The death penalty

[UCUMAY]

That doesn't answer the question.

If you can't comprehend taking relish in the death of a very bad person, then you just can't.

Thank you.

[Alyakia]

That doesn't answer the question.

That is my opinion of your question. Ask a different question and you will get a different answer.

Honestly, I'd rather you just answered the question instead of going into some irrelevant tripe about how I'm telling you how to run your government.

[Nature-Spirits]

If the government kills a murderer what does that make the government? Murderers.

[UCUMAY]

That is my opinion of your question. Ask a different question and you will get a different answer.

Honestly, I'd rather you just answered the question instead of going into some irrelevant tripe about how I'm telling you how to run your government.

Your problem not mine.

[Jaymac1987]

in my book its completely fine it should prevent people from doing it but most justice systems are to corrupt letting murders and rapist off because of filing errors or whatever stupid things

The death penalty is not an effective deterrent.

When you commit a murder, you don't think about the sentence awaiting you. You think about... NOT GETTING CAUGHT!

well jail is a deterrent or its thats what it supposed to be and the death penelty is supposed to be like the ultitment deterrent

[UCUMAY]

If the government kills a murderer what does that make the government? Murderers.

So does warfare. The world is often an ugly, brutal place. To pretend otherwise is to be an ostrich.

[Alyakia]

Honestly, I'd rather you just answered the question instead of going into some irrelevant tripe about how I'm telling you how to run your government.

Your problem not mine.

Oh well. Enjoy not addressing the fundamental flaws of capital punishment in a thread based entirely around discussion of capital punishment, I guess.

[UCUMAY]

The death penalty is not an effective deterrent.

When you commit a murder, you don't think about the sentence awaiting you. You think about... NOT GETTING CAUGHT!

well jail is a deterrent or its thats what it supposed to be and the death penelty is supposed to be like the ultitment deterrent

Criminals will do it anyway because they think they will never get caught. The only way to reduce crime is to raise the standard of living. That means education, and welfare.

[ArkAngelas]

I'm not just for it, I believe they should bring back public executions. Let everyone know what happens when a crime is committed.

[Strykla]

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

IT KEEPS COMING UP I WONDER WHY THAT IS

Very few people is still too many. The fact that it's very few doesn't make it somehow better. It is impossible to create a system that will not result in the execution of innocents. Are you suggesting that you don't care about this?

I'm sorry to say that I don't much care. It's bad that innocent people die, but that cannot change as long as humans kill other humans, which will be for as long as humans exist. Nobody can change the fact that innocent people die, and as much as we can lower that number, it will stay above zero.

[Napkiraly]

I'm for it simply because I believe if you murder someone, you don't deserve to have 3 free meals, a gym, TV, bed, all paid for by peoples' tax dollars. If someone takes an innocent life why do they get to keep theirs? I know its not a deterrent neither is prison really. However it is a punishment and that is what sentencing criminals should be about, punishing them. For murder, the punishment should be a short drop and sudden stop.

[UCUMAY]

I'm for it simply because I believe if you murder someone, you don't deserve to have 3 free meals, a gym, TV, bed, all paid for by peoples' tax dollars. If someone takes an innocent life why do they get to keep theirs? I know its not a deterrent neither is prison really. However it is a punishment and that is what sentencing criminals should be about, punishing them. For murder, the punishment should be a short drop and sudden stop.

[Horsefish]

I'm sorry to say that I don't much care. It's bad that innocent people die, but that cannot change as long as humans kill other humans, which will be for as long as humans exist. Nobody can change the fact that innocent people die, and as much as we can lower that number, it will stay above zero.

The deaths of innocent people to perserve a system thats rotten and unfair?
I'm sorry that makes no sense.

I'm for it simply because I believe if you murder someone, you don't deserve to have 3 free meals, a gym, TV, bed, all paid for by peoples' tax dollars. If someone takes an innocent life why do they get to keep theirs? I know its not a deterrent neither is prison really. However it is a punishment and that is what sentencing criminals should be about, punishing them. For murder, the punishment should be a short drop and sudden stop.

It shouldn't. Policies of rehabilitation and addressing the causes of the crimes is much more effective. Killing them wastes the money that could be put to those purposes.

[Alyakia]

IT KEEPS COMING UP I WONDER WHY THAT IS

Very few people is still too many. The fact that it's very few doesn't make it somehow better. It is impossible to create a system that will not result in the execution of innocents. Are you suggesting that you don't care about this?

