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Western nations push for UN sanctions against Syria

Postby Patoma » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:38 pm

Western nations are circulating a draft resolution among Security Council members that calls for the United Nations to impose sanctions on President Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria.

Britain, France, Germany and Portugal drafted the measure with strong backing from the United States. The draft resolution calls for the UNSC to freeze the assets of Assad and 22 members of his regime. Syria's General Intelligence Directorate and three companies that fund the government would also be subject to sanctions.

The draft also calls for an arms embargo that would forbid "the direct or indirect supply, sale or transfer to Syria… of all arms and related material" as well as arms exports by Syria.

Russia, one of the five veto-wielding Security Council members, has reacted skeptically to the draft resolution. Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said that Moscow did not believe it was time for sanctions to be imposed against Damascus.

China said on Tuesday that the situation in Syria required more dialogue.

"The parties involved should seek to peacefully and properly resolve the issue through dialogue and consultations," Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said. "The future of Syria should be decided by Syria itself."
The UNSC previously condemned the violence in Syria in a statement

The Security Council condemned the violence in Syria on August 3 in a statement, which carries less political weight than a resolution.

Pressure growing

The draft resolution comes after a flurry of international diplomacy aimed at addressing the bloody government crackdown on opposition protesters in Syria.

On Monday, the United Nations Human Rights Council called for an international investigation into alleged human rights violations in Syria. Thirty-three members of the 46 nation council voted in favor of that measure, including all four of the current Arab member states: Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said the body's previous fact-finding mission had detected a "pattern of systematic widespread human rights violations in Syria."

"There are indications that that the pattern of violations continues to this day," Pillay said. "It is our assessment that the scale and nature of these acts may amount to a crime against humanity."

On Thursday, US President Barack Obama publicly called on Assad to step down for the first time. Britain, France, Germany and Spain quickly followed suit.

The US subsequently tightened its sanctions regime by freezing Syrian assets and targeting Syrian oil companies. On Tuesday, the EU agreed to expand its sanctions to include 15 additional Assad associates and five more companies.

According UN rights chief Pillay, 2,200 people have been killed since the mass protests began last March.

Author: Spencer Kimball (AFP, dpa, Reuters)
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How effective do you think sanction will be on Syria?

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Postby Greater Cabinda » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:41 pm

Russia and China have got to be pissed.
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Postby Andaluciae » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:45 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:Russia and China have got to be pissed.


Assad is yet another one of those douchebag world leaders that China and Russia love to coddle, because they buy a boatload of surplus military hardware.
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Postby Patoma » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:50 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:Russia and China have got to be pissed.


Assad is yet another one of those douchebag world leaders that China and Russia love to coddle, because they buy a boatload of surplus military hardware
My perspective is all those countries need to have sanctions slap on their back.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:53 pm

Mature Related wrote:western imperialism.

Yes, because not selling guns to someone who kills their own people is imperialistic.
We will quickly control their country when...All the guns they have currently quit working.

We Western powers must be damn good at long-range planning (and here I thought we were making this shit up as we went along! Silly me.)
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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:54 pm

Mature Related wrote:western imperialism.


Care to explain the reasoning behind that beyond "I don't like the West"?
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The Romulan Republic wrote:
Mature Related wrote:western imperialism.


Care to explain the reasoning behind that beyond "I don't like the West"?

The rest of the world do not like the west.

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Postby The Romulan Republic » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:14 pm

Patoma wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
Care to explain the reasoning behind that beyond "I don't like the West"?

The rest of the world do not like the west.


To some extent that is true. But saying something is Imperialism simply because the West does it is dishonest, bigoted, and intellectually lazy.
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Postby Autash » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:20 pm

Patoma wrote:How effective do you think sanction will be on Syria?


How effective were sanctions on Iraq?
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Postby Calimera » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:56 am

Autash wrote:
Patoma wrote:How effective do you think sanction will be on Syria?


How effective were sanctions on Iraq?


This are two really different countries.
Syria can't survive without the international investments.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:08 am

Mature Related wrote:Western Imperialism.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:11 am

Mature Related wrote:western imperialism.

Yup. I don't understand how Western guys can despise other countries' culture so much, they even want dictators to stop bombing unarmed protesters.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:12 am

Patoma wrote:The rest of the world do not like the west.

