Would you kill kill an intruder?

[Geniasis]

In this given scenario there is an armed robber inside your house. Not an isolated corner of your property, shoot to kill.

The robber has a knife, not a gun, and thus doesn't pose as much a threat as you do to him. Threaten with the gun, if he doesn't surrender, shoot him in the leg.

Which will probably kill him if it hits an artery or he doesn't get immediate medical attention. Really the only thing you accomplish is aiming for a place that's a bit harder to target.

Shooting to wound, as if. You don't fire a gun unless you mean to kill. Or you're an idiot.

[Seperates]

The robber has a knife, not a gun, and thus doesn't pose as much a threat as you do to him. Threaten with the gun, if he doesn't surrender, shoot him in the leg.

Which will probably kill him if it hits an artery or he doesn't get immediate medical attention. Really the only thing you accomplish is aiming for a place that's a bit harder to target.

Shooting to wound, as if. You don't fire a gun unless you mean to kill. Or you're an idiot.

Exactly.

[Stattr]

Not if they don't aim for the chest.

We are talking about vests.....
There is riot gear that covers you in armor from head to toe.

...but their are weak points in those....

[Kreanoltha]

I don't see anything psychotic about it. He violated my home. My family's home. You can't replace a sense of security once it's been taken. A little revenge helps though. Shooting him wouldn't be revenge. It would just be protection.

Yes....sense of security.
Not a single time has where I have lived been burglarized.
I feel DAMN safe.

Yes, and when you are burglarized it's shattered. So go ahead and kill him. And for the record I wouldn't give him the chance to surrender. I'd just say, "I'm going to shoot you if you don't leave." and then shoot him as soon as the words were out of my mouth. That's assuming I live in a state where I am required to announce intent. If I'm not I'd just shoot him. Why let him know I'm there?

[Seperates]

Yes....sense of security.
Not a single time has where I have lived been burglarized.
I feel DAMN safe.

Yes, and when you are burglarized it's shattered. So go ahead and kill him. And for the record I wouldn't give him the chance to surrender. I'd just say, "I'm going to shoot you if you don't leave." and then shoot him as soon as the words were out of my mouth. That's assuming I live in a state where I am required to announce intent. If I'm not I'd just shoot him. Why let him know I'm there?

See, psychotic? Life is not a movie.

Also, you shooting him makes you no better than him, and means that you have forfieted your rights to human-hood, if you believe that he has as well.

[-Hawaii-]

Yes....sense of security.
Not a single time has where I have lived been burglarized.
I feel DAMN safe.

Yes, and when you are burglarized it's shattered. So go ahead and kill him. And for the record I wouldn't give him the chance to surrender. I'd just say, "I'm going to shoot you if you don't leave." and then shoot him as soon as the words were out of my mouth. That's assuming I live in a state where I am required to announce intent. If I'm not I'd just shoot him. Why let him know I'm there?

Breaking into your home with they intent to steal your material wealth is no reason to prolong the person's suffering after he's been caught. He is a human being. And so are you.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

Police take knives more seriously than firearms.

By the time it takes the average police officer to draw, aim, and fire his pistol (roughly 3 seconds), an average suspect can cover over 20 feet with a knife.

Ballistic vests are also useless against knives.

On the other hand, handguns are even more effective in close combat than knives, counterintuitively.

Shooting someone is like stabbing them, but with bullets. And faster. The main point being that you can shoot someone three to four times for every stab, and you can start doing it from a distance. With a strike plate, even squishing against the gun will do the opponent no good.

The 21 foot rule is really only there to remind people to not underestimate a knife wielder. Otherwise, moving backwards and keeping the attacker at a distance with the off-hand will give the shooter more than enough time to riddle him with boolets.

Knives are better than handguns in close combat. That's why the bayonet rules in military circles (except the US military, which is retarded anyways so it doesn't matter) over the handgun, which is just a backup in case you lose your service rifle somehow.