I'm sorry to say that I don't much care. It's bad that innocent people die, but that cannot change as long as humans kill other humans, which will be for as long as humans exist. Nobody can change the fact that innocent people die, and as much as we can lower that number, it will stay above zero.

Your argument is that since humans kill other humans and innocent people will die by other means, it's somehow then acceptable for the state to start killing more?

[Alyakia]

I'm for it simply because I believe if you murder someone, you don't deserve to have 3 free meals, a gym, TV, bed, all paid for by peoples' tax dollars. If someone takes an innocent life why do they get to keep theirs? I know its not a deterrent neither is prison really. However it is a punishment and that is what sentencing criminals should be about, punishing them. For murder, the punishment should be a short drop and sudden stop.

Even if you commit murder, you're still going to get 3 meals and a bed all paid for by the tax payers dollars for about 10 years. Maybe 20 if you're in California. 33 if you're a death row superstar.

Giving them immediate relief is a pretty bad punishment.

[Horsefish]

Even if you commit murder, you're still going to get 3 meals and a bed all paid for by the tax payers dollars for about 10 years. Maybe 20 if you're in California. 33 if you're a death row superstar.

Giving them immediate relief is a pretty bad punishment.

No beacuse it's perfectly acceptable for the police to drag them out onto the courtroom steps and shoot them in the head after a guilty verdict. I mean, thats only 40 cents a bullet! It's dead cheap.

[UCUMAY]

Even if you commit murder, you're still going to get 3 meals and a bed all paid for by the tax payers dollars for about 10 years. Maybe 20 if you're in California. 33 if you're a death row superstar.

Giving them immediate relief is a pretty bad punishment.

No beacuse it's perfectly acceptable for the police to drag them out onto the courtroom steps and shoot them in the head after a guilty verdict. I mean, thats only 40 cents a bullet! It's dead cheap.

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

[Alyakia]

No beacuse it's perfectly acceptable for the police to drag them out onto the courtroom steps and shoot them in the head after a guilty verdict. I mean, thats only 40 cents a bullet! It's dead cheap.

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

North Korea is pretty cool.

[The Parkus Empire]

No beacuse it's perfectly acceptable for the police to drag them out onto the courtroom steps and shoot them in the head after a guilty verdict. I mean, thats only 40 cents a bullet! It's dead cheap.

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

Ah, ah, ah. Appeals. The number of innocent people put to death without them would go up seven-fold.

[UCUMAY]

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

North Korea is pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3_Q96eJr1k

[Strykla]

I'm sorry to say that I don't much care. It's bad that innocent people die, but that cannot change as long as humans kill other humans, which will be for as long as humans exist. Nobody can change the fact that innocent people die, and as much as we can lower that number, it will stay above zero.

The deaths of innocent people to perserve a system thats rotten and unfair?
I'm sorry that makes no sense.

I'm for it simply because I believe if you murder someone, you don't deserve to have 3 free meals, a gym, TV, bed, all paid for by peoples' tax dollars. If someone takes an innocent life why do they get to keep theirs? I know its not a deterrent neither is prison really. However it is a punishment and that is what sentencing criminals should be about, punishing them. For murder, the punishment should be a short drop and sudden stop.

It shouldn't. Policies of rehabilitation and addressing the causes of the crimes is much more effective. Killing them wastes the money that could be put to those purposes.

In the words of Thomas Jefferson, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Also, do you think it's possible to rehabilitate someone that doesn't want to be rehab'd? Or someone who is psychotic, mentally unstable?

[UCUMAY]

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

Ah, ah, ah. Appeals. The number of innocent people put to death without them would go up seven-fold.

The appeals process in our country is a joke... It shouldn't be more expensive to kill them, than imprision them for the rest of their life.

[Alyakia]

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

Ah, ah, ah. Appeals. The number of innocent people put to death without them would go up seven-fold.

Hmph! Appeals are just guilty people making up excuses! In the back of the head, I say.

[Horsefish]

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

Well thats fine then. I mean I'm sure giving the government that kind of power wouldn't set a bad precident and those innocent people who die, well fuck it, they most likely going to be black and/or poor anyway. Fuck 'em, it's like natural selection!

But seriously, you can't be serious.

[UCUMAY]

Honestly I wouldn't mind that.

Well thats fine then. I mean I'm sure giving the government that kind of power wouldn't set a bad precident and those innocent people who die, well fuck it, they most likely going to be black and/or poor anyway. Fuck 'em, it's like natural selection!

But seriously, you can't be serious.

I was being vindictive.