Except for those boatloads and trainloads and planeloads of people from the rest-of-the-world who want immigrate in the "West", I guess.
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Postby Stonec » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:14 am

I say we let Turkey sort this out. Even with a sodomized army leadership, I'm pretty sure they can walk all over Assad and his army. Even if they don't, America can fire up it's Military Industrial complex and make money off of what would likely become a long and bloody guerilla war by selling Turkey all the old M-16's lying about. Solve regional instability AND save the world economy! Plus, with all the war journalists, we could televise the whole event and spin a tidy profit from the increased viewership; Think of the Ratings! Series 1 of Land War; Asia Minor could be out by Christmas.

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Postby Sovereign Spirits » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:03 am

If the UN weren't so busy trying to disarm the world's law-abiding population (which was a hot topic this July, funny how only after that was over they got around to this), maybe they would've noticed sooner. Maybe, this wouldn't even be the same kind of problem it is today. Just maybe, wouldn't you think?

Anyway, pushing for sanctions is pretty much the default for this stuff, even though it is one of the worst and most useless things you can do. Of course, they know this. And of course, they probably will do it. I wouldn't be surprised if the effect of the sanctions is a populace that is weakened and thus ceases to protest. What a convenient "unintended consequence". We'll see how things go.

No surprise either that the EU agrees, too. The article mentioned it as if it were one huge nation, which unsurprisingly, is exactly what's happened. States demoted to states. The US is hardly in a better position, with nearly every President pulling the same sort of BS. It's ridiculous and infuriating.

What's going on in Syria definitely is too, but it's also entirely expected. I mean, who didn't see this coming from a mile away? That is a country you think of when you mention democide. China is a big one, too. Both those countries, as well as many others on the planet, are in need of some serious rebellion. Unfortunately, more often than not, the need for rebellion comes when a Government is emboldened by the fact that it has disarmed its own citizens and that they can't shoot back. The best way to put them in their place is to arm the citizenry. They'll take care of the rest, now and in the future as well.
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Postby Patoma » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:39 am

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Patoma wrote: The rest of the world do not like the west.


To some extent that is true. But saying something is Imperialism simply because the West does it is dishonest, bigoted, and intellectually lazy.


Perhaps you can enlighten me.

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Risottia wrote:
Mature Related wrote:western imperialism.

Yup. I don't understand how Western guys can despise other countries' culture so much, they even want dictators to stop bombing unarmed protesters.


So what are you saying is that they should continue to bomb the peaceful protesters?

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:44 am

Patoma wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:
To some extent that is true. But saying something is Imperialism simply because the West does it is dishonest, bigoted, and intellectually lazy.


Perhaps you can enlighten me.

You seem to have taken the position that whatever the West does is at best duplicitous and at worst naked imperialism, simply because the West does it. Is that not so?
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Mature Related wrote:western imperialism.


here we go again . . .
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:57 am

Patoma wrote:
Risottia wrote:Yup. I don't understand how Western guys can despise other countries' culture so much, they even want dictators to stop bombing unarmed protesters.


So what are you saying is that they should continue to bomb the peaceful protesters?

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Postby Patoma » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:03 pm

It is clear that only party that will benefit from such imposive sanction will be the Western society and there alies. bWhy has it taken then so long to issue a formal condemnation on the situation in syria?

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:06 pm

Patoma wrote:It is clear that only party that will benefit from such imposive sanction will be the Western society and there alies. bWhy has it taken then so long to issue a formal condemnation on the situation in syria?

The printer at the UN was out of paper? "Libya" is alphabetically before "Syria"? Assad said he'd be nice just as soon as the protesters stopped making so much noise?

As for sanctions, explain how only the West and "their allies" will benefit, please. I think you meant "running dog lackeys," didn't you?
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Postby Patoma » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:14 pm

After all this war, I presume that they will try to get Libya and all the other countries that had a revolution to brow huge loan from the IMF to try to improve their countries, but it will be also clear that the intentions of this nations will be to tax them highly so that they will continue to eat under them for a long time to come. This will give the Western power a place to generate revenue to rebuild their dilapidated economy.

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Postby Patoma » Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:19 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Patoma wrote:It is clear that only party that will benefit from such imposive sanction will be the Western society and there alies. bWhy has it taken then so long to issue a formal condemnation on the situation in syria?

The printer at the UN was out of paper? "Libya" is alphabetically before "Syria"? Assad said he'd be nice just as soon as the protesters stopped making so much noise?

As for sanctions, explain how only the West and "their allies" will benefit, please. I think you meant "running dog lackeys," didn't you?


As for the sanction, It is also clear they can pressure Assad into relinquishment power then they can implant their puppets that they will be able to control as they want.

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