Would you kill kill an intruder?

[Geniasis]

Though, you'd have to be some kind of master marksman to reliably be able to shoot someone non-lethally. Such is my understanding, at least.

I do hope that if you plan to own a gun, you go to a shooting range and practice.

"Shooting to wound" isn't even a thing, really.

[Des-Bal]

Though, you'd have to be some kind of master marksman to reliably be able to shoot someone non-lethally. Such is my understanding, at least.

I do hope that if you plan to own a gun, you go to a shooting range and practice.

That's not the issue, where exactly do you think the part of your body is that is totally fine getting shot?

[Norstal]

In regards to shooting to wound. You don't do it. You run the risk of missing and harming others in your wild firing. The rule is shoot to stop. The difference between shoot to kill is that you are only shooting enough to remove the opponent as a threat. If he's dead, so be it, if he turns and runs away, he stops being a threat and firing into his back turns your home defense effort into a manslaughter charge.

Yeah, that I approve. I guess shooting to wound is harder than just shooting to eliminate threat.

[Godular]

I would not restrain him. I would simply tell him that if he gets up, he will be a threat, and a threat will be dealt with. As I said, if he runs rather than hits the floor, I'll put a couple rounds in his tires or let him disappear over the fences. The whole point of the situation is to not let him get a chance to disarm YOU. if that happens, you're dead.

If I tell him to turn and run, and he does, he's not really going to be able to disable me, is he?

He's not going to be able to disable you if you tell him to throw the weapon away and lie on the ground either. At that point the whole issue is staying out of his arms reach with the gun firmly trained on him. If he gets up, pop.

[Ifreann]

Though, you'd have to be some kind of master marksman to reliably be able to shoot someone non-lethally. Such is my understanding, at least.

A foot shot ain't hard.

Feet are small, and tend to move.

[Separatist Peoples]

I know. Thats what I would do. Thats why I said it. I will never have to deal with a "surrendering" thief. I will only have to deal with a dead thief, or a thief that manages to kill me.

I can't wait until someone sues you for murder...

Well, where I live, that won't ever happen. The Castle Doctrine in PA states that not only do you not have to give warning or retreat, you can use lethal force anywhere that it can be proven to be justified. My home, my car, the city streets. Anywhere. So I'm safe.

[Des-Bal]

I can't wait until someone sues you for murder...

YOU DON'T SUE PEOPLE FOR MURDER! Also if he's protected by castle laws he can shoot a person without demanding they surrender.

[Geniasis]

He's not going to be able to disable you if you tell him to throw the weapon away and lie on the ground either. At that point the whole issue is staying out of his arms reach with the gun firmly trained on him. If he gets up, pop.

And if I call, he might try and wait for an opening. All the safer to just not have him in the proximity at all.

[Lessnt]

I can't wait until someone sues you for murder...

YOU DON'T SUE PEOPLE FOR MURDER! Also if he's protected by castle laws he can shoot a person without demanding they surrender.

The family can sue.

[Kardelia]

I said don't cross my yard you f*BLEEP*g neighbour!

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[Seperates]

It's like talking with paranoid schizophrenic...

*twitchs* But... the egg salad has a knife and the butter of peanuts *twitch* The aliens are coming for the Second coming of Jesus. Seriously, if criminals were that smart, would they have to resort to crime?

What? Intelligence has little to do with crime. Intelligent criminals exist all over the place. Besides, that doesn't even make sense. The concern for one's safety does not make one insecure. That has nothing to do with intelligence.

Overconcern for one's safety makes one insecure. A real man does not need to take revenge, and a real man would let the guy go. Scared him shitless, maybe even the police will catch him. I do not need blood for my stuff. Unless he is being erratic and/or threatening you or your families life, there is no need for senseless bloodshed.

Sounds like you guys get off on the violence of it.

[Kreanoltha]

They're also effective weapons in skilled hands.

Yeah, so is a crowbar.

Yes. If' he's holding something I'll assume it's a weapon and kill him.

I can not safely assume his skill with a knife so I must assume that he is a master.

He might also be a master of Rex Kwon Do, so what?

So he's a threat.

Well he's already harmed me by breaking into my home and entering.

No he hasn't, he's harmed your property. There's a difference.

No. Not in states that have laws allowing the defense of property and home. It's the same difference.

Therefore, it's a threat to me no matter what. I can't safely assume to know what he'll do if he sees me.

Not much if you're pointing a gun at him and asking him to leave.

Why the fuck would I ask him to leave? I'd make it nice and neat and blow his head off. I'll let the cops prove I didn't announce intent. And what's to say he won't attack me for having seen his face?