Knives can go through ballistic vests better than bullets, and are a lot harder to treat than a bullet wound for any doctor, unless you're using JHPs or some shit.

And anyone who spells bullets as "boolit" or "boolet" is a hipster, tbh.

Police take knives more seriously than firearms.

By the time it takes the average police officer to draw, aim, and fire his pistol (roughly 3 seconds), an average suspect can cover over 20 feet with a knife.

Ballistic vests are also useless against knives.

really....

hm...

why?

A knife concentrates energy on a much smaller area than a bullet and it doesn't tend to expand (as much, the expansion would need a microscope to measure), unlike bullets, and because of the former it takes less energy to penetrate the vest, either sliding between fibres, or breaking them.

[Wikkiwallana]

I was actually thinking about this the other day, and wondering this: just what percentage of breaking and entering is done while the residents are home? How is having a gun going to stop someone who waits until the house is empty? Why are you defending guns with a scenario that assumes all or at least most burglars are too stupid to wait for people to go to work, on vacation, at a funeral, or pretty much use any sense at all besides "guns are dangerous".

[Kreanoltha]

Yes, and when you are burglarized it's shattered. So go ahead and kill him. And for the record I wouldn't give him the chance to surrender. I'd just say, "I'm going to shoot you if you don't leave." and then shoot him as soon as the words were out of my mouth. That's assuming I live in a state where I am required to announce intent. If I'm not I'd just shoot him. Why let him know I'm there?

Breaking into your home with they intent to steal your material wealth is no reason to prolong the person's suffering after he's been caught. He is a human being. And so are you.

Breaking into my home and threatening my and my family's safety, security, and life is every reason to kill him. He gave up his right to life as soon as he threatened another human.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

I was actually thinking about this the other day, and wondering this: just what percentage of breaking and entering is done while the residents are home? How is having a gun going to stop someone who waits until the house is empty? Why are you defending guns with a scenario that assumes all or at least most burglars are too stupid to wait for people to go to work, on vacation, at a funeral, or pretty much use any sense at all besides "guns are dangerous".

derp derp because guns can be used for more than killing

owning a gun does not mean you intend to shoot everyone who comes in your house

[-Hawaii-]

Breaking into your home with they intent to steal your material wealth is no reason to prolong the person's suffering after he's been caught. He is a human being. And so are you.

Breaking into my home and threatening my and my family's safety, security, and life is every reason to kill him. He gave up his right to life as soon as he threatened another human.

No he did not. No one forfeits their right to live just because they commit a crime against another Human.

[Kreanoltha]

I was actually thinking about this the other day, and wondering this: just what percentage of breaking and entering is done while the residents are home? How is having a gun going to stop someone who waits until the house is empty? Why are you defending guns with a scenario that assumes all or at least most burglars are too stupid to wait for people to go to work, on vacation, at a funeral, or pretty much use any sense at all besides "guns are dangerous".

derp derp because guns can be used for more than killing

owning a gun does not mean you intend to shoot everyone who comes in your house

Exactly. You shoot threats. Not people.

[Furthermore]

Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή "psyche", for mind/soul, and -ωσις "-osis", for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality". People suffering from psychosis are described as psychotic. Psychosis is given to the more severe forms of psychiatric disorder, during which hallucinations and delusions and impaired insight may occur.

I am not so sure that fits. This has been bothering me.

Also, after you have not shot him and they have surrendered, what then? Walks towards them? Back away to the phone? Just wondered what step 4 is.

[Wikkiwallana]

How can you say that a person's only life is more valuable than your useless shit? Your stuff is replaceable, person's life is not.

I agree that life is precious. And I wouldn't be happy about it. But he came into my home. The moment his foot touches my property, he forfeits all "rights" and receives the privileges I grant him. I did not invite him into my home, therefore he maintains no "right" to life any longer.
-snip-

It's lovely that your logic makes no distinction between an armed robber and a kid walking home from school who decides to take a shortcut through your yard. Really touching that.

