The death penalty

[Keronians]

I'm for it simply because I believe if you murder someone, you don't deserve to have 3 free meals, a gym, TV, bed, all paid for by peoples' tax dollars. If someone takes an innocent life why do they get to keep theirs? I know its not a deterrent neither is prison really. However it is a punishment and that is what sentencing criminals should be about, punishing them. For murder, the punishment should be a short drop and sudden stop.

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

[Kleomentia]

If there has been a mass crime than yes the person ho did the crime should be given the death penalty.

[Furthermore]

Unable to find source, to many places where a random jail can appear on. Sorry. ;-;

[Strykla]

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

The penalty isn't expensive at all. It's the appeals.

[Keronians]

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

The penalty isn't expensive at all. It's the appeals.

Those are a part of the penalty, are they not?

[Furthermore]

Completely disagree with you their, simply on the basis that rape isn't as bad as death, so the consequence should not be death, btw people can get over these things. Not to mention that rape is a very slippery slope in a lot of cases where a women may try to simply frame someone, so no defiantly not worthy of death. Perhaps a long time in prisoner but death no way.

Do you know any rape victims?

If you've never spoken with one and they haven't told you about what effects it has had on them, just shut up and sit down. From what I've gathered from talking to several it's an incredibly painful, permanently scarring experience that is indeed a living death in some ways. Victims can recover from it to some extent, but never completely. It's a horrific memory that will always live with them.

Rape is one of the worst forms of torture there is.

Well, I do.

She was walking to her car and was attacked by about eight young men. maybe ten, she really cannot remember that well as the one in the front knocked her out. She awoke nude from the bottom, and for some reason could not find her keys she dropped. Looked in the car mirror and what she saw was not her, just a pulp. Walking home she saw a a man she knew but ran away from him out of fear.
Moving on she later found out she got on the newspaper, found out she was pregnant, lost her "friends", had to write to the government to request an abortion, recieved a yes but decided to keep it, lived on a Native American camp while she had the child, then gave it away to her neighbors who could not have children. She said she cried when it was born, because, to her, it looked just like the first boy she saw when she turned around.
She does not even remember the actual attack, and she still had to feel all of that.

You know, I was originally writing this to state that rape does not always mean forever suffering, as she went on to do very big things in her life and raised her daughter she had already before the rape, but gee, re-reading this is quite depressing. I mean, I can understand death penalty for repeat offender rapes, but as for just one. . .eeh.

[Strykla]

The penalty isn't expensive at all. It's the appeals.

Those are a part of the penalty, are they not?

No...

The penalty is the part where the convict dies. The trial is everything else.

[Alyakia]

Those are a part of the penalty, are they not?

No...

The penalty is the part where the convict dies. The trial is everything else.

It's kinda hard to have a sentence without a trial and trying to seperate the trials from the sentence is pretty silly.

[Vermmeria]

That's torture.

It will reduce crime

That's immoral, disgusting and plain wrong. No nation has any right to call themselves civilised while they have the death penalty.

[Keronians]

No...

The penalty is the part where the convict dies. The trial is everything else.

It's kinda hard to have a sentence without a trial and trying to seperate the trials from the sentence is pretty silly.

This.

[Keronians]

It will reduce crime

That's immoral, disgusting and plain wrong. No nation has any right to call themselves civilised while they have the death penalty.

Forget that, at least the death penalty is delivered as painlessly as possible.

What this guy is recommending is cruel and unusual, torture, and will cause the biggest protests ever seen in the developed world.

[Strykla]

No...

The penalty is the part where the convict dies. The trial is everything else.

It's kinda hard to have a sentence without a trial and trying to seperate the trials from the sentence is pretty silly.

What are you talking about? I was saying that the cost of executing a someone is far less than the trial.

[Porphyrios]

Let me start by saying that I'm a stong supporter of the death penalty. I think that If someone commits murder they have surrendered their right to life.

That being said I think it should be up to the victim's next of kin to decide between incarceration and death. And the murderers possessions will be given to the victim's family in the event that the murderer has no family of their own.

I realize that some innocents will be harmed. I can think of no way to prevent that. However I think it is worth the risk. As for the issue of cost, limit to only one appeal, and don't use expensive ways of killing. A cheap rope and a beam costs next to nothing and can be reused. You can make it even simpler just put a bullet in the back of the murderer's head.

As a side note I believe that the next of kin involved in deciding the murderer's fate must be required to watch the execution. They will be forced to understand and acknowledge the full consequences of thier actions.

