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Hellenic Protectorates wrote:Because CNN is better than FOX.

Oh, and you're really cute for doing the "faux" thing. Just so you know.

FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

Ignorance of the facts? Doesn't that describe ALL the major networks?
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Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

Ignorance of the facts? Doesn't that describe ALL the major networks?


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Postby Hellenic Protectorates » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:30 am

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Hellenic Protectorates wrote:Because CNN is better than FOX.

Oh, and you're really cute for doing the "faux" thing. Just so you know.

FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

The Daily Show? The comedy show that attempts to espouse ideology while asserting that it's a "comedy show", and thus free from reproach, at the same time? The same Daily Show that along with the Colbert Report constantly mocks anyone who isn't Left?

The same Left that promotes bigotry and intolerance even more than their opponents? The same Left that endlessly mocks anyone besides themselves without cause and detracts any dissenters?

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Orlkjestad wrote:
Hellenic Protectorates wrote:Because CNN is better than FOX.

Oh, and you're really cute for doing the "faux" thing. Just so you know.

FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

I don't know where you get this shit from. But Fox, is far more open minded than any liberal media.
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Postby Alyakia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:31 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Orlkjestad wrote:As I said, if it was about a lack of spending cuts, we'd be an AA country before the compromise. If your talking about the deal, you're probably a frequent viewer of Faux News. I watch CNN, which said that S&P stated that it was disappointing at the lack of maturity in the negotiations, which caused it to lose faith that the US Congress can positively handle the economic crisis.

Hooray, personal attacks!

You said if it was spending cuts, we would be downgraded 2 years ago. Reality check. 2 years ago, the debt level was trillions lower.

btw thank you for showing me the real numbers of these "supposed" spending cuts and where they have happened they were very helpful
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Postby MorrighanaWarGoddess » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:32 am

Techocracy101010 wrote:Recently I have gotten the feeling that the far right is trying to wreak the USA I mean they started 2 wars in the middle east over non existent WMDs ( nuclear weapons ) they deregulated the bank . And got us down graded to a double AA rating . Because of their refusal to allow for increases in government revenue. Their stupidity never ceases to amaze me. I have been called a gun hating liberal( I belong to a rifle club) I have been told I hate freedom ( yes that Is why I am against the patriot act. Because I totally want to be wire tapped) . I have been told that I like terrorist ( one of my best friends dad died in 9/11 ) .
I mean the conservative party seems to have lost it's freaking mind even if a democrat suggest a plan that the conservatives suggested years earlier they won't agree . Think about the danger that this insanity poses to all of us . It could lead to Americas down fall.
This type of thinking that the right embraces is insanity . Which is harmful to all.



Actually I think it is the liberal progressives trying to destory the US in order to push their communist agenda. After all to turn a country communist one law at a time you have to destroy the industry, manufacturing mainly, put more poeple on welefare and dependent on the government first. Once people depend on the government for things like food and health care the government then has complete control. Every law Obama has attempted to pass or has done, such as closing down all American oil drilling and draining our reserves without any plans for replacement increasing spending not wanting to balance the budget or degrece spending when the governemnt is bankrupt and instead borrow more money which to pay its debts,, is what is destroying the governemnt.The liberals who got the free trade agreements with China and south america destroyed this country by driving out all our manufacturing and industry with the help the labour unions, also run by liberals, who got really greedy and demand more and more for less and less in return. Our horrible educational system but that isn't the liberals fault that is bad because of how the system is run. The GOP didn't refuse to incease the governemnt revenue. They agreed to that. They wanted to cut spending and lower taxes on buissness, because we need buissness to create jobs. They claim it was only a raise on taxs for the extreamly wealthy but small buissness also fall into the income bracket that get the tax hike. This makes it so people can not hire. Small buissness go under. Raising the buissness tax actually has the reverse effect and pushes more of our jobs out, which creats less revenue. They GOP wanted to cut spending which the liberals refused to do. I do disagee with the Bush conservatives. Bush really screwed things up and opened the door for Obama to screw it up more but despite how the media tries to spin it, Obama even denies our credit rating went down, Obama has trippled government spending from what Bush did. The liberals progressive agenda is actualy what is destroying us. The GOP didn't refuse any agreement that the liberals already came up with. The liberals refused any agreement that would cut spending and soley wanted to raise taxes on the very groups that create jobs and revenue for the people and goverment and raise the amount of money they could borrow. That is why the credit rating went down. Because the liberals refused to cut spending and only raised the cap on what they could borrow. Basically they decided to borrow more money in order to pay back money they owe already. That is like paying a credit card with a credit card but the second credit card get to pay the first the interest rate will be much higher. As now.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:32 am

Alyakia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Hooray, personal attacks!

