Does any one else feel that the tea party is destroying US

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

Here's the general view on the Tea-Party by liberals:

1. Liberals claim that the Tea-Party has hijacked the nation.

2. Liberals claim that the Tea-Party has no chance of winning the 2012 elections.

3. They also claim that the Tea-Party is worsening the economy....

Here's what I don't get about liberal and their view on the Tea-Party:

1. If 2nd is correct then how can they hijack the nation?

2. If the 1st is correct then how can the Tea-Party not win the 2012 elections?

3. How can the Tea-Party be worsening the economy if they promote spending cuts, are for a better tax system (i.e: flat tax, fair tax, etc.), and against huge government spending, against the 14-15 trillion dollar debt, and against corporatism?

I can answer 2. Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin. They will guarantee Obamas election.

3) Did you miss the recent budget deadlock on extending the limit? Also, why aren't the teabaggers returning Federal money if they are against social programs? Their states have their hands out like everybody else.

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Extending the limit: THe liberals wanted to raise the cap on how much we can borrow, in other words they wanted to borrow more money but not but spending and raise taxes on large and small buissness, the very places that create jobs, thus hurting any job creation more.

The GOP wants to cut spending, incourage job growth by giving tax breaks to places for creating jobs, If you borrow more to pay back the debts we currently owe, which they agreed to, but they wanted spending cuts put in place to lower the debt at the same time.

It was not a dead lock with the GOP against generating more money. It was a dead lock against borrowing more and continuing to raise the national debt in the procress. It is the because the GOP didnt get their spending cuts, because the liberals were going to let the government get shut down before they gave in and allow everyones Social security checks to bounce befoer they agreed to a spending cut, the GOP gave in and let them raise the cap on how much the governemnt can borrow which increased the interest rate on the money they borrow, continues to raise the national debt, bankrupt the country and is the reason our credit rating went down. You can only pay so many credit cards with credit cards, each at a higher interest before it catches up to you, especially if your only paying the interest on eacha nd never reducing the amount your spending.

[Sibirsky]

That was mostly a joke. The liberal media can be essentially considered "GroupThink Network". It's literally pervasive.

If I ask you to talk about the liberal media, what are the chances that you'll give me a network that is smaller than FOX and owned by General Electric?

If I ask you which one of the biased networks is the most open minded, what are the chances you'd say FOX?

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

yes

it scares the hell out of me that the republicans could gain control of the federal government and dismantle the social safety net and all our regulatory agencies.

I hate to say it, but the social safety net is going to have to go away pretty soon anyways. The question is whether we want to do it incrementally and responsibly, or if we want to wait for the dollar to collapse and the country to devolve into chaos overnight.

Exactly. The latter is what it is heading for. But then I guess the progressives will like that because that is how you turn a country communist, you make the people depend on the government.

[Alyakia]

How about some places where it has happened that I can google for?

I've never seen it happen that I know of and you're clearly unwilling or unable to show me actual examples of it happening but it's totally common knowledge.

All government spending cuts are like that.

The more you at people the more receptive they will be to your views. Fact.

So, since all cuts are apparently like that, what spending increases are all the cuts in the UK and Greece going to? I'm dying to know.

[Orlkjestad]

FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

The Daily Show? The comedy show that attempts to espouse ideology while asserting that it's a "comedy show", and thus free from reproach, at the same time? The same Daily Show that along with the Colbert Report constantly mocks anyone who isn't Left?

The same Left that promotes bigotry and intolerance even more than their opponents? The same Left that endlessly mocks anyone besides themselves without cause and detracts any dissenters?

And you continue your argument by making a bullshit connection between a comedy show and an ideology, and presents pure libel against it?

Watch a news network other than Fox for one day, and then talk to me.

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

The Tea Party has destroyed itself in recent months; the foolish debt-ceiling debacle that badly weakened our economy and some of the nutjobs that tarnish legitimate concerns are going to do them in. To be honest, if there is any reason Obama will win in 2012, it's that debt ceiling brinksmanship...he can point to that as the reason for our economic slowdown recently and it's hard to argue otherwise. They've been hijacked by a brand of right-wing extremists that are disturbing to say the least.

