The death penalty

[Keronians]

Hm, the support for the death penalty increased during the night.

Seems like Americans tend to support the death penalty more than Europeans.

Uncivilised barbarians *nods*

I think that Japan, South Korea, and the US are the only countries in the developed world with the death penalty.

[Delanshar]

Hm, the support for the death penalty increased during the night.

Seems like Americans tend to support the death penalty more than Europeans.

Uncivilised barbarians *nods*

pff....Americans aren't afraid of what a few fringe bleeding hearts have to say: We administer true justice.

[Keronians]

It costs more to execute them.

I'm so damn sick of that argument.

A bullet costs around 8-40 cents, keeping them alive for their entire lives as well as providing security, housing, etc, costs well into the hundreds of thousands.

Execution per se doesn't cost more than keeping them alive, nobody can argue that it does. It's just all the stupid bureaucracy and endless bs appeals (which are done to satisfy you lot) added to the fact that the prisoner isn't dead yet (thus your still paying for everything I mentioned before) that make executions costly.

In other words...

appeals are what make the death penalty so expensive, the reason there are so many appeals is to satisfy the anti-death crowd (you). Ergo, executions are only expensive to satisfy you thus you can't complain about it's cost since your the reason for it.

I'm in favor of a quick bullet to the head within one week of the guilty verdict.

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

[Delanshar]

Uncivilised barbarians *nods*

I think that Japan, South Korea, and the US are the only countries in the developed world with the death penalty.

Interesting then, that Japan and the USA are also the richest

[Horsefish]

pff....Americans aren't afraid of what a few fringe bleeding hearts have to say: We administer true justice.

In your mind.

also, what about the states in America that don't ahve the death penalty? Are they scared of the 'bleeding hearts'?

[Keronians]

Uncivilised barbarians *nods*

pff....Americans aren't afraid of what a few fringe bleeding hearts have to say: We administer true justice.

Fringe. Ha. The population of Europe is much larger than the population of the US.

[Alyakia]

I think that Japan, South Korea, and the US are the only countries in the developed world with the death penalty.

Interesting then, that Japan and the USA are also the richest

Completely unrelated to their larger popuations, of course.

[Keronians]

I think that Japan, South Korea, and the US are the only countries in the developed world with the death penalty.

Interesting then, that Japan and the USA are also the richest

Which has jackshit to do with anything.

But if you want to discuss economics, then we can do it in another thread.

[Delanshar]

I'm so damn sick of that argument.

A bullet costs around 8-40 cents, keeping them alive for their entire lives as well as providing security, housing, etc, costs well into the hundreds of thousands.

Execution per se doesn't cost more than keeping them alive, nobody can argue that it does. It's just all the stupid bureaucracy and endless bs appeals (which are done to satisfy you lot) added to the fact that the prisoner isn't dead yet (thus your still paying for everything I mentioned before) that make executions costly.

In other words...

appeals are what make the death penalty so expensive, the reason there are so many appeals is to satisfy the anti-death crowd (you). Ergo, executions are only expensive to satisfy you thus you can't complain about it's cost since your the reason for it.

I'm in favor of a quick bullet to the head within one week of the guilty verdict.

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

notice I said AFTER a guilty verdict..

contrary to popular belief, an appeal isn't a new trial,

An appeal simply means that the convicted is sprouting out random reasons why they thing they shouldn't be killed "I'm old, I won't do it again- promise!" etc

[Keronians]

Interesting then, that Japan and the USA are also the richest

Completely unrelated to their larger popuations, of course.

He's wrong, actually.

Japan's per capita income is below that of many European countries.

And the US is 13th on the UN's inequality adjusted HDI.

[Alyakia]

It costs more to execute them.

I'm so damn sick of that argument.

A bullet costs around 8-40 cents, keeping them alive for their entire lives as well as providing security, housing, etc, costs well into the hundreds of thousands.

Execution per se doesn't cost more than keeping them alive, nobody can argue that it does. It's just all the stupid bureaucracy and endless bs appeals (which are done to satisfy you lot) added to the fact that the prisoner isn't dead yet (thus your still paying for everything I mentioned before) that make executions costly.

In other words...

appeals are what make the death penalty so expensive, the reason there are so many appeals is to satisfy the anti-death crowd (you). Ergo, executions are only expensive to satisfy you thus you can't complain about it's cost since your the reason for it.

I'm in favor of a quick bullet to the head within one week of the guilty verdict.

Actually, I think you'll find even rabid supporters of the death penalty support appeal systems. Fancy that.

So, you're not that much into "preventing the deaths of innocents" thing are you?

[Alyakia]

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

notice I said AFTER a guilty verdict..

contrary to popular belief, an appeal isn't a new trial,

An appeal simply means that the convicted is sprouting out random reasons why they thing they shouldn't be killed "I'm old, I won't do it again- promise!" etc

Or getting aquitted or having the charges dismissed. You'd be suprised how often that happens.

[Keronians]

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

notice I said AFTER a guilty verdict..

contrary to popular belief, an appeal isn't a new trial,

An appeal simply means that the convicted is sprouting out random reasons why they thing they shouldn't be killed "I'm old, I won't do it again- promise!" etc

Which has jackshit to do with the fact that appeals eliminate innocents from death row.

Around 8% of those on death row are wrongly convicted. Appeals process takes out 7% of them.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Completely unrelated to their larger popuations, of course.

He's wrong, actually.

