Would you kill kill an intruder?

[Kreanoltha]

Of course, you can use the, "people who use lethal force to defend themselves are mindless killing machines who never use commonsense and have no compassion," strawman all day. You're still wrong.

You seem to have this idea that I intend to give him a chance to surrender.

These points seem to invalidate each other.

No. I just won't give an armed robber the chance to fight back. I'm not going to give him the chance to hurt me. That's just stupid.

[Kreanoltha]

Lol.

Yeah you do.

It isn't authoritarian, it's the law. You shot someone. You get slapped in handcuffs, taken down to the precinct, get your gun thrown in an evidence locker, get processed (ID'd, printed, etc.). They generally ask you to present a prelim report of what happened (ofc you answer "I'll need to talk with my lawyer/counsel" and don't tell them anything), you get to make a phone call, etc. etc.

Then you get to spend a bit of time in the jail, you know, that stuff. Then you get court dates, etc., you get to defend yourself against a jury of your peers because you know, you just shot someone.

This is how our justice system works.

It treats everyone the same.

I will not get arrested for shooting a man who is advancing towards me. I know how the legal system in my state works because I went to the trouble of getting a Texas Concealed Carry License, which requires me to know how to handle a situation and what will happen should the worst come to pass. I will not get arrested.

I will not get arrested.

I will very likely get sued.

I will not get arrested.

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Exactly. TS, you're wrong.

[Des-Bal]

No. I just won't give an armed robber the chance to fight back or get away. I'm not going to give him the chance to hurt me. That's just stupid.

And that is where you lose the protections of castle laws and cross over into War Crime territory.

[Norstal]

These points seem to invalidate each other.

No. I just won't give an armed robber the chance to fight back or get away. I'm not going to give him the chance to hurt me. That's just stupid.

Because striking fear into someone, letting them surrender, and letting them go will hurt you?

Man, you're like the opposite of Jesus.

[Horsefish]

No. I just won't give an armed robber the chance to fight back or get away. I'm not going to give him the chance to hurt me. That's just stupid.

No, saying you wont give him a chance to surrender shows you want to kill him. If someone has their back to you and you shoot him with no warning it's murder. If you say stop or shout a warning and he says he's putting down his weapon or otherwise follows your instuctions why shoot him?

Of course, if he doesn't comply and runs suddenly or turns towards you with his weapon then thats understandable.

[Kreanoltha]

No. I just won't give an armed robber the chance to fight back or get away. I'm not going to give him the chance to hurt me. That's just stupid.

And that is where you lose the protections of castle laws and cross over into War Crime territory.

I may have stated that point incorrectly.

[Kreanoltha]

No. I just won't give an armed robber the chance to fight back or get away. I'm not going to give him the chance to hurt me. That's just stupid.

No, saying you wont give him a chance to surrender shows you want to kill him. If someone has their back to you and you shoot him with no warning it's murder. If you say stop or shout a warning and he says he's putting down his weapon or otherwise follows your instuctions why shoot him?

Of course, if he doesn't comply and runs suddenly or turns towards you with his weapon then thats understandable.

That's more or less what I meant, but under castle law you don't have to provide any warning. You just drop the target.

[Vigilantes And Knights]

I would only kill if I knew he meant harm. Otherwise, I'd pull out my 1911 and tac-light and give him a good solid warning to not come back here. But if he had the intention of harming, I'd drop him in a second.

Being a marine, I've learned that there are things a man should and should not die for. It's not worth dying trying to take a man's silverware. But raping or killing? That I cannot stand for.

[Des-Bal]

That's more or less what I meant, but under castle law you don't have to provide any warning. You just drop the target.

But if they are trying to surrender or escape you do not shoot them.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

I will not get arrested for shooting a man who is advancing towards me. I know how the legal system in my state works because I went to the trouble of getting a Texas Concealed Carry License, which requires me to know how to handle a situation and what will happen should the worst come to pass. I will not get arrested.

I will not get arrested.

I will very likely get sued.

I will not get arrested.

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Exactly. TS, you're wrong.

