The death penalty

[Alyakia]

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

IT KEEPS COMING UP I WONDER WHY THAT IS

Very few people is still too many. The fact that it's very few doesn't make it somehow better. It is impossible to create a system that will not result in the execution of innocents. Are you suggesting that you don't care about this?

[-St George]

It costs more to execute them.

I'm so damn sick of that argument.

A bullet costs around 8-40 cents, keeping them alive for their entire lives as well as providing security, housing, etc, costs well into the hundreds of thousands.

Execution per se doesn't cost more than keeping them alive, nobody can argue that it does. It's just all the stupid bureaucracy and endless bs appeals (which are done to satisfy you lot) added to the fact that the prisoner isn't dead yet (thus your still paying for everything I mentioned before) that make executions costly.

In other words...

appeals are what make the death penalty so expensive, the reason there are so many appeals is to satisfy the anti-death crowd (you). Ergo, executions are only expensive to satisfy you thus you can't complain about it's cost since your the reason for it.

I'm in favor of a quick bullet to the head within one week of the guilty verdict.

Nice to see you support state sanctioned murder of innocent people.

[-St George]

Uncivilised barbarians *nods*

pff....Americans aren't afraid of what a few fringe bleeding hearts have to say: We administer true justice.

What true justice? You adminisiter bigoted justice.

[The Narexian Socialist States]

pff....Americans aren't afraid of what a few fringe bleeding hearts have to say: We administer true justice.

What true justice? You adminisiter bigoted justice.

Careful, buddy.

[-St George]

What true justice? You adminisiter bigoted justice.

Careful, buddy.

It's true. A black convict is more likely to get sentenced to death than a white one, your police are institutionally racist (a problem, I'll admit, not limited to the US) and many of your judges take a 'who cares' attitude to black-on-black and other black-victim crimes.

[New Democratic Ideas]

Although personally I'm OK with it for some crimes (for instance, I feel no pity for these murderers: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference ... index.html), I think it should remain a state issue, and i'm not going to go out protesting if all the states who have the death penalty cease to use it.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

No, take the shittiness of the system into account when deciding whether or not to have a death penalty. That's the proper utilitarian response.

[-St George]

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

No, take the shittiness of the system into account when deciding whether or not to have a death penalty. That's the proper utilitarian response.

And the common sense one as well.

[The Parkus Empire]

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

The system has the expensive appeals process in place to mitigate that. A bullet in the head within one weak would make the system worse.

[UCUMAY]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

[Nature-Spirits]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

All life is equal. Everything deserves to live.

[-St George]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

Not end of story at all, actually. Cos of, you know, the problems in the system and all that.

[UCUMAY]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

All life is equal. Everything deserves to live.

I disagree. The right to live is a man made right. Living is simply a state of being that is outside of our control.

[UCUMAY]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

Not end of story at all, actually. Cos of, you know, the problems in the system and all that.

*shrug* There's problems in every system. Nothing is perfect.

[Nature-Spirits]

So if the government kills murderers what does that make the government? Murderers.

[-St George]

Not end of story at all, actually. Cos of, you know, the problems in the system and all that.

*shrug* There's problems in every system. Nothing is perfect.

So *shrug* is your reaction to the potential murder of innocent people by the state?

'K.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

All life is equal. Everything deserves to live.

Here here, esp. in this debate.

[The Parkus Empire]

Some people aren't fit to live. End of story.

Agreed, but I don't see why I should have to foot the millions each of their deaths cost, when that money could be better used to help the poor.

[UCUMAY]

*shrug* There's problems in every system. Nothing is perfect.

So *shrug* is your reaction to the potential murder of innocent people by the state?

'K.

I have faith in the modern technology. DNA makes a big difference compared to the older cases.

[Alyakia]

Not end of story at all, actually. Cos of, you know, the problems in the system and all that.

*shrug* There's problems in every system. Nothing is perfect.

If it has very severe and unavoidable problems, and there are hundreds of countries that get on just fine without it, why have it?

[UCUMAY]

*shrug* There's problems in every system. Nothing is perfect.

If it has very severe and unavoidable problems, and there are hundreds of countries that get on just fine without it, why have it?

Who am I to tell you how to run your government? You seem to want to tell me how to run mine. Slightly hypocritical I think.

[The Parkus Empire]

*shrug* There's problems in every system. Nothing is perfect.

If it has very severe and unavoidable problems, and there are hundreds of countries that get on just fine without it, why have it?

Because we're a very payback (justice) oriented society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52zRWJjdbI

[Alyakia]

If it has very severe and unavoidable problems, and there are hundreds of countries that get on just fine without it, why have it?

Who am I to tell you how to run your government? You seem to want to tell me how to run mine. Slightly hypocritical I think.

That doesn't answer the question.

[UCUMAY]

Who am I to tell you how to run your government? You seem to want to tell me how to run mine. Slightly hypocritical I think.

That doesn't answer the question.

That is my opinion of your question. Ask a different question and you will get a different answer.

[The Parkus Empire]

Who am I to tell you how to run your government? You seem to want to tell me how to run mine. Slightly hypocritical I think.

That doesn't answer the question.

If you can't comprehend taking relish in the death of a very bad person, then you just can't.