If there's anyone I'd back from the Republicans over Obama in 2012, it's Ron Paul...anyone else nominated, I'm voting for Obama.

Again that is the liberals fault, especially Obama's. They refused to cut spending and would of rather let the government collaspe before doing so. If you vote Obama then you will help destroy this country and give the government more control.

[Sibirsky]

All government spending cuts are like that.

The more you at people the more receptive they will be to your views. Fact.

So, since all cuts are apparently like that, what spending increases are all the cuts in the UK and Greece going to? I'm dying to know.

I posted a chart for you.

That's incomprehensible gibberish.

[Sibirsky]

The Daily Show? The comedy show that attempts to espouse ideology while asserting that it's a "comedy show", and thus free from reproach, at the same time? The same Daily Show that along with the Colbert Report constantly mocks anyone who isn't Left?

The same Left that promotes bigotry and intolerance even more than their opponents? The same Left that endlessly mocks anyone besides themselves without cause and detracts any dissenters?

And you continue your argument by making a bullshit connection between a comedy show and an ideology, and presents pure libel against it?

Watch a news network other than Fox for one day, and then talk to me.

Fox is far more open minded than any liberal media.

[Norstal]

Yeah yeah liberals are evildoers. Where have I heard this one before? I think the two of you are really the same person in disguise.

No good argument? Running low on sarcasm? Try Personal Attacks™!

I hope that's not towards me, because if liberals really did made the free trade agreements to China and South America, then technically we're not pushing America into communism.

Oh and the being liberal means you're for destroying this country part. That's not insulting or anything.

[Orlkjestad]

And you continue your argument by making a bullshit connection between a comedy show and an ideology, and presents pure libel against it?

Watch a news network other than Fox for one day, and then talk to me.

Fox is far more open minded than any liberal media.

Yet you present no empiricist evidence! By now you're posting what a Fox-programmed propaganda robot would say.

[Alyakia]

The more you at people the more receptive they will be to your views. Fact.

So, since all cuts are apparently like that, what spending increases are all the cuts in the UK and Greece going to? I'm dying to know.

I posted a chart for you.

That's incomprehensible gibberish.

Eh, good enough for now.

What's incomprehensible about it? I want examples more relevant to me personally, and since all government cuts are the same I'm wondering what Greece and the UK are increasing spending on. ):

[Alyakia]

And you continue your argument by making a bullshit connection between a comedy show and an ideology, and presents pure libel against it?

Watch a news network other than Fox for one day, and then talk to me.

Fox is far more open minded than any liberal media.

Because open minded isn't subjective and vague.

[Alyakia]

Fox is far more open minded than any liberal media.

Because open minded isn't subjective and vague.

Could you tell me about the scary liberal media?

[Sibirsky]

Fox is far more open minded than any liberal media.

Yet you present no empiricist evidence! By now you're posting what a Fox-programmed propaganda robot would say.

Ok. Lets describe FOX.

Bible thumping, gun toting, god fearing, abortion hating, gay despising, social conservatives, right?

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

what good is a job that doesnt put you above the poverty level?

Well for starters, if we didn't print so many god damn dollars they wouldn't be worth half a Euro. It'd be the other way around. Did you know that a dollar in 1910 had the purchasing power of 27 modern U.S. Dollars? By abolishing the gold standard and not paying attention to inflation we sealed our own fate.

We actually gave up our printing rights to our money so not only are we printing a ton of money which lowers the vaule (a trick the goldsmiths learned in the middle ages or before) but we have to borrow any money we print at interest.

[Sibirsky]

I posted a chart for you.

That's incomprehensible gibberish.

Eh, good enough for now.

What's incomprehensible about it? I want examples more relevant to me personally, and since all government cuts are the same I'm wondering what Greece and the UK are increasing spending on. ):

The Tea Party has hijacked Greece?

I was talking about American governments. Fed/state/local.

[Alyakia]

Eh, good enough for now.

What's incomprehensible about it? I want examples more relevant to me personally, and since all government cuts are the same I'm wondering what Greece and the UK are increasing spending on. ):

The Tea Party has hijacked Greece?

I was talking about American governments. Fed/state/local.