[JJ Place]

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

You hold quite a compassion for people, I see. There aren't merely a very few potentially innocent people whom have been executed, there are quite, a few potentially innocent people whom have been executed. Of the past 1000 executions in the United States, 121 of those individuals, are potentially innocent. All innocent people put to death by the death penalty have been killed unjustly, immorally, illegally, murdered. Any amount of innocent individuals killed by the death penalty is murder, regardless of your beliefs of the death penalty, a particularly heinous breed of murder. The death penalty, is not merely wrong for stealing innocent lives, the death penalty is wrong for all murders committed under it's name, regardless the individual put to death.

[Keronians]

Let me start by saying that I'm a stong supporter of the death penalty. I think that If someone commits murder they have surrendered their right to life.

Why, exactly?

That being said I think it should be up to the victim's next of kin to decide between incarceration and death. And the murderers possessions will be given to the victim's family in the event that the murderer has no family of their own.

Revenge killing is so awesome.

I realize that some innocents will be harmed. I can think of no way to prevent that. However I think it is worth the risk. As for the issue of cost, limit to only one appeal, and don't use expensive ways of killing. A cheap rope and a beam costs next to nothing and can be reused. You can make it even simpler just put a bullet in the back of the murderer's head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ex ... #2000-2009

As a side note I believe that the next of kin involved in deciding the murderer's fate must be required to watch the execution. They will be forced to understand and acknowledge the full consequences of thier actions.

So, put the next of kin into unnessecary psychological pain. Either that, or, if the guy's a psycho, then send him all the wrong messages. Good system.

[Delanshar]

It will reduce crime

That's immoral, disgusting and plain wrong. No nation has any right to call themselves civilised while they have the death penalty.

Whats immoral is that the only people who kill are criminals, and the only people killed are innocents. Thats totally unfair, if you take life, you can repay it with your own.

[UCUMAY]

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

Yes and it really shouldn't be...

[Sorratsin]

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

Yes and it really shouldn't be...

Why should the state be permitted to kill people without taking extensive steps to insure that the person is at least guilty?

[The Parkus Empire]

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

Yes and it really shouldn't be...

How do you suggest the prohibitive cost be remedied?

[Seperates]

You do realise that the death penalty is more expensive than life imprisonment, yes?

Yes and it really shouldn't be...

Well, if they still allowed for the BA bullet to the brain, we wouldn't have to pay for all the chemicals would we?

[-St George]

So *shrug* is your reaction to the potential murder of innocent people by the state?

'K.

I have faith in the modern technology. DNA makes a big difference compared to the older cases.

DNA isn't infallible.

[-St George]

Nice to see you support state sanctioned murder of innocent people.

Nice to see you can't read

I said after a guilty verdict. The people killed wouldn't be innocent, but convicted criminals.

While were at it, here's another English 101 tip:
Murder means premeditated and unlawful killing, since execution isn't unlawful (even if you think it's morally wrong) it can't be considered murder.

Thus "execution = state sanctioned murder" is an oxymoron because it was the law that led to the execution.

olawd.

so an innocent person gets executed, which happens, don't pretend it doesn't, and how is it not anything other than state sanctioned murder?

[The Narexian Socialist States]

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

You hold quite a compassion for people, I see. There aren't merely a very few potentially innocent people whom have been executed, there are quite, a few potentially innocent people whom have been executed. Of the past 1000 executions in the United States, 121 of those individuals, are potentially innocent. All innocent people put to death by the death penalty have been killed unjustly, immorally, illegally, murdered. Any amount of innocent individuals killed by the death penalty is murder, regardless of your beliefs of the death penalty, a particularly heinous breed of murder. The death penalty, is not merely wrong for stealing innocent lives, the death penalty is wrong for all murders committed under it's name, regardless the individual put to death.

[Savoyae]

I don't give a damn if it isn't moral or right, I just belive in removing them for their danger to the public, and it costs money to keep them alive. I belive the death penalty should also be expanded upon, would save space and money. If the evidence is clear that they murdered them, after one month, throw em' off a cliff.
Kill them not for morality, but for the good of th state and the safety of the public.

Agreed. Lets not even make expensive "Humane" ways, just get them out of the pool.

[Savoyae]

Nice to see you can't read

I said after a guilty verdict. The people killed wouldn't be innocent, but convicted criminals.

While were at it, here's another English 101 tip:
Murder means premeditated and unlawful killing, since execution isn't unlawful (even if you think it's morally wrong) it can't be considered murder.

Thus "execution = state sanctioned murder" is an oxymoron because it was the law that led to the execution.

olawd.

so an innocent person gets executed, which happens, don't pretend it doesn't, and how is it not anything other than state sanctioned murder?

Innocents , every one unit, may die and the guilty goes free.

Shit happens.

But we can drive the system to make sure that if it happens, it happens rarely.

Hell, maybe it can lead to the guilty party being caught due to the drive of investigation.

If we're killing people, then, we must be damn sure they are an enemy of the state, not our own men and women, damnit.