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would you shoot to kill?

Yes
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Id shoot him in a limb
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Id hide and wait till he leaves
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other
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:55 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Norstal wrote:That'd be a pretty stupid justice system where the court just takes a person's word for it.


Who can say otherwise? The guy who got shot during the commission of a crime? He's a losing combination of uncredible and dead.

Yeah, I wouldn't be suspicious if there's dead guy inside someone's home or anything. You're probably right.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:55 pm

Why in the name Zeus would you let a thief walk out the door if he was no longer a threat? This POS poor excuse drain on O2 levels has already proven he has the capacity to break the law by illegally gaining entrance to a dwelling let alone trespass on private property. By allowing the perp to escape will only embolden him to move on to his next intended victim, congratulations you just allowed your neighbor to get robbed or worse killed all because you couldn't be bothered with either killing the perp or detaining him.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:56 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
Please refer to:





Again, according to castle laws as long as it is justified you don't go to prison.


Yeah.

You'll get arrested, handcuffed, and taken to jail until court appearance. You shot someone.

Now you get to prove it was in self-defence.


You're just wrong. You don't go to jail unless there is compelling evidence that you did not act in selfdefence. You don't get taken to jail if it looks like selfdefence.
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Postby Geniasis » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:56 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
Please refer to:





Again, according to castle laws as long as it is justified you don't go to prison.


....

Is this supposed to change how I feel about preferring to live next to a burglar than to you?


You might not be that bad off living next to a burglar. Depends on how feels about the whole "don't shit where you eat" thing.
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Postby Valrez » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:57 pm

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Even if he was killing you?
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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:57 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
Please refer to:





Again, according to castle laws as long as it is justified you don't go to prison.


....

Is this supposed to change how I feel about preferring to live next to a burglar than to you?


You aren't in any danger unless you break into my home.
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Postby Vecherd » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:57 pm

If I know myself right I assume I would scream at him while I shot him several times in the groin area. :blink:
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Postby The Warrior Hearted » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:57 pm

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:57 pm

Lessnt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:If he's being sly, then he wouldn't be acting in the, "Oh shit, there's a gun in face," moment.

unless he knew he was a damn fast shot.

Nah, jerk movements are the ones that would get him shot. You can't draw, aim, shoot and hit faster than someone with a gun trained on your can shoot you, and even if you can, then you wouldn't burglarizing shit for living.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:57 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Yeah.

You'll get arrested, handcuffed, and taken to jail until court appearance. You shot someone.

Now you get to prove it was in self-defence.


You're just wrong. You don't go to jail unless there is compelling evidence that you did not act in selfdefence. You don't get taken to jail if it looks like selfdefence.


Dude.

You get arrested.

You get to spend a few nights in jail until the police compile evidence for a court case.

Then you get your gun back and go to court, and get to prove you shot someone in self-defence.

FFS police do not go by "what it looks like", they go by "what it is", and they will find out if you'd shot someone before he could react.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:58 pm

Vecherd wrote:If I know myself right I assume I would scream at him while I shot him several times in the groin area. :blink:


Well, that's a form of deterrence, sure enough.

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Postby The Warrior Hearted » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:58 pm

Vecherd wrote:If I know myself right I assume I would scream at him while I shot him several times in the groin area. :blink:

that sounds like a very painful way to die :blink:
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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:58 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Why in the name Zeus would you let a thief walk out the door if he was no longer a threat? This POS poor excuse drain on O2 levels has already proven he has the capacity to break the law by illegally gaining entrance to a dwelling let alone trespass on private property. By allowing the perp to escape will only embolden him to move on to his next intended victim, congratulations you just allowed your neighbor to get robbed or worse killed all because you couldn't be bothered with either killing the perp or detaining him.

Or it would scare him shitless from ever doing it again.

Clearly, you suck at psychology. I don't understand why you'd even attempt at it.
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Postby Geniasis » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:58 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Why in the name Zeus would you let a thief walk out the door if he was no longer a threat? This POS poor excuse drain on O2 levels has already proven he has the capacity to break the law by illegally gaining entrance to a dwelling let alone trespass on private property. By allowing the perp to escape will only embolden him to move on to his next intended victim, congratulations you just allowed your neighbor to get robbed or worse killed all because you couldn't be bothered with either killing the perp or detaining him.


I'm supposed to feel guilty because I didn't kill someone?

...