Cite the law that states this, for Texas.

Please.

[Greater Herzegovina]

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

[Horsefish]

That's more or less what I meant, but under castle law you don't have to provide any warning. You just drop the target.

Bit extreme.

I mean, I can understand shooting him if he's a risk but if he is unaware you are there then you shoot him it's not really self defence. It's murder.

[Free Flaria]

Honestly, I would kill him on the spot just for the fact that he entered my domain without my permission.

[Esokland]

I have been ripped off one time too many the sob I do catch ripping me is going to relize he is paying for every thing I have lost in the past he is going to beg me to let my dog chew his as== up he has a knife in his hand and wont have a chance to think about using it before the flash of my pocket cannon goes off

[Separatist Peoples]

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

Yeah. Easily.

[Free Flaria]

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

Yes, yes I could. In fact, I could live with knowing I enjoyed it.

[Horsefish]

Honestly, I would kill him on the spot just for the fact that he entered my domain without my permission.

I have been ripped off one time too many the sob I do catch ripping me is going to relize he is paying for every thing I have lost in the past he is going to beg me to let my dog chew his as== up he has a knife in his hand and wont have a chance to think about using it before the flash of my pocket cannon goes off

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

Yeah. Easily.

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

Yes, yes I could.

ITG brigade.

[Separatist Peoples]

That's more or less what I meant, but under castle law you don't have to provide any warning. You just drop the target.

Bit extreme.

I mean, I can understand shooting him if he's a risk but if he is unaware you are there then you shoot him it's not really self defence. It's murder.

The law recognizes it as self defense if he is in your home, so clearly it isn't murder.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

Yeah. Easily.

lol itg

[Des-Bal]

Bit extreme.

I mean, I can understand shooting him if he's a risk but if he is unaware you are there then you shoot him it's not really self defence. It's murder.

He's right actually, that's exactly how I'd do it. Most Castle Laws absolve you of the responsibility to declare your intention to use lethal force.

[Wikkiwallana]

I was actually thinking about this the other day, and wondering this: just what percentage of breaking and entering is done while the residents are home? How is having a gun going to stop someone who waits until the house is empty? Why are you defending guns with a scenario that assumes all or at least most burglars are too stupid to wait for people to go to work, on vacation, at a funeral, or pretty much use any sense at all besides "guns are dangerous".

derp derp because guns can be used for more than killing

owning a gun does not mean you intend to shoot everyone who comes in your house

Not what I asked. I questioned the relevance of the hypothetical, not the worth of guns.

[Vigilantes And Knights]

Weapons are not dangerous for the intruder, they're dangerous for you!
Just ask yourself, could you live with the fact that you killed someone?

I've killed many men in my time. I remember their faces, but I can live with the fact I killed them.
The question is, who is smarter? You, or your opponent? Which can handle the situation more.

[Separatist Peoples]

Honestly, I would kill him on the spot just for the fact that he entered my domain without my permission.

I have been ripped off one time too many the sob I do catch ripping me is going to relize he is paying for every thing I have lost in the past he is going to beg me to let my dog chew his as== up he has a knife in his hand and wont have a chance to think about using it before the flash of my pocket cannon goes off

Yeah. Easily.

Yes, yes I could.

ITG brigade.

Its not nearly so hard when you've seen people die before. I deal with that all the time. Injuries sustained at vehicle accidents and structure fires are a whole lot worse then gunshot wounds.

[Horsefish]

The law recognizes it as self defense if he is in your home, so clearly it isn't murder.

Your law does. My country doesn't and as an individual I don't. Shooting someone without giving them a chance to surrender without any danger to yourself is completely diffrent from killing soemone walking towards you/threatening you with a knife.

[Kreanoltha]

That's more or less what I meant, but under castle law you don't have to provide any warning. You just drop the target.

But if they are trying to surrender or escape you do not shoot them.

Well, yes. I wouldn't like it, but I'd do it. I wouldn't shoot in the back, but that's about it. If I don't have to alert him I won't. Also, to the quote asking if I could live with killing someone: Yes. I'd sleep like a baby.