So, when you say "all government cuts" you mean "all our governments cuts".

[Sibirsky]

The Tea Party has hijacked Greece?

I was talking about American governments. Fed/state/local.

So, when you say "all government cuts" you mean "all our governments cuts".

This is a thread about the US government.

[Alyakia]

So, when you say "all government cuts" you mean "all our governments cuts".

This is a thread about the US government.

You guys have a bad habit of talking about government in general as a horrible evil force everywhere. You could at least say "the government" instead of "government" because they kinda have different meanings.

[MorrighanaWarGoddess]

Actually I think it is the liberal progressives trying to destory the US in order to push their communist agenda. After all to turn a country communist one law at a time you have to destroy the industry, manufacturing mainly, put more poeple on welefare and dependent on the government first. Once people depend on the government for things like food and health care the government then has complete control. Every law Obama has attempted to pass or has done, such as closing down all American oil drilling and draining our reserves without any plans for replacement increasing spending not wanting to balance the budget or degrece spending when the governemnt is bankrupt and instead borrow more money which to pay its debts,, is what is destroying the governemnt.The liberals who got the free trade agreements with China and south america destroyed this country by driving out all our manufacturing and industry with the help the labour unions, also run by liberals, who got really greedy and demand more and more for less and less in return. Our horrible educational system but that isn't the liberals fault that is bad because of how the system is run. The GOP didn't refuse to incease the governemnt revenue. They agreed to that. They wanted to cut spending and lower taxes on buissness, because we need buissness to create jobs. They claim it was only a raise on taxs for the extreamly wealthy but small buissness also fall into the income bracket that get the tax hike. This makes it so people can not hire. Small buissness go under. Raising the buissness tax actually has the reverse effect and pushes more of our jobs out, which creats less revenue. They GOP wanted to cut spending which the liberals refused to do. I do disagee with the Bush conservatives. Bush really screwed things up and opened the door for Obama to screw it up more but despite how the media tries to spin it, Obama even denies our credit rating went down, Obama has trippled government spending from what Bush did. The liberals progressive agenda is actualy what is destroying us. The GOP didn't refuse any agreement that the liberals already came up with. The liberals refused any agreement that would cut spending and soley wanted to raise taxes on the very groups that create jobs and revenue for the people and goverment and raise the amount of money they could borrow. That is why the credit rating went down. Because the liberals refused to cut spending and only raised the cap on what they could borrow. Basically they decided to borrow more money in order to pay back money they owe already. That is like paying a credit card with a credit card but the second credit card get to pay the first the interest rate will be much higher. As now.

Yeah yeah liberals are evildoers. Where have I heard this one before? I think the two of you are really the same person in disguise.

Well, who is trying to raise spending or keep the same high spending, borrow more , raise taxes, increase welefare when the programs already don't have enough money, and has actually hurt job creation?

[Orlkjestad]

Yet you present no empiricist evidence! By now you're posting what a Fox-programmed propaganda robot would say.

Ok. Lets describe FOX.

Bible thumping, gun toting, god fearing, abortion hating, gay despising, social conservatives, right?

Pretty close, but you're at theocratic level conservatism. Though, you're close.

Anyway, how about that proof?

[Sibirsky]

This is a thread about the US government.

You guys have a bad habit of talking about government in general as a horrible evil force everywhere. You could at least say "the government" instead of "government" because they kinda have different meanings.

The government is a horrible evil force everywhere. However, government is a horrible evil force everywhere, also.

[Orlkjestad]

Yeah yeah liberals are evildoers. Where have I heard this one before? I think the two of you are really the same person in disguise.

Well, who is trying to raise spending or keep the same high spending, borrow more , raise taxes, increase welefare when the programs already don't have enough money, and has actually hurt job creation?

Congress.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

The tea-party is losing favor and fast.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opini ... party.html

Good the Tea Party will be no good for the USA.

[Norstal]

Yeah yeah liberals are evildoers. Where have I heard this one before? I think the two of you are really the same person in disguise.

Well, who is trying to raise spending or keep the same high spending, borrow more , raise taxes, increase welefare when the programs already don't have enough money, and has actually hurt job creation?

Politicians. Not liberals. Liberals just fucking vote.