Western nations push for UN sanctions against Syria

[Farnhamia]

What does Saudi Arabia being a monarchy have to do with anything? And influence it how? You tell me, since I'm pretty sure you already know the answer you want.

They are not a democratic state, therefore they dont have any obligations to do as the west commands, which wont be the case in many of this other countries.

"As the west commands ..." Of course. Damn, you weren't supposed to find that out. May I ask where you live?

[Patoma]

They are not a democratic state, therefore they dont have any obligations to do as the west commands, which wont be the case in many of this other countries.

"As the west commands ..." Of course. Damn, you weren't supposed to find that out. May I ask where you live?

stop acting like a smart something and look at my edited post. And I come and live in a democratic country, but unlike many of our leaders AND people, I want progress and what I have for this people as well. I live next door to you, Canada.

[Farnhamia]

"As the west commands ..." Of course. Damn, you weren't supposed to find that out. May I ask where you live?

stop acting like a smart something and look at my edited post. And I come and live in a democratic country, but unlike many of our leaders AND people, I want progress and what I have for this people as well. I live next door to you, Canada.

You stop acting like a know-it-all America-basher and I'll respond accordingly. I want peace and progress for people, too. Even for Canadians.

[Sulfar]

I would prefer that these states are our puppet states than China's puppet states.
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(That was a joke)

[Patoma]

stop acting like a smart something and look at my edited post. And I come and live in a democratic country, but unlike many of our leaders AND people, I want progress and what I have for this people as well. I live next door to you, Canada.

You stop acting like a know-it-all America-basher and I'll respond accordingly. I want peace and progress for people, too. Even for Canadians.

Not very evident in how you talk though. As Canadians, we are very peaceful people and we love helping, but in a different way.

[Valrez]

Are we serious here???

Egypt, Libya, now Syria???

Why are we even helping? We shouldn't be the worlds policeman.

What this will create is nothing but instability. The whole Arab world is on fire, one dictator falls after the other, it like a domino affect. Granted, these dictators are evil men, but removing them will only bring a rise to a new power. Its kinda like what happened to Russia; it had a revolution, things didn't turn out so well (Stalin's killing and the Cold war, etc.). So who will rise when all else fall. I doubt it will be a friendly, happy nation that just adores the west.

If we wanted to help the Muslim World, why didn't we help the people of Iran? At least there it would be better for us...

I believe its an instability plan, what it leads to, i don't know, but i know it won't be good.

[Patoma]

Are we serious here???

Egypt, Libya, now Syria???

Why are we even helping? We shouldn't be the worlds policeman.

What this will create is nothing but instability. The whole Arab world is on fire, one dictator falls after the other, it like a domino affect. Granted, these dictators are evil men, but removing them will only bring a rise to a new power. Its kinda like what happened to Russia; it had a revolution, things didn't turn out so well (Stalin's killing and the Cold war, etc.). So who will rise when all else fall. I doubt it will be a friendly, happy nation that just adores the west.

I must say I agree with you.

If we wanted to help the Muslim World, why didn't we help the people of Iran? At least there it would be better for us...

I believe its an instability plan, what it leads to, i don't know, but i know it won't be good.

[Farnhamia]

You stop acting like a know-it-all America-basher and I'll respond accordingly. I want peace and progress for people, too. Even for Canadians.

Not very evident in how you talk though. As Canadians, we are very peaceful people and we love helping, but in a different way.

How should I sound, when all you've done is repeat the same old "America wants to take over the world and take every country's resources"?

[Patoma]

Not very evident in how you talk though. As Canadians, we are very peaceful people and we love helping, but in a different way.

How should I sound, when all you've done is repeat the same old "America wants to take over the world and take every country's resources"?

Is that not true?

[Farnhamia]

How should I sound, when all you've done is repeat the same old "America wants to take over the world and take every country's resources"?

Is that not true?

No, it isn't true. If you believe that we are genuinely out to do that, you are being willfully ignorant and I can't talk to you.

[Valrez]

Is that not true?

No, it isn't true. If you believe that we are genuinely out to do that, you are being willfully ignorant and I can't talk to you.

We don't. The politicians ....maybe???

[EnragedMaldivians]

What does Saudi Arabia being a monarchy have to do with anything? And influence it how? You tell me, since I'm pretty sure you already know the answer you want.

They are not a puppet state, therefore they dont have any obligations to do as the west commands, which wont be the case in many of this other countries.

