NATION

PASSWORD

92% of Americans want to live in Sweden.

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Should the distribution of wealth in the US be more like that in Sweden?

I am a US American and I would prefer the Swedish wealth distribution to the US one.
51
24%
I am not a US American and I would prefer the Swedish wealth distribution to the the US one.
36
17%
I am a US American and I would prefer the US wealth distribution to the the Swedish one.
35
16%
I am not a US American and I would prefer the US wealth distribution to the Swedish one.
10
5%
I am a cockeyed internet retard who votes for the stupidest option I can can see on any poll, and I vote more than once too!
16
8%
I am a nice person, who checks the poll result before voting, and casts my vote for whatever option is coming last. So we can all be friends.
12
6%
Polls are a load of fashist bullcrap! Democracy is fashist bullcrap! Fuck you poll, fuck you domecracy!
20
9%
Hey! Ailiailia let me vote twice and also change my vote later! How cool is that??
33
15%
 
Total votes : 213

User avatar
Cannot think of a name
Post Czar
 
Posts: 41663
Founded: Antiquity
New York Times Democracy

Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:28 pm

Lessnt wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, I mean c'mon, we started a revolution because we didn't want to pay taxes to cover the cost of protecting the colonists from all the natives they were pissing off. At least we're consistent. /oversimplification

What a glorious past.
We come to a new land.
Steal some of it.
Fight one of the most powerful empires.
In the end we win.
We make a country.
Then take more land.
Then improve our country.
Then we had a civil war.
Oh how bloody that was.
Then we fought some more wars.
Then we fought in the world wars and took advantage of the situation afterward.
Then instead of truly being an empire....we decide to be nice.
Thus we continue to have propaganda thrown at us while we are the most charitable country in the world that helps the world.Much of the donations come from the individuals whom have nothing to gain.
Such a nice wannabe empire we are.
We show individuality.
WE arent like those other powers were use to....we actually let you abuse us without getting all genocidal on you...even though we could....quite easily...

If this massive oversimplification wasn't in response to one of my own it wouldn't be so awkward for me to challenge this characterization...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

User avatar
The Black Forrest
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 55614
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:29 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Does old analogies work anymore in the global economy?

If the village is in the US, odds are the billionaire is busy creating jobs in cheaper countries.

Whatever. The locals need stuff, and will pay for stuff, creating both stuff, and jobs. I was a rather simplistic explanation that equality is not everything.


That's true; but there are only so many low wage part time jobs to go around.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

User avatar
Intellectual Pornography
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 16
Founded: Aug 17, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Intellectual Pornography » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:That's true; but there are only so many low wage part time jobs to go around.

That's not true. We can farm the fucking ocean for kelp and seaweed.

User avatar
The Black Forrest
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 55614
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:31 pm

Italiani a Roma wrote:Let them go to Sweden. More America for the real Americans.


Derp.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:32 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Whatever. The locals need stuff, and will pay for stuff, creating both stuff, and jobs. I was a rather simplistic explanation that equality is not everything.


That's true; but there are only so many low wage part time jobs to go around.

Do you not understand the comparison? I am confused. Assuming all prices in the two villages were the same, obviously the far less equal group of people were a lot better off. 10 times, if we go by the median number, as averages tend to skew numbers to a very large degree.
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
The Black Forrest
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 55614
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:35 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's true; but there are only so many low wage part time jobs to go around.

Do you not understand the comparison? I am confused. Assuming all prices in the two villages were the same, obviously the far less equal group of people were a lot better off. 10 times, if we go by the median number, as averages tend to skew numbers to a very large degree.


Oh sorry. I am battling a cold so I am a little drugged up.

Reading does help sometimes. I think I went off on a tangent.

So ignore it :)
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

User avatar
Solyhniya
Minister
 
Posts: 2572
Founded: Jan 17, 2007
Ex-Nation

Postby Solyhniya » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:36 pm

Shaoyuan wrote:
Meridiani Planum wrote:
Yes, that is perfectly fine, as long as they come to that wealth through honest means, and not government redistribution.

:roll:


More capitalist dogma, great.
The Democratic Hetmanate of Solynia
Демократичне Гетьманство Солинії
The Pan-Slavic Union State Embassies
Dimoniquid wrote:Dear God, Solyhniya, you kick so much ass!

Skaladora wrote:Christians in general and Catholics in particular should stop giving more weight to the words of random morons, and listen more closely to what the guy they believe to have been the son of God has been saying.

