The death penalty

[Greater Nilfgaard]

The death penalty is only more expensive if it is by lethal injection, if you shoot them in the head with a .22 caliber bullet, its slightly less expensive

Were you joking, or do you actually not understand what makes death sentences so much more expensive than life sentences?

Execution is very cheap, much cheaper than life in prison. It is only once you add the sprawling and inefficient appeal process, that it becomes more expensive. For example, the death penalty is most expensive when people are sentenced to death row but hardly ever actually get executed (like in California). People just need to wait less than 30 years to carry out the verdict, and it will be much, much cheaper.

And make the criminals pay for their own appeals! That would help as well..

If they turn out to be innocent, they will be compensated when they are exonerated..

If guilty, they die and no state money was wasted on their appeals.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Against it.

[Keronians]

Were you joking, or do you actually not understand what makes death sentences so much more expensive than life sentences?

Execution is very cheap, much cheaper than life in prison. It is only once you add the sprawling and inefficient appeal process, that it becomes more expensive. For example, the death penalty is most expensive when people are sentenced to death row but hardly ever actually get executed (like in California). People just need to wait less than 30 years to carry out the verdict, and it will be much, much cheaper.

And make the criminals pay for their own appeals! That would help as well..

If they turn out to be innocent, they will be compensated when they are exonerated..

If guilty, they die and no state money was wasted on their appeals.

And if the criminals cannot afford it?

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Execution is very cheap, much cheaper than life in prison. It is only once you add the sprawling and inefficient appeal process, that it becomes more expensive. For example, the death penalty is most expensive when people are sentenced to death row but hardly ever actually get executed (like in California). People just need to wait less than 30 years to carry out the verdict, and it will be much, much cheaper.

And make the criminals pay for their own appeals! That would help as well..

If they turn out to be innocent, they will be compensated when they are exonerated..

If guilty, they die and no state money was wasted on their appeals.

And if the criminals cannot afford it?

The state pays... but only if they can't afford it.

I mentioned all of this in my 'ideal justice system' a few pages back

[Keronians]

And if the criminals cannot afford it?

The state pays... but only if they can't afford it.

I mentioned all of this in my 'ideal justice system' a few pages back

Yes, that justice system...

It reminded me to appreciate Spain and reminded me that the country's not a shithole after all.

[Gernonai]

I do understand that the death penalty is much more expensive then a life sentance, but i also understand that it could be changed if it weren't by lethal injection, it would be a lot cheaper to push someone off a cliff with a hole at the bottom, and then just cover them up.

[Keronians]

I do understand that the death penalty is much more expensive then a life sentance, but i also understand that it could be changed if it weren't by lethal injection, it would be a lot cheaper to push someone off a cliff with a hole at the bottom, and then just cover them up.

And congratulations!

That is not the reason why the death penalty is more expensive.

You will find your tickets for a family trip to Australia for being the one millionth person to make this erroneous statement.

[Furious Grandmothers]

I do understand that the death penalty is much more expensive then a life sentance, but i also understand that it could be changed if it weren't by lethal injection, it would be a lot cheaper to push someone off a cliff with a hole at the bottom, and then just cover them up.

And congratulations!

That is not the reason why the death penalty is more expensive.

You will find your tickets for a family trip to Australia for being the one millionth person to make this erroneous statement.

That's not an effective deterrent, Ker. Make it a family trip to the courthouse for the ten millionth fail.

[Marshallx]

I feel that the idea of bringing justice by doing the exact thing a murderer did is counter intuitive to justice and just a plain silly unethical and revenge driven concept.

How would you then handle the crime of kidnapping and/or false imprisonment?

[The IOAS]

Let the family of the victims and the community impacted decide on a case by case basis. Some people just deserve to die.

[Dirqa]

I'm against it because I think that life in prison is a worse sentence than execution and in places with the death penalty it is generally reserved for the worst crimes (murder, etc.) while things like rape get life in prison as the maximum sentence. In both cases the penalty is essentially that your life is over, the death penalty is just faster about it, making it the lesser sentence.
Also, it's pointless to release someone that's been wrongly convicted when they're already dead.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Strongly opposed.

[Geniasis]

Nope, not true.

The death penalty is not more expensive - you're conflating the practise with all the crap that gets added on to it.

The death penalty is a trivial cost.


Your argument is apparently with broken legal systems, not the penalty itself.



Who said that it was?

It is, however, the only 100% certain way to stop recidivism.

Assuming you've read the thread and know speciifically what crap it is that makes it expensive, do you think you'l be able implement a system without it?

