever.

It takes a good amount of experience, calculation, and deliberation behind closed doors to figure out how exactly to do this. Think of it as a rehearsal, if you will, before the big show. Measures must be taken beforehand to prevent anomalies (politicians who aren't scumbags) from getting in the way. Sometimes those measures include getting the bill ready at 3:00 AM so nobody has a chance to actually read it. Again, since it was rehearsed, a lot of those politicians will say they have read it in full, even though it would have been physically impossible to do so before then. Play the role you were tasked with and maybe you won't have an unfortunate accident in the private jet you were given for your loyalty.

Well, anyway, this is all just speculation. It would be totally insane if that's how things actually worked. I mean, this nation would be on the fast-track to destruction if that were the case. You know - A dying economy, crumbling infrastructure, police state, cowardly and skill-less population, that sort of thing. Boy am I glad we don't live in that kind of place.

Another thing on your point about voting for third parties, is that people think their vote is being wasted, but it is statistically impossible for your vote to be the deciding factor in an election, so you mine as well use your vote for a referendum to show where you stand.

[Nova Nacio]

After reading all of this and realizeing that violent revolution and anarchy are our only salvation, seeing as no one will vote Independent or for a party thast will listen to us:

I just want America to die and just divide itself into multiple countries like Africa now.
You know, with different kinds of govt's. I'm sure they're doing great.

Either that, or everyone in the US secedes and adopts anarchy, because everyone's convinced "democracy" does not work anymore.

Sounds like a bunch of utopias, like Europe and Asia are, could be built under this brilliant final solution!

I wish someone would get off their ass and help me make it happen. The world will thank you and stop giving us Real Americans (We, The PEOPLE - the Middle/Working/Poor) shit!!!!!

[Nova Nacio]

Anyone with a reasonable mind will know that the Tea Party and conservatives in general are destroying the U.S. while the Liberals are trying to bring it into the 21st century.

I. WANT. PROOF. Otherwise, I approve of the Middle/Working/Poor classes banding together and all adopting violent revolution and/or anarchy, specifically on the RIch/Corporates!!

The Rich and Corporates must ALL DIE. Their religion must die, their children and their women must die/forced to be slaves to those of us who deserve to truly be here, as proclaimed BY OUR TRUE FOREFATHERS!!! WE, THE PEOPLE!!!!!!

[Bottle]

Eh. The Tea Party is the same old right-wing Republicans we've always had, just now there are enough TV stations and websites for them to set up separate turf where their craziness can stand all on its own. It makes their attitudes seem more striking when you see them like that, and compare them to other attitudes, but it's not actually anything new. It's the same racism, homophobia, sexism, and anti-intellectualism that has been around for ages.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

In my opinion the tea party movement has got a part of their plan wrong: I am sure it is possible to cut taxes for the poor and raise the taxes for the rich, and centralise the health service. I did explain about my budget plan in this forum back in July.

[SaintB]

I feel that anyone who is too far in any one direction is dangerous to any nation/civilization.

[ZombieRothbard]

One.

Your answer is incorrect.

There is a reason diagrams like that only happen in first year courses.

Whats the reason(s)?