United human countries wrote:Funniest joke is one you don't have to explain.

Unless they don't get it.

New Nicksyllvania - Unjustly Deleted 4/2/11

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:42 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Do you not understand the comparison? I am confused. Assuming all prices in the two villages were the same, obviously the far less equal group of people were a lot better off. 10 times, if we go by the median number, as averages tend to skew numbers to a very large degree.


Oh sorry. I am battling a cold so I am a little drugged up.

Reading does help sometimes. I think I went off on a tangent.

So ignore it :)

Hey did you ever get that TG from me? Did you not respond because you didn't want to respond like I said you don't have to or did you lose it somehow?
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
The Black Forrest
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 55614
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:43 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh sorry. I am battling a cold so I am a little drugged up.

Reading does help sometimes. I think I went off on a tangent.

So ignore it :)

Hey did you ever get that TG from me? Did you not respond because you didn't want to respond like I said you don't have to or did you lose it somehow?


Er? Let me check. I don't always check the TGs as I get many "join this region" requests.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Hey did you ever get that TG from me? Did you not respond because you didn't want to respond like I said you don't have to or did you lose it somehow?


Er? Let me check. I don't always check the TGs as I get many "join this region" requests.

That's what happens when you are in Lazarus or the Pacifics.
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:56 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:This is so stupid...it doesn't even take into account actual wealth, just the distribution. Who cares about distribution? What an idiotic, misleading poll. Obviously PBS has no agenda at all. [/sarcasm] The fact that anybody gives this nonsense any credit at all should really be embarassing for all americans. :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm: :palm:


Wealth distribution is important. For political stability and a show of real wealth.

It's also beneficial for consumption and demand and supply.
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:57 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Er? Let me check. I don't always check the TGs as I get many "join this region" requests.

That's what happens when you are in Lazarus or the Pacifics.


Oh God, tell me about it.

Half my TGs are:

"Hey, I know you've been around some time now, but it's never too late to change regions! :D"

*sigh*
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Realisim
Envoy
 
Posts: 218
Founded: Mar 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Realisim » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:03 pm

When the top 2% controls more than half yeah there is a slight problem

As a logical thinker remove the "want to live part" and add something along the lines of "prefer the wealth distribution of"

That and 92% of Americans would have a hell of a time pointing out Sweden on a map, let alone logically coming to the conclusion that their socio-economic wealth distribution is much more level than ours.
Last edited by Realisim on Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
“I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.”
― Robert Frost

Economic Left/Right: 7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

User avatar
Robert Magoo
Minister
 
Posts: 2927
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Robert Magoo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:04 pm

Keronians wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:That's what happens when you are in Lazarus or the Pacifics.


Oh God, tell me about it.

Half my TGs are:

"Hey, I know you've been around some time now, but it's never too late to change regions! :D"

*sigh*

Why not just do what they want so you don't have to be harassed anymore?
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

User avatar
Robert Magoo
Minister
 
Posts: 2927
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Robert Magoo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:06 pm

Realisim wrote:That and 92% of Americans would have a hell of a time pointing out Sweden on a map, let alone logically coming to the conclusion that their socio-economic wealth distribution is much more level than ours.

Ridiculous. Americans aren't that stupid. Primary education may not be as good as a lot of european countries, but it's not like the US is full of morons.
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:06 pm

Keronians wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:That's what happens when you are in Lazarus or the Pacifics.


Oh God, tell me about it.

Half my TGs are:

"Hey, I know you've been around some time now, but it's never too late to change regions! :D"

*sigh*

Forrest is in Lazarus and you are in the Pacifics. What do you guys expect? I don;t get any TGs like that.
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:08 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
Realisim wrote:That and 92% of Americans would have a hell of a time pointing out Sweden on a map, let alone logically coming to the conclusion that their socio-economic wealth distribution is much more level than ours.

Ridiculous. Americans aren't that stupid. Primary education may not be as good as a lot of european countries, but it's not like the US is full of morons.

Sweden is easy to find. It's the dick on the euro.
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:09 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
Realisim wrote:That and 92% of Americans would have a hell of a time pointing out Sweden on a map, let alone logically coming to the conclusion that their socio-economic wealth distribution is much more level than ours.

Ridiculous. Americans aren't that stupid. Primary education may not be as good as a lot of european countries, but it's not like the US is full of morons.