Is it really? You could always, you know, just not release them. Perhaps, a sentence, for life? Then maybe even a confinment, where they are themselves, solitary, as it were.

No, really, please, tell us about the innocent people that will innevitably be sujected to the death penalty.

Grave and I have been down this road before. Basically, he and I have a fundamental disagreement on which is the higher priority. For my part, I find his treatment of the wrongfully convicted as completely disposable to be disgusting and morally repugnant, but I'm sure he's liable to think something similar about my "willingness to let a murderer go free".

[Keronians]

Assuming you've read the thread and know speciifically what crap it is that makes it expensive, do you think you'l be able implement a system without it?

Is it really? You could always, you know, just not release them. Perhaps, a sentence, for life? Then maybe even a confinment, where they are themselves, solitary, as it were.

No, really, please, tell us about the innocent people that will innevitably be sujected to the death penalty.

Grave and I have been down this road before. Basically, he and I have a fundamental disagreement on which is the higher priority. For my part, I find his treatment of the wrongfully convicted as completely disposable to be disgusting and morally repugnant, but I'm sure he's liable to think something similar about my "willingness to let a murderer go free".

"Go free"?

[Geniasis]

Grave and I have been down this road before. Basically, he and I have a fundamental disagreement on which is the higher priority. For my part, I find his treatment of the wrongfully convicted as completely disposable to be disgusting and morally repugnant, but I'm sure he's liable to think something similar about my "willingness to let a murderer go free".

"Go free"?

Not an accurate paraphrase, exactly. I would rather eliminate the death penalty and give them life, while Grave would rather enact the death penalty and endure the sacrifice of a few innocents. I find his method morally irresponsible, he's made it clear he feels the same about mine.

[-St George]

In my case, the Spanish Constitution, the European Convention on Human Rights, the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

All of which (with the exception of the first) were written by a bunch of liberal bureaucrats whom then attempted to impose them on sovereign states.

Yep, the UDHR, CFREU and ECHR are all 'imposed' on sovereign states.

Never mind that they're all entirely fucking voluntary.

[Keronians]

All of which (with the exception of the first) were written by a bunch of liberal bureaucrats whom then attempted to impose them on sovereign states.

Yep, the UDHR, CFREU and ECHR are all 'imposed' on sovereign states.

Never mind that they're all entirely fucking voluntary.

Exactly. Member states can leave the EU, the UN, and the Council of Europe at any time.

[-St George]

Were you joking, or do you actually not understand what makes death sentences so much more expensive than life sentences?

Execution is very cheap, much cheaper than life in prison. It is only once you add the sprawling and inefficient appeal process, that it becomes more expensive. For example, the death penalty is most expensive when people are sentenced to death row but hardly ever actually get executed (like in California). People just need to wait less than 30 years to carry out the verdict, and it will be much, much cheaper.

And make the criminals pay for their own appeals! That would help as well..

If they turn out to be innocent, they will be compensated when they are exonerated..

If guilty, they die and no state money was wasted on their appeals.

And if they can't afford an appeal? Or if they are proven innocent after their deaths?

Or don't they matter?

[-St George]

Yep, the UDHR, CFREU and ECHR are all 'imposed' on sovereign states.

Never mind that they're all entirely fucking voluntary.

Exactly. Member states can leave the EU, the UN, and the Council of Europe at any time.

I cannot wait until school starts again. The retardation levels might drop slightly.

[Keronians]

Exactly. Member states can leave the EU, the UN, and the Council of Europe at any time.

I cannot wait until school starts again. The retardation levels might drop slightly.

I start on Thursday.

[Geniasis]

Exactly. Member states can leave the EU, the UN, and the Council of Europe at any time.

I cannot wait until school starts again. The retardation levels might drop slightly.

Did we get our crop of white nationalists this year? I think I missed them.

[-St George]

I cannot wait until school starts again. The retardation levels might drop slightly.

Did we get our crop of white nationalists this year? I think I missed them.

I think we overplowed the field to be honest in preparation and ruined the crop.

[Geniasis]

Did we get our crop of white nationalists this year? I think I missed them.

I think we overplowed the field to be honest in preparation and ruined the crop.

This is a terrible harvest.

[-St George]

I cannot wait until school starts again. The retardation levels might drop slightly.

I start on Thursday.

Damn shame I say.

[Alyakia]

It is, however, the only 100% certain way to stop recidivism.

I'm assuming you say this because if you put someone in prison you can realease themm, but if you use the death penalty that can never be reversed. That's actually a point against the death penalty.