You said if it was spending cuts, we would be downgraded 2 years ago. Reality check. 2 years ago, the debt level was trillions lower.

btw thank you for showing me the real numbers of these "supposed" spending cuts and where they have happened they were very helpful

Look them up yourself. Jesus, it's common knowledge that government counts spending that is less than projected, a spending cut, even if it's actually more than the previous year.

And that's all this deal has done. Slow the growth of spending.
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Postby Hellenic Protectorates » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:32 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

I don't know where you get this shit from. But Fox, is far more open minded than any liberal media.

He gets it from the GroupThink network.

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Postby Hellenic Protectorates » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:33 am

MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:
Techocracy101010 wrote:Recently I have gotten the feeling that the far right is trying to wreak the USA I mean they started 2 wars in the middle east over non existent WMDs ( nuclear weapons ) they deregulated the bank . And got us down graded to a double AA rating . Because of their refusal to allow for increases in government revenue. Their stupidity never ceases to amaze me. I have been called a gun hating liberal( I belong to a rifle club) I have been told I hate freedom ( yes that Is why I am against the patriot act. Because I totally want to be wire tapped) . I have been told that I like terrorist ( one of my best friends dad died in 9/11 ) .
I mean the conservative party seems to have lost it's freaking mind even if a democrat suggest a plan that the conservatives suggested years earlier they won't agree . Think about the danger that this insanity poses to all of us . It could lead to Americas down fall.
This type of thinking that the right embraces is insanity . Which is harmful to all.



Actually I think it is the liberal progressives trying to destory the US in order to push their communist agenda. After all to turn a country communist one law at a time you have to destroy the industry, manufacturing mainly, put more poeple on welefare and dependent on the government first. Once people depend on the government for things like food and health care the government then has complete control. Every law Obama has attempted to pass or has done, such as closing down all American oil drilling and draining our reserves without any plans for replacement increasing spending not wanting to balance the budget or degrece spending when the governemnt is bankrupt and instead borrow more money which to pay its debts,, is what is destroying the governemnt.The liberals who got the free trade agreements with China and south america destroyed this country by driving out all our manufacturing and industry with the help the labour unions, also run by liberals, who got really greedy and demand more and more for less and less in return. Our horrible educational system but that isn't the liberals fault that is bad because of how the system is run. The GOP didn't refuse to incease the governemnt revenue. They agreed to that. They wanted to cut spending and lower taxes on buissness, because we need buissness to create jobs. They claim it was only a raise on taxs for the extreamly wealthy but small buissness also fall into the income bracket that get the tax hike. This makes it so people can not hire. Small buissness go under. Raising the buissness tax actually has the reverse effect and pushes more of our jobs out, which creats less revenue. They GOP wanted to cut spending which the liberals refused to do. I do disagee with the Bush conservatives. Bush really screwed things up and opened the door for Obama to screw it up more but despite how the media tries to spin it, Obama even denies our credit rating went down, Obama has trippled government spending from what Bush did. The liberals progressive agenda is actualy what is destroying us. The GOP didn't refuse any agreement that the liberals already came up with. The liberals refused any agreement that would cut spending and soley wanted to raise taxes on the very groups that create jobs and revenue for the people and goverment and raise the amount of money they could borrow. That is why the credit rating went down. Because the liberals refused to cut spending and only raised the cap on what they could borrow. Basically they decided to borrow more money in order to pay back money they owe already. That is like paying a credit card with a credit card but the second credit card get to pay the first the interest rate will be much higher. As now.


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Postby Alyakia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:34 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Alyakia wrote:btw thank you for showing me the real numbers of these "supposed" spending cuts and where they have happened they were very helpful

Look them up yourself. Jesus, it's common knowledge that government counts spending that is less than projected, a spending cut, even if it's actually more than the previous year.

And that's all this deal has done. Slow the growth of spending.

You can't say "it's like this but wiht bigger numbers" then not actually give the bigger numbers. It's kinda lazy. And where exactly am I supposed to start looking?
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:34 am

Hellenic Protectorates wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:I don't know where you get this shit from. But Fox, is far more open minded than any liberal media.

He gets it from the GroupThink network.

Never heard of it, and I don't think I do.
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Postby MorrighanaWarGoddess » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:34 am

Valrez wrote:Here's the general view on the Tea-Party by liberals:

1. Liberals claim that the Tea-Party has hijacked the nation.

2. Liberals claim that the Tea-Party has no chance of winning the 2012 elections.

3. They also claim that the Tea-Party is worsening the economy....

Here's what I don't get about liberal and their view on the Tea-Party:

1. If 2nd is correct then how can they hijack the nation?

2. If the 1st is correct then how can the Tea-Party not win the 2012 elections?

3. How can the Tea-Party be worsening the economy if they promote spending cuts, are for a better tax system (i.e: flat tax, fair tax, etc.), and against huge government spending, against the 14-15 trillion dollar debt, and against corporatism?