[The Parkus Empire]

Why would he use it?

You never know how people will react to a gun pointed at them.

No, but you can be pretty certain that your bullet could reach him before he pulled anything, and similarly certain that he knew this.

[Mushet]

Kill for gain or shoot to maim
We don't need a reason

I'd just point the gun and shoot, see what happens

Or I could just give him a big hug, if that doesn't catch him offguard I don't know what will

[Separatist Peoples]

YOU DON'T SUE PEOPLE FOR MURDER! Also if he's protected by castle laws he can shoot a person without demanding they surrender.

The family can sue.

They can try. If he is dead, there are no medical bills to pay, and since I shot him in self defense, the odds of that not getting tossed out are slim.

[Des-Bal]

The family can sue.

Murder isn't a tort. You can't sue for murder.

[Seperates]

I can't wait until someone sues you for murder...

Well, where I live, that won't ever happen. The Castle Doctrine in PA states that not only do you not have to give warning or retreat, you can use lethal force anywhere that it can be proven to be justified. My home, my car, the city streets. Anywhere. So I'm safe.

IF IT CAN BE PROVEN JUSTIFIED.

Key words there.

[Kreanoltha]

I know. Thats what I would do. Thats why I said it. I will never have to deal with a "surrendering" thief. I will only have to deal with a dead thief, or a thief that manages to kill me.

I can't wait until someone sues you for murder...

Again: it is legal to shoot intruders. You won't get sued or arrested for anything.

[Lessnt]

You never know how people will react to a gun pointed at them.

No, but you can be pretty certain that your bullet could reach him before he pulled anything, and similarly certain that he knew this.

Unless he had a hidden gun.
And he thought he was sly and could pull it out and kill me before I could hit him.

[Godular]

He's not going to be able to disable you if you tell him to throw the weapon away and lie on the ground either. At that point the whole issue is staying out of his arms reach with the gun firmly trained on him. If he gets up, pop.

And if I call, he might try and wait for an opening. All the safer to just not have him in the proximity at all.

If ya have a clear bead out the door, put a round in the lawn if you're paranoid about not being able to call police with a potential threat on the floor. Pretty damn sure it'll wake somebody up, and a bullet don't ricochet off dirt.

[Ifreann]

Though, you'd have to be some kind of master marksman to reliably be able to shoot someone non-lethally. Such is my understanding, at least.

I do hope that if you plan to own a gun, you go to a shooting range and practice.

Practising doesn't always make you that good.

[Separatist Peoples]

Well, where I live, that won't ever happen. The Castle Doctrine in PA states that not only do you not have to give warning or retreat, you can use lethal force anywhere that it can be proven to be justified. My home, my car, the city streets. Anywhere. So I'm safe.

IF IT CAN BE PROVEN JUSTIFIED.

Key words there.

In PA, thats pretty damn simple. If he is in your home, thats justified. If he is armed, thats justified. If you shoot a man in the front on a city street, and you can prove there was an attempted mugging, the law is going to be on your side. I had this conversation at length with my neighbor, a PA State Trooper. He explained to me all the ways one can be protected by the Castle Doctrine.

[Kreanoltha]

Well, where I live, that won't ever happen. The Castle Doctrine in PA states that not only do you not have to give warning or retreat, you can use lethal force anywhere that it can be proven to be justified. My home, my car, the city streets. Anywhere. So I'm safe.

IF IT CAN BE PROVEN JUSTIFIED.

Key words there.

The defendant: I saw a man in my home at night whom I did not recognize. He appeared to be armed, and he was rummaging threw my belongings. I shot him.

It has been proven to be justified.

[Des-Bal]

If ya have a clear bead out the door, put a round in the lawn if you're paranoid about not being able to call police with a potential threat on the floor. Pretty damn sure it'll wake somebody up, and a bullet don't ricochet off dirt.

Where do you live that gunshots in the middle of the night bother people?

[The Parkus Empire]

Yeah, so is a crowbar.

Yes. If' he's holding something I'll assume it's a weapon and kill him.

He might also be a master of Rex Kwon Do, so what?

So he's a threat.

No he hasn't, he's harmed your property. There's a difference.

No. Not in states that have laws allowing the defense of property and home. It's the same difference.

Not much if you're pointing a gun at him and asking him to leave.

Why the fuck would I ask him to leave? I'd make it nice and neat and blow his head off. I'll let the cops prove I didn't announce intent. And what's to say he won't attack me for having seen his face?

Any burglar that concerned about his face being seen, wears a fucking mask.

Suffice it to say, you would shoot people without decent justification, and I'd safer living next door to a burglar than to you.