United Democratic Nations

[Dilange]

One parting thought...if anyone supports the UDN website proposal, let me know and I can add your name to the petition on the last page. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

gary
http://www.UnitedDemocraticNations.org

As for my parting shot, I will say one last thing....who would run the UDN anyways sicne its an American ideal? Maybe America or Britain or France.....wait this sounds liek the UN all over again.

[Gdstark]

One parting thought...if anyone supports the UDN website proposal, let me know and I can add your name to the petition on the last page. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

gary
http://www.UnitedDemocraticNations.org

As for my parting shot, I will say one last thing....who would run the UDN anyways sicne its an American ideal? Maybe America or Britain or France.....wait this sounds liek the UN all over again.

I don't recall describing the UDN concept as being "run" by any one nation. Where did you get that idea? To the contrary I describe the UDN as not even having a permanent location, but instead rotating through member nations. And since I also describe the UDN as being of a MUCH more limited size, that wouldn't be such a hard move.

I really think you're confusing the UDN with the UN. One doesn't work and one is just a proposal.

[Risottia]

Should undemocratic nations be kicked out of the UN? What is your opinion on this hypothetical ''UDN''?

...we already did it. It's called the EU.

[New Manvir]

Can we build a treehouse and put up a sign saying "NO FASHISTS ALLOUD"?

[Volnotova]

After reading these two article, I began thinking. Would it be possible to reform the UN into ''UDN'', or United Democratic Nations, or alternatively, make all democratic nations leave the UN and join the UDN instead? The member state map of the UDN would probably look like this.
Basically, the point is that UN is extremely inefficient because about half of the its member states are dictatorships. They do not respect Western values such as democracy, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. They might be semi-democratic oligarchies like Russia, pseudo-Communist authoritarian dictatorships like China or just literally insane hellholes like North Korea. It is incredibly difficult to make any decisions when half of the world's nation don't give a damn about things that matter to an average Westerner.

So, what do you think? Should undemocratic nations be kicked out of the UN? What is your opinion on this hypothetical ''UDN''?

What democratic nations?

There are none.

And neither are half of its member states dictatorships, just because they are a little more authoritarian, despotic and tyranical then their western counterparts does not make them dictatorships.

An western values such as democracy? Freedom of speech and "Freedom of Assembly"?

Also, every country in the world is an oligarchy.
Or are you going to claim that we are all free, unrestrained, that the parliaments of western countries(Constisting mostly of just a few hundred people) perfectly represent the wishes, feelings, interests, lifes and social, economic, political, religious and ethnic backgrounds of hundreds of millions of people? And that we merely "consent' to all the taxation and laws?



And China is not communist, it is state capitalist; communism is stateless and classless.

That said, does the average westerner care about the average Asian or African?

This entire "UDN" idea is just one big ass-licking fest for the ruling and parasitic political elite, another facade that attempts at giving the ruling oligarchs a little more legitimacy.

[Gdstark]

What democratic nations?

There are none.

If you only think in black & white you could reach that conclusion, but turning the discussion into one of pure semantics simply avoids the real issues.

And neither are half of its member states dictatorships, just because they are a little more authoritarian, despotic and tyranical then their western counterparts does not make them dictatorships.

An western values such as democracy? Freedom of speech and "Freedom of Assembly"?

Also, every country in the world is an oligarchy.
Or are you going to claim that we are all free, unrestrained, that the parliaments of western countries(Constisting mostly of just a few hundred people) perfectly represent the wishes, feelings, interests, lifes and social, economic, political, religious and ethnic backgrounds of hundreds of millions of people? And that we merely "consent' to all the taxation and laws?



And China is not communist, it is state capitalist; communism is stateless and classless.

That said, does the average westerner care about the average Asian or African?

This entire "UDN" idea is just one big ass-licking fest for the ruling and parasitic political elite, another facade that attempts at giving the ruling oligarchs a little more legitimacy.

So just to clarify, are you happy with the UN as-is? Or do you feel that political discussions at the global level simply have no value?