Unfortunately not, but if the monarchy want American military protection against other gulf states, they'll do their job as a swing producer oil state and keep the price of that commodity low, and they might even stubbornly listen when the U.S pressures them regarding their domestic/social policies.

See, to an extent you are right; the West but particularly the U.S, does excersice a considerable sphere of influence and diplomatic leverage which they use for their own self-interest. I don't particularly see this as a bad thing in general; but when it comes to Syria, I dunno.

Trying to effect regime change in Syria seems to me like hastily grasping at an opportunity to isolate Iran by depriving them of their main regional ally and proxy for funding hezbo'llah, while not paying enough attention to the very pertinent history of the Syrian Muslim brotherhood and Sunni Islamist discontentment against the Alawite dominated Ba'ath regime. I'm worried that whatever regime manifests post Assad would be decidedly less secular, and would only emerge after a protracted period of sectarian conflict. Furthermore, I think Syria's religious minorities would fare better under Assads rule continuing to be honest.

[Farnhamia]

No, it isn't true. If you believe that we are genuinely out to do that, you are being willfully ignorant and I can't talk to you.

We don't. The politicians ....maybe???

No. Act like an adult.

[Patoma]

Is that not true?

No, it isn't true. If you believe that we are genuinely out to do that, you are being willfully ignorant and I can't talk to you.

sure. lol

You want to believe that too, but you have been brainwashed just like 90% of Americans.

[Lynx Islands]

How effective do you think sanction will be on Syria?

How effective were sanctions on Iraq?

Depends what your objectives we were measuring against. It did contain him and, as we knew now but failed to acknowledge ten years ago, pretty much completely shut down his WMD programs. What it didn't do is topple him nor curb his appetite for genocide and ethnic cleaning against the Kurds, Yazidi and Marsh Arab populations. It also put tremendous pressure on the population who's education system virtually collapsed during the period of Western sanctions and infrastructure such as Hospitals fell into decay. I don't think we can expect a much better outcome from sanctions against Syria.

[Patoma]

How effective were sanctions on Iraq?

Depends what your objectives we were measuring against. It did contain him and, as we knew now but failed to acknowledge ten years ago, pretty much completely shut down his WMD programs. What it didn't do is topple him nor curb his appetite for genocide and ethnic cleaning against the Kurds, Yazidi and Marsh Arab populations. It also put tremendous pressure on the population who's education system virtually collapsed during the period of Western sanctions and infrastructure such as Hospitals fell into decay. I don't think we can expect a much better outcome from sanctions against Syria.

So what you are saying is that sanction is not going to be effective in preventing Assad from committing More genocide? Under what circumstantial can we expect sanction to work against Assad or it just will never work? Does anyone have any idea on how to get rid of him?

[North Calaveras]

No, it isn't true. If you believe that we are genuinely out to do that, you are being willfully ignorant and I can't talk to you.

sure. lol

You want to believe that too, but you have been brainwashed just like 90% of Americans.

If we really wanted to be imperialist we could do it, not many others would actually try to stop us. Say we wanted to steamroll the middle east, it is definable possible for the United States to do it, this whole "We can't sustain it!" is bullshit, we might have to ration some things, but if we really wanted to we could kick the shit out of everyone their. The world is lucky to have us as its remaining superpower.

[Farnhamia]

sure. lol

You want to believe that too, but you have been brainwashed just like 90% of Americans.

If we really wanted to be imperialist we could do it, not many others would actually try to stop us. Say we wanted to steamroll the middle east, it is definable possible for the United States to do it, this whole "We can't sustain it!" is bullshit, we might have to ration some things, but if we really wanted to we could kick the shit out of everyone their. The world is lucky to have us as its remaining superpower.

Yeah, he doesn't actually care, you know.

[Andaluciae]

If we really wanted to be imperialist we could do it, not many others would actually try to stop us. Say we wanted to steamroll the middle east, it is definable possible for the United States to do it, this whole "We can't sustain it!" is bullshit, we might have to ration some things, but if we really wanted to we could kick the shit out of everyone their. The world is lucky to have us as its remaining superpower.

Yeah, he doesn't actually care, you know.

He misses completely the fact that American foreign policy is, essentially, set by random occurrences of national whimsy, and not anything particularly strategic.

[Farnhamia]

Yeah, he doesn't actually care, you know.

He misses completely the fact that American foreign policy is, essentially, set by random occurrences of national whimsy, and not anything particularly strategic.