This brings me back to my long rant on US education.

It's like this: the US spends the second most per pupil to obtain the 20th best results in the developed world.

What do you think is structurally wrong?
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Robert Magoo
Minister
 
Posts: 2927
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Robert Magoo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:12 pm

Keronians wrote:
Robert Magoo wrote:Ridiculous. Americans aren't that stupid. Primary education may not be as good as a lot of european countries, but it's not like the US is full of morons.


This brings me back to my long rant on US education.

It's like this: the US spends the second most per pupil to obtain the 20th best results in the developed world.

What do you think is structurally wrong?

I really don't know, to be honest. I think vouchers would help dramatically, but I'm not sure why public schools are such failures in the US. They weren't always...
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:16 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
Keronians wrote:
This brings me back to my long rant on US education.

It's like this: the US spends the second most per pupil to obtain the 20th best results in the developed world.

What do you think is structurally wrong?

I really don't know, to be honest. I think vouchers would help dramatically, but I'm not sure why public schools are such failures in the US. They weren't always...

This.

Also, not all public schools are failures. Some are very good. Our best public schools are better than most private schools. Of course they are "special" schools, with entrance exams and so on.

However, our regular best public schools (geographical entry) are still very, very good.
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
Serrvia Terria Primmeriuss
Attaché
 
Posts: 69
Founded: Jul 25, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Serrvia Terria Primmeriuss » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:18 pm

I don't know about the whole wealth distribution thing, but I lovz the Swedish girlz. 8)

Image


No offense to the Brits.
Last edited by Serrvia Terria Primmeriuss on Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Ruler: Grand Duke Primus Edward Valorum
Capital: Aluanxi
Government: Absolute Monarchy
National Religion: Christian Primitivism
Tech Level: Fantasy Tech, Dieselpunk, Partly Steampunk

The Serrvian Colony of Magma Cauldron | Factbook To Come Soon | The Serrvian Colony of Gelaris
The correct demonym is Serrvian.

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:20 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Robert Magoo wrote:I really don't know, to be honest. I think vouchers would help dramatically, but I'm not sure why public schools are such failures in the US. They weren't always...

This.

Also, not all public schools are failures. Some are very good. Our best public schools are better than most private schools. Of course they are "special" schools, with entrance exams and so on.

However, our regular best public schools (geographical entry) are still very, very good.


I'm not quite sure why vouchers aren't allowed in the US.

That, and I'm not quite sure why a child's parents can't choose the public school they want their kid to attend, rather than have to have him go to a particular one.
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
The Merchant Republics
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8503
Founded: Oct 25, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby The Merchant Republics » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:23 pm

This a rather uninspiring discovery.

Of course the majority of people in the world would prefer that the poor had a higher distribution of wealth. The question asked is literally the equivalent of "Would you prefer to have more money? Or less?" in the minds of most people. It's almost asinine to think this means anything significant.
Your Resident Gentleman and Libertarian; presently living in the People's Republic of China, which is if anyone from the Party asks "The Best and Also Only China".
Christian Libertarian Autarchist: like an Anarchist but with more "Aut".
Social: Authoritarian/Libertarian (-8.55)
Economic: Left/Right (7.55)
We are the premiere of civilization, the beacon of liberty, the font of prosperity and the ever illuminating light of culture in this hellish universe.
In short: Elitist Wicked Cultured Free Market Anarchists living in a Diesel-Deco World.

Now Fearing: Mandarin Lessons from Cantonese teachers.
Factbook (FT)|Art Gallery|Embassy Program

User avatar
Robert Magoo
Minister
 
Posts: 2927
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Robert Magoo » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:23 pm

Sibirsky wrote:Some are very good.

Of course I was generalizing. The school district that I belonged to was very good, considered among the best in the state. But I know that it doesn't represent the majority. American public schools aren't that bad, but they aren't that good either, especially considering the amount of money that goes into them.
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

User avatar
Realisim
Envoy
 
Posts: 218
Founded: Mar 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Realisim » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:24 pm

“I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.”
― Robert Frost

Economic Left/Right: 7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: American Legionaries, Benjium, Cannot think of a name, DutchFormosa, Fartsniffage, Galloism, Gravlen, Ifreann, Necroghastia, Pizza Friday Forever91, Rusozak, Ryemarch, The Crimson Isles

Advertisement

Remove ads