[Volnotova]

If you only think in black & white you could reach that conclusion, but turning the discussion into one of pure semantics simply avoids the real issues.

Downplaying the value of semantics turns "discussions" or any other form of verbal "interaction" into pure gibberish.

So just to clarify, are you happy with the UN as-is? Or do you feel that political discussions at the global level simply have no value?

No.

And yes, I do feel political discussions at a global level have an inherent value but to me the UN is but a joke.

[Gdstark]

If you only think in black & white you could reach that conclusion, but turning the discussion into one of pure semantics simply avoids the real issues.

Downplaying the value of semantics turns "discussions" or any other form of verbal "interaction" into pure gibberish.

Clearly some nations are more democratic than others. Democracy is a sliding scale, not a binary value, so saying there are no democracies is a pointless observation. Specifically, gibberish.

So just to clarify, are you happy with the UN as-is? Or do you feel that political discussions at the global level simply have no value?

No.

And yes, I do feel political discussions at a global level have an inherent value but to me the UN is but a joke.

With that we can agree. Not democratic enough for my taste.

[Anitgrum]

Should undemocratic nations be kicked out of the UN? What is your opinion on this hypothetical ''UDN''?

...we already did it. It's called the EU.

Yeah last time I checked not all democracies were in Europe .

[Volnotova]

Clearly some nations are more democratic than others. Democracy is a sliding scale, not a binary value, so saying there are no democracies is a pointless observation. Specifically, gibberish.

That is different.

The United States isn't democratic, neither is North Korea.

However, certain segments of a country can be considered democratic; if at all.

Then you can make statistics about how a country is democratic in areas that others are not.

Nevertheless, talking about any country as "democratic' is incorrect. To explain: The statement "A, B and C are true" may be false, if B is false then the whole statement is false; however, individual segments may be true.

[Gdstark]

Clearly some nations are more democratic than others. Democracy is a sliding scale, not a binary value, so saying there are no democracies is a pointless observation. Specifically, gibberish.

That is different.

The United States isn't democratic, neither is North Korea.

However, certain segments of a country can be considered democratic; if at all.

Then you can make statistics about how a country is democratic in areas that others are not.

Now we're on track.

Nevertheless, talking about any country as "democratic' is incorrect. To explain: The statement "A, B and C are true" may be false, if B is false then the whole statement is false; however, individual segments may be true.

...and now we're back in the weeds.

To the subject at hand, how would you improve the UN? Or the UDN concept?

[Distruzio]

That is different.

The United States isn't democratic, neither is North Korea.

However, certain segments of a country can be considered democratic; if at all.

Then you can make statistics about how a country is democratic in areas that others are not.

Now we're on track.

Nevertheless, talking about any country as "democratic' is incorrect. To explain: The statement "A, B and C are true" may be false, if B is false then the whole statement is false; however, individual segments may be true.

...and now we're back in the weeds.

To the subject at hand, how would you improve the UN? Or the UDN concept?

He'd tell you to write it out on toilet paper.

[Risottia]

...we already did it. It's called the EU.

Yeah last time I checked not all democracies were in Europe .

Just wait. They will be assimilated.
Yes, of course we're Borgs. We've got Sweden after all!

[Hypparchia]

Some people won't learn...

[Gdstark]

He'd tell you to write it out on toilet paper.

Write what on toilet paper?

[Distruzio]

He'd tell you to write it out on toilet paper.

Write what on toilet paper?

Your ideas on the UDN. Vol doesn't seem to approve.

[Anitgrum]

Yeah last time I checked not all democracies were in Europe .

Just wait. They will be assimilated.
Yes, of course we're Borgs. We've got Sweden after all!

The Eurocollective is seeming to have trouble fully assimilating Britain.

[Great Agram]

Just wait. They will be assimilated.
Yes, of course we're Borgs. We've got Sweden after all!

The Eurocollective is seeming to have trouble fully assimilating Britain.

britain has the open door to leave the EU, I am wondeing what is doig in the eu because it is not Europe and second the founders of the EU didnt predict to see britain within the Eu (De gaulle said:"europe from the antlantic to Ural")