Yeah, not feeling it.
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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:58 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Why in the name Zeus would you let a thief walk out the door if he was no longer a threat? This POS poor excuse drain on O2 levels has already proven he has the capacity to break the law by illegally gaining entrance to a dwelling let alone trespass on private property. By allowing the perp to escape will only embolden him to move on to his next intended victim, congratulations you just allowed your neighbor to get robbed or worse killed all because you couldn't be bothered with either killing the perp or detaining him.


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:59 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
You're just wrong. You don't go to jail unless there is compelling evidence that you did not act in selfdefence. You don't get taken to jail if it looks like selfdefence.


Dude.

You get arrested.

You get to spend a few nights in jail until the police compile evidence for a court case.

Then you get your gun back and go to court, and get to prove you shot someone in self-defence.

FFS.


No.

You are free to go unless there is compelling evidence that it was not self defense. The police can always detain you later. If the immediate evidence points to self defense, they will not lock you up. At all.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:59 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Norstal wrote:That'd be a pretty stupid justice system where the court just takes a person's word for it.


Who can say otherwise? The guy who got shot during the commission of a crime? He's a losing combination of uncredible and dead.

That's what crime scene investigators are for. They may not have access to magical TV technology, but they could take the question of your word vs the dead guy out of the picture.

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Postby Godular » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:59 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
You're just wrong. You don't go to jail unless there is compelling evidence that you did not act in selfdefence. You don't get taken to jail if it looks like selfdefence.


Dude.

You get arrested.

You get to spend a few nights in jail until the police compile evidence for a court case.

Then you get your gun back and go to court, and get to prove you shot someone in self-defence.

FFS.


Again. Home defense is always self-defense unless perp has bullet holes in his back. You will not get arrested if the dude is lying in front of you with a bunch of bullet holes in his chest and a knife in his hand.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:59 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Why in the name Zeus would you let a thief walk out the door if he was no longer a threat? This POS poor excuse drain on O2 levels has already proven he has the capacity to break the law by illegally gaining entrance to a dwelling let alone trespass on private property. By allowing the perp to escape will only embolden him to move on to his next intended victim, congratulations you just allowed your neighbor to get robbed or worse killed all because you couldn't be bothered with either killing the perp or detaining him.


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Shoot someone and see if you're still saying that.
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Postby Horsefish » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:59 pm

I don't think I could shoot someone who wasn't actully endangering me. If he froze when you told him to and followed your instructions then why shoot him? Hll, even if he jumped out of the window and legged it I don't think I could shoot him.

(assuming I now own a gun despite my stance of gun control but still)
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:59 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
....

Is this supposed to change how I feel about preferring to live next to a burglar than to you?


You aren't in any danger unless you break into my home.

You hold human life cheap. You're more likely to get in some sort of gunfight that puts me in jeopardy. Moreover, you're more likely to kill me over some perceived slight.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:00 pm

Geniasis wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
....

Is this supposed to change how I feel about preferring to live next to a burglar than to you?


You might not be that bad off living next to a burglar. Depends on how feels about the whole "don't shit where you eat" thing.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:00 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
You're just wrong. You don't go to jail unless there is compelling evidence that you did not act in selfdefence. You don't get taken to jail if it looks like selfdefence.


Dude.

You get arrested.

You get to spend a few nights in jail until the police compile evidence for a court case.

Then you get your gun back and go to court, and get to prove you shot someone in self-defence.

FFS police do not go by "what it looks like", they go by "what it is", and they will find out if you'd shot someone before he could react.


They. Do. Not. Fucking. Arrest. People. For. Selfdefense! Maybe in Canada, but not in the US.
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:01 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Lessnt wrote:unless he knew he was a damn fast shot.

Nah, jerk movements are the ones that would get him shot. You can't draw, aim, shoot and hit faster than someone with a gun trained on your can shoot you, and even if you can, then you wouldn't burglarizing shit for living.

That really really depends on the person.
Again you really cannot assume to know how everyone is gonna react.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:02 pm

Godular wrote:
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Dude.

You get arrested.

You get to spend a few nights in jail until the police compile evidence for a court case.

Then you get your gun back and go to court, and get to prove you shot someone in self-defence.

FFS.


Again. Home defense is always self-defense unless perp has bullet holes in his back. You will not get arrested if the dude is lying in front of you with a bunch of bullet holes in his chest and a knife in his hand.

What if the person was walking backwards after surrendering?
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