Hey I wish I would of read this before my post. It is kind of what I said only simplier.

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:35 am

Alyakia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Look them up yourself. Jesus, it's common knowledge that government counts spending that is less than projected, a spending cut, even if it's actually more than the previous year.

And that's all this deal has done. Slow the growth of spending.

You can't say "it's like this but wiht bigger numbers" then not actually give the bigger numbers. It's kinda lazy. And where exactly am I supposed to start looking?

Try Google.

Are you actually denying the structure of any government spending cuts?
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Postby Hellenic Protectorates » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:35 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Hellenic Protectorates wrote:He gets it from the GroupThink network.

Never heard of it, and I don't think I do.

That was mostly a joke. The liberal media can be essentially considered "GroupThink Network". It's literally pervasive.

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MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:
Techocracy101010 wrote:Recently I have gotten the feeling that the far right is trying to wreak the USA I mean they started 2 wars in the middle east over non existent WMDs ( nuclear weapons ) they deregulated the bank . And got us down graded to a double AA rating . Because of their refusal to allow for increases in government revenue. Their stupidity never ceases to amaze me. I have been called a gun hating liberal( I belong to a rifle club) I have been told I hate freedom ( yes that Is why I am against the patriot act. Because I totally want to be wire tapped) . I have been told that I like terrorist ( one of my best friends dad died in 9/11 ) .
I mean the conservative party seems to have lost it's freaking mind even if a democrat suggest a plan that the conservatives suggested years earlier they won't agree . Think about the danger that this insanity poses to all of us . It could lead to Americas down fall.
This type of thinking that the right embraces is insanity . Which is harmful to all.



Actually I think it is the liberal progressives trying to destory the US in order to push their communist agenda. After all to turn a country communist one law at a time you have to destroy the industry, manufacturing mainly, put more poeple on welefare and dependent on the government first. Once people depend on the government for things like food and health care the government then has complete control. Every law Obama has attempted to pass or has done, such as closing down all American oil drilling and draining our reserves without any plans for replacement increasing spending not wanting to balance the budget or degrece spending when the governemnt is bankrupt and instead borrow more money which to pay its debts,, is what is destroying the governemnt.The liberals who got the free trade agreements with China and south america destroyed this country by driving out all our manufacturing and industry with the help the labour unions, also run by liberals, who got really greedy and demand more and more for less and less in return. Our horrible educational system but that isn't the liberals fault that is bad because of how the system is run. The GOP didn't refuse to incease the governemnt revenue. They agreed to that. They wanted to cut spending and lower taxes on buissness, because we need buissness to create jobs. They claim it was only a raise on taxs for the extreamly wealthy but small buissness also fall into the income bracket that get the tax hike. This makes it so people can not hire. Small buissness go under. Raising the buissness tax actually has the reverse effect and pushes more of our jobs out, which creats less revenue. They GOP wanted to cut spending which the liberals refused to do. I do disagee with the Bush conservatives. Bush really screwed things up and opened the door for Obama to screw it up more but despite how the media tries to spin it, Obama even denies our credit rating went down, Obama has trippled government spending from what Bush did. The liberals progressive agenda is actualy what is destroying us. The GOP didn't refuse any agreement that the liberals already came up with. The liberals refused any agreement that would cut spending and soley wanted to raise taxes on the very groups that create jobs and revenue for the people and goverment and raise the amount of money they could borrow. That is why the credit rating went down. Because the liberals refused to cut spending and only raised the cap on what they could borrow. Basically they decided to borrow more money in order to pay back money they owe already. That is like paying a credit card with a credit card but the second credit card get to pay the first the interest rate will be much higher. As now.

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Postby Hellenic Protectorates » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:37 am

Norstal wrote:
MorrighanaWarGoddess wrote:

Actually I think it is the liberal progressives trying to destory the US in order to push their communist agenda. After all to turn a country communist one law at a time you have to destroy the industry, manufacturing mainly, put more poeple on welefare and dependent on the government first. Once people depend on the government for things like food and health care the government then has complete control. Every law Obama has attempted to pass or has done, such as closing down all American oil drilling and draining our reserves without any plans for replacement increasing spending not wanting to balance the budget or degrece spending when the governemnt is bankrupt and instead borrow more money which to pay its debts,, is what is destroying the governemnt.The liberals who got the free trade agreements with China and south america destroyed this country by driving out all our manufacturing and industry with the help the labour unions, also run by liberals, who got really greedy and demand more and more for less and less in return. Our horrible educational system but that isn't the liberals fault that is bad because of how the system is run. The GOP didn't refuse to incease the governemnt revenue. They agreed to that. They wanted to cut spending and lower taxes on buissness, because we need buissness to create jobs. They claim it was only a raise on taxs for the extreamly wealthy but small buissness also fall into the income bracket that get the tax hike. This makes it so people can not hire. Small buissness go under. Raising the buissness tax actually has the reverse effect and pushes more of our jobs out, which creats less revenue. They GOP wanted to cut spending which the liberals refused to do. I do disagee with the Bush conservatives. Bush really screwed things up and opened the door for Obama to screw it up more but despite how the media tries to spin it, Obama even denies our credit rating went down, Obama has trippled government spending from what Bush did. The liberals progressive agenda is actualy what is destroying us. The GOP didn't refuse any agreement that the liberals already came up with. The liberals refused any agreement that would cut spending and soley wanted to raise taxes on the very groups that create jobs and revenue for the people and goverment and raise the amount of money they could borrow. That is why the credit rating went down. Because the liberals refused to cut spending and only raised the cap on what they could borrow. Basically they decided to borrow more money in order to pay back money they owe already. That is like paying a credit card with a credit card but the second credit card get to pay the first the interest rate will be much higher. As now.

Yeah yeah liberals are evildoers. Where have I heard this one before? I think the two of you are really the same person in disguise.


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Postby Dagnia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:38 am

Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.


I agree, Fox is horrible, but nearly everything else in the US is worse. Just try to get any of the others to do a story on the forced unionization the administration is trying to impose on workers. I personally think Al-Jazeera and Russia Today are the world's best news agencies by far, and that says a lot.
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Sibirsky wrote:
Alyakia wrote:You can't say "it's like this but wiht bigger numbers" then not actually give the bigger numbers. It's kinda lazy. And where exactly am I supposed to start looking?

Try Google.

Are you actually denying the structure of any government spending cuts?

How about some places where it has happened that I can google for?

I've never seen it happen that I know of and you're clearly unwilling or unable to show me actual examples of it happening but it's totally common knowledge.
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Postby Orlkjestad » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:38 am

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Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.

I don't know where you get this shit from. But Fox, is far more open minded than any liberal media.

One example. Just one.
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Dagnia wrote:
Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.


I agree, Fox is horrible, but nearly everything else in the US is worse. Just try to get any of the others to do a story on the forced unionization the administration is trying to impose on workers. I personally think Al-Jazeera and Russia Today are the world's best news agencies by far, and that says a lot.

I too enjoy getting my news from Putin owned networks.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:39 am

Dagnia wrote:
Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.


I agree, Fox is horrible, but nearly everything else in the US is worse. Just try to get any of the others to do a story on the forced unionization the administration is trying to impose on workers. I personally think Al-Jazeera and Russia Today are the world's best news agencies by far, and that says a lot.


Russia today is okay, Al-Jazeera is a middle eastern circle jerk.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:39 am

Alyakia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Look them up yourself. Jesus, it's common knowledge that government counts spending that is less than projected, a spending cut, even if it's actually more than the previous year.

And that's all this deal has done. Slow the growth of spending.

You can't say "it's like this but wiht bigger numbers" then not actually give the bigger numbers. It's kinda lazy. And where exactly am I supposed to start looking?

Show me the cut. In normal people talk. As in, a spending cut means, you are spending less than you were spending before.
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Postby Orlkjestad » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:39 am

Dagnia wrote:
Orlkjestad wrote:FOX News? The one that regularly takes potshots at The Daily Show? The one that promotes bigotry and intolerance? The one that regularly practices ignorance at the facts? They're no better than state television in dictatorships.


I agree, Fox is horrible, but nearly everything else in the US is worse. Just try to get any of the others to do a story on the forced unionization the administration is trying to impose on workers. I personally think Al-Jazeera and Russia Today are the world's best news agencies by far, and that says a lot.

I watch CNN. And remember, CNN is international, not just national.
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Postby Alyakia » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:40 am

Hellenic Protectorates wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Never heard of it, and I don't think I do.

That was mostly a joke. The liberal media can be essentially considered "GroupThink Network". It's literally pervasive.

If I ask you to talk about the liberal media, what are the chances that you'll give me a network that is smaller than FOX and owned by General Electric?
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:40 am

Alyakia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Try Google.

Are you actually denying the structure of any government spending cuts?

How about some places where it has happened that I can google for?

I've never seen it happen that I know of and you're clearly unwilling or unable to show me actual examples of it happening but it's totally common knowledge.

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