Japan's per capita income is below that of many European countries.

And the US is 13th on the UN's inequality adjusted HDI.

Their GDPs are the highest

[Horsefish]

notice I said AFTER a guilty verdict..

contrary to popular belief, an appeal isn't a new trial,

An appeal simply means that the convicted is sprouting out random reasons why they thing they shouldn't be killed "I'm old, I won't do it again- promise!" etc

Because juries aren't influenced by racism/classism/other prejudices when making their decsions. There are of course no cases of innocent men being sentenced to death either

[Keronians]

He's wrong, actually.

Japan's per capita income is below that of many European countries.

And the US is 13th on the UN's inequality adjusted HDI.

Their GDPs are the highest

Per capita income is a much more accurate measure.

Also, China has a higher GDP than Japan.

GDP has nothing to do with human rights and the justice system. GDP is a measure of the productivity of a nation over one year. That's it.

[Delanshar]

notice I said AFTER a guilty verdict..

contrary to popular belief, an appeal isn't a new trial,

An appeal simply means that the convicted is sprouting out random reasons why they thing they shouldn't be killed "I'm old, I won't do it again- promise!" etc

Which has jackshit to do with the fact that appeals eliminate innocents from death row.

Around 8% of those on death row are wrongly convicted. Appeals process takes out 7% of them.

source?

[Keronians]

Which has jackshit to do with the fact that appeals eliminate innocents from death row.

Around 8% of those on death row are wrongly convicted. Appeals process takes out 7% of them.

source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ex ... #2000-2009

[Delanshar]

source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ex ... #2000-2009

Maybe we need longer trails then... for everybody..

A guilty verdict should always mean guilty beyond any doubt

[Yingtong Yiddle I Po]

pff....Americans aren't afraid of what a few fringe bleeding hearts have to say: We administer true justice.

Killing more innocents =/= "true justice". Cheers for playing though, you tried really well.

[Burtonea]

People who believe the death penalty is cheaper should read this article, if it hasn't been posted already.

After decades of moral arguments reaching biblical proportions, after long, twisted journeys to the nation’s highest court and back, the death penalty may be abandoned by several states for a reason having nothing to do with right or wrong:

Money.

Turns out, it is cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them, according to a series of recent surveys. Tens of millions of dollars cheaper, politicians are learning, during a tumbling recession when nearly every state faces job cuts and massive deficits....

Death penalty trials are more expensive for several reasons: They often require extra lawyers; there are strict experience requirements for attorneys, leading to lengthy appellate waits while capable counsel is sought for the accused; security costs are higher, as well as costs for processing evidence — DNA testing, for example, is far more expensive than simple blood analyses. After sentencing, prices continue to rise. It costs more to house death row inmates, who are held in segregated sections, in individual cells, with guards delivering everything from daily meals to toilet paper."

[The Narexian Socialist States]

Uncivilised barbarians *nods*

I think that Japan, South Korea, and the US are the only countries in the developed world with the death penalty.

China has it too and they use it alot.

[The Narexian Socialist States]

People who believe the death penalty is cheaper should read this article, if it hasn't been posted already.

After decades of moral arguments reaching biblical proportions, after long, twisted journeys to the nation’s highest court and back, the death penalty may be abandoned by several states for a reason having nothing to do with right or wrong:

Money.

Turns out, it is cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them, according to a series of recent surveys. Tens of millions of dollars cheaper, politicians are learning, during a tumbling recession when nearly every state faces job cuts and massive deficits....

Death penalty trials are more expensive for several reasons: They often require extra lawyers; there are strict experience requirements for attorneys, leading to lengthy appellate waits while capable counsel is sought for the accused; security costs are higher, as well as costs for processing evidence — DNA testing, for example, is far more expensive than simple blood analyses. After sentencing, prices continue to rise. It costs more to house death row inmates, who are held in segregated sections, in individual cells, with guards delivering everything from daily meals to toilet paper."

HEY! You're wrong. Like I said earlier, just drag 'em outside the courthouse and put two in his head. That's cheaper than anything. You dont need guards delivering them anything. Video evidence doesnt lie. So if someone gets caught doing something worthy of excution on video, that's it, case closed. Even if price of ammunition was a buck a bullet, you'd still save money.

Savage, I know but it works.

EDIT: Better yet, just declare whoever an "Enemy Of The State". No trail, no jury, just put two in his head or chop off his head with machete. F*** 'em. Done.

[Strykla]

I'm so damn sick of that argument.

A bullet costs around 8-40 cents, keeping them alive for their entire lives as well as providing security, housing, etc, costs well into the hundreds of thousands.

Execution per se doesn't cost more than keeping them alive, nobody can argue that it does. It's just all the stupid bureaucracy and endless bs appeals (which are done to satisfy you lot) added to the fact that the prisoner isn't dead yet (thus your still paying for everything I mentioned before) that make executions costly.

In other words...

appeals are what make the death penalty so expensive, the reason there are so many appeals is to satisfy the anti-death crowd (you). Ergo, executions are only expensive to satisfy you thus you can't complain about it's cost since your the reason for it.

I'm in favor of a quick bullet to the head within one week of the guilty verdict.

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

Very few potentially innocent people have been executed compared to known killers. And if that happens to not be the case, then don't blame capital punishment, blame the system.

[The Narexian Socialist States]

So we execute more innocents, amirite?

I'M SO DAMN SICK OF THAT ARGUMENT!

^^^ As am I.