The death penalty

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't need to convince anyone. Quelesh making a pseudo-theological claim is evidence of nothing.

You mean, like yours?

No, exactly the opposite.

Quelesh is speculating something that requires an extrapolation from what can be seen or objectively known. Exactly the opposite of what I'm doing. Since 'rights' can only be seen to exist in social structures where they are agreed upon and enforced, it's not extrapolation.

[Grave_n_idle]

Who said that it was?

It is, however, the only 100% certain way to stop recidivism.

Killings of one person, or any any number of people, doesn't halt crime, less stop crime.

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

[Alyakia]

Killings of one person, or any any number of people, doesn't halt crime, less stop crime.

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

It stops them from doing anything really, such as being released after new evidence comes to light.

i would make more irrelevant posts but i'm stuck in the turkey threads sorry ):

[JJ Place]

Killings of one person, or any any number of people, doesn't halt crime, less stop crime.

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

Not true, often execution leads to more violence in the name of retaliation. Killing a person only ends their, it doesn't end their legacy. People often manage more of an impact in death, than they could ever manage in life.

[Grave_n_idle]

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

Not true, often execution leads to more violence in the name of retaliation.

I think you've been watching too much of the new Torchwood series. Meanwhile, in reality, people that are executed actually do stop committing crimes.

[Four-sided Triangles]

in reality, people that are executed actually do stop committing crimes.

Or if they're innocent, never start committing crimes to begin with.

[Lessnt]

in reality, people that are executed actually do stop committing crimes.

Or if they're innocent, never start committing crimes to begin with.

Prevention is nice.....

[Four-sided Triangles]

Prevention is nice.....

With that attitude, why not just execute everyone on the planet?

[Grave_n_idle]

in reality, people that are executed actually do stop committing crimes.

Or if they're innocent, never start committing crimes to begin with.

Indeed. So... bi-winning.

[Grave_n_idle]

Prevention is nice.....

With that attitude, why not just execute everyone on the planet?

It would limit crime, certainly.

On the other hand - those aren't the only two options. You can kill all the bad guys without having to kill everyone else. Although, to make sure you get all the bad guys, you might have to sacrifice one or two others.

[Geniasis]

Or if they're innocent, never start committing crimes to begin with.

Indeed. So... bi-winning.

Probably not the best PR-move there.

[Drackonisa]

Killings of one person, or any any number of people, doesn't halt crime, less stop crime.

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

Thats why, Singapore should have our hangings conducted in public rather than in private. Set an example to the scum of society. Expand the death penalty to cover vandalism and stealing as well, rather than just drug possession or murder. No reason to support the criminal's worthless hide in prison after all, its my damn tax money.

I despise every criminal slime in the world. Personal opinion.

[Geniasis]

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

Thats why, Singapore should have our hangings conducted in public rather than in private. Set an example to the scum of society. Expand the death penalty to cover vandalism and stealing as well, rather than just drug possession or murder. No reason to support the criminal's worthless hide in prison after all.

I despise every criminal slime in the world. Personal opinion.

Jaywalking? TO THE CHAIR WITH YOU!

[Drackonisa]

Thats why, Singapore should have our hangings conducted in public rather than in private. Set an example to the scum of society. Expand the death penalty to cover vandalism and stealing as well, rather than just drug possession or murder. No reason to support the criminal's worthless hide in prison after all.

I despise every criminal slime in the world. Personal opinion.

Jaywalking? TO THE CHAIR WITH YOU!

Hanging. its cheaper.

[-St George]

It stops a murderer from murdering again.

It's unrealistic to think we're going to solve or cure crime anytime soon. It's entirely realistic to think that executing a criminal solves the problem of THAT criminal re-offending.

Thats why, Singapore should have our hangings conducted in public rather than in private. Set an example to the scum of society. Expand the death penalty to cover vandalism and stealing as well, rather than just drug possession or murder. No reason to support the criminal's worthless hide in prison after all, its my damn tax money.

I despise every criminal slime in the world. Personal opinion.

And thus you support the murder of innocent people by the state. Herp.

[Geniasis]

Jaywalking? TO THE CHAIR WITH YOU!

Hanging. its cheaper.

Yeah, like that'll reduce crime.

[Drackonisa]

Thats why, Singapore should have our hangings conducted in public rather than in private. Set an example to the scum of society. Expand the death penalty to cover vandalism and stealing as well, rather than just drug possession or murder. No reason to support the criminal's worthless hide in prison after all.

I despise every criminal slime in the world. Personal opinion.

Jaywalking? TO THE CHAIR WITH YOU!

anyways, we have fines for jaywalking, though its not usually enforced.

[Drackonisa]

Hanging. its cheaper.

Yeah, like that'll reduce crime.

*shrug* it works, Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which i believe is due to our strict enforcement of our laws.

[Drackonisa]

Thats why, Singapore should have our hangings conducted in public rather than in private. Set an example to the scum of society. Expand the death penalty to cover vandalism and stealing as well, rather than just drug possession or murder. No reason to support the criminal's worthless hide in prison after all, its my damn tax money.

I despise every criminal slime in the world. Personal opinion.

And thus you support the murder of innocent people by the state. Herp.

define 'innocent'. Convicted criminals who do nothing other than waste society's resources deserve to die, end of story.

[Geniasis]

Yeah, like that'll reduce crime.

*shrug* it works, Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, which i believe is due to our strict enforcement of our laws.

That's interesting, because according to statistics that I won't look up tonight because it's 3 AM so ask again tomorrow if you're really interested, states that have the death penalty do not appear to deter crime any more than states that do not.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

I'm in favor of it. It's stupid to have murders sitting in jail for the rest of their lives, wasting money and risking lives of other inmates and guards.

[Furious Grandmothers]

I'm in favor of it. It's stupid to have murders sitting in jail for the rest of their lives, wasting money and risking lives of other inmates and guards.

Wasn't it already mentioned that the death penalty wastes more money than life imprisonment?

[Soviet Russia Republic]

I'm in favor of it. It's stupid to have murders sitting in jail for the rest of their lives, wasting money and risking lives of other inmates and guards.

Wasn't it already mentioned that the death penalty wastes more money than life imprisonment?

Maybe in some countries, that doesn't mean it would be all.

[Distruzio]

Vehemently against.

With the added caveat that I am vehemently against the State doing the murder. I have no problem with the death penalty for murderers, they have destroyed the image of God in another human being, and in doing so, have perverted the image in themselves. Thus in order to save them from living in a perverted state, they must be destroyed themselves.

[Drackonisa]

I'm in favor of it. It's stupid to have murders sitting in jail for the rest of their lives, wasting money and risking lives of other inmates and guards.

Wasn't it already mentioned that the death penalty wastes more money than life imprisonment?

how so? It totally depends on what methods you use for it. Hanging/firing squad is fairly economical.