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would you shoot to kill?

Yes
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56%
Id shoot him in a limb
112
24%
Id hide and wait till he leaves
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4%
other
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:15 pm

Ratshot will satisfy many of the "criminals have rights too" crowd here, I think.
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:15 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Biop wrote:Shotguns are good if you just rack it, it should scare them off, If not, You aim for center of mass, not an arm or leg, you Will miss even with buckshot. You dont shoot to wound, you shoot to kill

Depends on how close.
Within 20 feet buckshot wont make a very big spread.The size on a dollar coin maybe.



Which is kinda the point. Limbs are small targets. Aim for the giant flesh bag they're attached to. It's bigger.
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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:15 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Biop wrote:Shotguns are good if you just rack it, it should scare them off, If not, You aim for center of mass, not an arm or leg, you Will miss even with buckshot. You dont shoot to wound, you shoot to kill

Depends on how close.
Within 20 feet buckshot wont make a very big spread.The size on a dollar coin maybe.

WIthen 20 feet can you hit a foot though? I Know they spread slow, but you have to have amazing aim to hit a small moving object
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:17 pm

Distruzio wrote:Ratshot will satisfy many of the "criminals have rights too" crowd here, I think.


Ratshot will not reliably disable an attacker. The pellets are too small. He'll be hurt, possibly badly, and VERY angry. 0 Buckshot is the way to go.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:18 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Ratshot will satisfy many of the "criminals have rights too" crowd here, I think.


Ratshot will not reliably disable an attacker. The pellets are too small. He'll be hurt, possibly badly, and VERY angry. 0 Buckshot is the way to go.


#6 birdshot and anything larger is a good idea. Little penetration on walls, and pretty good stopping power. Anything smaller, don't bother.

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Postby Kreanoltha » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:19 pm

Distruzio wrote:Ratshot will satisfy many of the "criminals have rights too" crowd here, I think.


Yes, and you can shoot him with ratshot as much as you like. There's a good chance he'll keep moving. You want 00 buckshot. That stops him in one shot reliably.
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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:20 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Ratshot will satisfy many of the "criminals have rights too" crowd here, I think.


Yes, and you can shoot him with ratshot as much as you like. There's a good chance he'll keep moving. You want 00 buckshot. That stops him in one shot reliably.

Or Just load up your good old 3 inch buck and blow him away
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:20 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Mini Miehm wrote:
Ratshot will not reliably disable an attacker. The pellets are too small. He'll be hurt, possibly badly, and VERY angry. 0 Buckshot is the way to go.


#6 birdshot and anything larger is a good idea. Little penetration on walls, and pretty good stopping power. Anything smaller, don't bother.


Birdshot will just piss an intruder off.

00 Buck is the best for self-defence. Recommended by the FBI, iirc.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:21 pm

The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
#6 birdshot and anything larger is a good idea. Little penetration on walls, and pretty good stopping power. Anything smaller, don't bother.


Birdshot will just piss an intruder off.

00 Buck is the best for self-defence. Recommended by the FBI, iirc.


Buckshot is the best, but in a pinch, birdshot, up close, will do. The point is to kill him, not vaporize him. Anything larger then #6 will do the job at close range.

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Postby Mini Miehm » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:21 pm

Kreanoltha wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Ratshot will satisfy many of the "criminals have rights too" crowd here, I think.


Yes, and you can shoot him with ratshot as much as you like. There's a good chance he'll keep moving. You want 00 buckshot. That stops him in one shot reliably.


0>00 More pellets, minimal size difference. I'll take an extra three pellets for a tiny loss in size on each.
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Postby TheKanadianFederation » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:22 pm

Yes. In a heart beat. I'd dump a mag into him. He's in my domain, he's under my laws, and the state should respect that...

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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:22 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Kreanoltha wrote:
Yes, and you can shoot him with ratshot as much as you like. There's a good chance he'll keep moving. You want 00 buckshot. That stops him in one shot reliably.


0>00 More pellets, minimal size difference. I'll take an extra three pellets for a tiny loss in size on each.

Or if your an enthusest you will ahve a box of Flechete or Bolo Rounds, those will fuck someone up
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:23 pm

Biop wrote:
Mini Miehm wrote:
0>00 More pellets, minimal size difference. I'll take an extra three pellets for a tiny loss in size on each.

Or if your an enthusest you will ahve a box of Flechete or Bolo Rounds, those will fuck someone up


Flechete rounds are almost useless. Don't bother with 'em.

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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:24 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Biop wrote:Or if your an enthusest you will ahve a box of Flechete or Bolo Rounds, those will fuck someone up


Flechete rounds are almost useless. Don't bother with 'em.

But the Bolo will rip an arm off
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:24 pm

Biop wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Flechete rounds are almost useless. Don't bother with 'em.

But the Bolo will rip an arm off


A normal round is lethal enough, why the hell would anybody want to use that?

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Rynatia
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Postby Rynatia » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:25 pm

Shoot to wound,if he has harmed my familey to kill.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:25 pm

Biop wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Flechete rounds are almost useless. Don't bother with 'em.

But the Bolo will rip an arm off


Novelty ammunition is dumb for self-defence.
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:25 pm

Biop wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Flechete rounds are almost useless. Don't bother with 'em.

But the Bolo will rip an arm off



And tear all shit out of your barrel. And overpenetrate walls, leading to the possibility of someone innocent getting injured. The simplest methods work best. Buckshot(number one or number two, your choice) to center mass.
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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:26 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Biop wrote:But the Bolo will rip an arm off


A normal round is lethal enough, why the hell would anybody want to use that?

2 reasons, 1) Because they can, 2) Because it just might be closer than your normal buckshot.
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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:27 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Biop wrote:But the Bolo will rip an arm off



And tear all shit out of your barrel. And overpenetrate walls, leading to the possibility of someone innocent getting injured. The simplest methods work best. Buckshot(number one or number two, your choice) to center mass.

Yes i know, for you city folkj anyway, i couldnt hit my nearest nahabor with a remention 700
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Postby Germania Alliance » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:29 pm

Doesn't really matter what kind of round you use.

Run into the room with a shotgun shooting the intruder is more than enough to scare him off.

If a man was shooting at you with a shotgun, would you really try and attack him? Doubtful.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:30 pm

Biop wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
A normal round is lethal enough, why the hell would anybody want to use that?

2 reasons, 1) Because they can, 2) Because it just might be closer than your normal buckshot.


Using novelty ammunition is a quick way to lose a civil suit and have to pay the family if they decide to sue.
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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:30 pm

Germania Alliance wrote:Doesn't really matter what kind of round you use.

Run into the room with a shotgun shooting the intruder is more than enough to scare him off.

If a man was shooting at you with a shotgun, would you really try and attack him? Doubtful.

I know i sure as hell wouldnt, they wouldnt even need to fire it, see it and run liek all hell
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:30 pm

Biop wrote:
Mini Miehm wrote:

And tear all shit out of your barrel. And overpenetrate walls, leading to the possibility of someone innocent getting injured. The simplest methods work best. Buckshot(number one or number two, your choice) to center mass.

Yes i know, for you city folkj anyway, i couldnt hit my nearest nahabor with a remention 700

How far is your neighbor?

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Postby Biop » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:30 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Biop wrote:Yes i know, for you city folkj anyway, i couldnt hit my nearest nahabor with a remention 700

How far is your neighbor?

Bout 4 miles or more, all i know is im never taking a bike ride to their house
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