[Kreanoltha]

Breaking into my home and threatening my and my family's safety, security, and life is every reason to kill him. He gave up his right to life as soon as he threatened another human.

No he did not. No one forfeits their right to live just because they commit a crime against another Human.

If he's a threat to my life, safety, or security you better believe he did.

[1000 Cats]

If you're coming into my house via anything but the front door, the first thing you can expect to see is a gun in your face. And if you're in my backyard, you can expect you won't be leaving alive

The moral of the story is: Don't fuck around in the property of paranoid people.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

derp derp because guns can be used for more than killing

owning a gun does not mean you intend to shoot everyone who comes in your house

Exactly. You shoot threats. Not people.

Dehumanisation leads to murder.

You're shooting a person.

Now live with it.

[Lessnt]

We are talking about vests.....
There is riot gear that covers you in armor from head to toe.

...but their are weak points in those....

Yes well it is your job to move around and fight...not stand there assuming your superman...
No bulletproof vest is gonna be bullet resistant or bulletproof for very long after it starts to sustain damage.

[-Hawaii-]

No he did not. No one forfeits their right to live just because they commit a crime against another Human.

If he's a threat to my life, safety, or security you better believe he did.

Policemen are put in danger every day. They do not shoot every dangerous criminal that points a gun at their face and threatens their life, safety or security.

[Furthermore]

I agree that life is precious. And I wouldn't be happy about it. But he came into my home. The moment his foot touches my property, he forfeits all "rights" and receives the privileges I grant him. I did not invite him into my home, therefore he maintains no "right" to life any longer.
-snip-

It's lovely that your logic makes no distinction between an armed robber and a kid walking home from school who decides to take a shortcut through your yard. Really touching that.

I think we can all agree that he is suggesting coming onto his property with menacing intent. Or with a weapon. Perhaps even the scenario in the OP.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

If he's a threat to my life, safety, or security you better believe he did.

Policemen are put in danger every day. They do not shoot every dangerous criminal that points a gun at their face and threatens their life, safety or security.

Yes they do.

They even do that to people who aren't a threat.

...but their are weak points in those....

Yes well it is your job to move around and fight...not stand there assuming your superman...
No bulletproof vest is gonna be bullet resistant or bulletproof for very long after it starts to sustain damage.

Riot kit isn't bulletproof.

It is bludgeon proof.

Glorified football pads and helmets.

[Seperates]

derp derp because guns can be used for more than killing

owning a gun does not mean you intend to shoot everyone who comes in your house

Exactly. You shoot threats. Not people.

He is no longer a threat when he has surrendered. Do we need to ask you to see a psycologist?

[Kreanoltha]

I agree that life is precious. And I wouldn't be happy about it. But he came into my home. The moment his foot touches my property, he forfeits all "rights" and receives the privileges I grant him. I did not invite him into my home, therefore he maintains no "right" to life any longer.
-snip-

It's lovely that your logic makes no distinction between an armed robber and a kid walking home from school who decides to take a shortcut through your yard. Really touching that.

I love how you assume that people who wish to defend themselves are unhinged nut jobs who are all out for blood and don't have a modicum of commonsense.

-snip- Also, after you have not shot him and they have surrendered, what then? Walks towards them? Back away to the phone? Just wondered what step 4 is.

True. They're still a threat. I assume I could tie him up, but that is still dangerous. I'd have to use both hands. What's to stop him from fighting back when I put my gun down?

[Lessnt]

Policemen are put in danger every day. They do not shoot every dangerous criminal that points a gun at their face and threatens their life, safety or security.

Yes they do.

They even do that to people who aren't a threat.

Yes well it is your job to move around and fight...not stand there assuming your superman...
No bulletproof vest is gonna be bullet resistant or bulletproof for very long after it starts to sustain damage.

Riot kit isn't bulletproof.

It is bludgeon proof.

Glorified football pads and helmets.

I did not say riot gear I said bulletproof vest.

[SUPERFISHPIE]

Nahhhhhh, that's just mean.