Your view on The EU

[Norstal]

Because 800 years of British rule, then to go straight into god know how many years of European Rule?? People want a sovereign Ireland!

Har har, because a sovereign Ireland has done so well lately, am I right? Nationalism is just stupid. Why can't you be like the Welsh? They never complain.

The Welsh complains. It's just that you can't understand them.

Although as a coin collector, I am somewhat pissed that so many coins got obliterated so quickly.

Ummm...that's going to increase the value of the coins.

Unless you haven't got the coins yet, which I guess, sucks for you.

Though I doubt the collapse of the EU means the collapse of the Eurozone. I don't know that much about European politics.

[Caerlia]

Fuck that. I would probably try to get Ireland to split from that.

Why?

What, exactly, is so wrong with a federal Europe?

Why don't you want to be an economic and military superpower? Why don't you want to be larger geographically? Why don't you want to have a stronger government?

They said that to the Soviets in 1991, and they still opted out...

[Johz]

What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

NatSov is overated, says the non-interventionist IntFed'er. Still, the Euro is a nightmare, and I do wonder if the trade regulations are doing the opposite of what they are meant to. For in principle, against in practice, probably.

[The House of Petain]

Has great potential and is a noble idea, but I'm afraid a federal Europe won't happen for some time. Member states can choose to ignore laws, and until then, the EU institutions are mostly symbolic, lacking any actual power. They remind me of the thirteen states under the Articles of Confederation.

[Lessnt]

Has great potential and is a noble idea, but I'm afraid a federal Europe won't happen for some time. Member states can choose to ignore laws, and until then, the EU institutions are mostly symbolic, lacking any actual power. They remind me of the thirteen states under the Articles of Confederation.

Get serious and have your massive Civil War already.

[Idealismania]

Seems like a United Europe would be able to compete better on the international market with larger nations like the US, China, and India. Seems to me being united is always better than being separate. I'm pretty sure if the US was broken into 50 different countries, their collective wealth wouldn't be close to the amount of wealth the US could generate now.

[Vecherd]

The EU is not good and we should definitively work against the bureaucratic takeover of Europe, I do not want to get sucked into the EU paying for the Greek governments incompetence, I pay enough for the Norwegian governments incompetence.

[The House of Petain]

Has great potential and is a noble idea, but I'm afraid a federal Europe won't happen for some time. Member states can choose to ignore laws, and until then, the EU institutions are mostly symbolic, lacking any actual power. They remind me of the thirteen states under the Articles of Confederation.

Get serious and have your massive Civil War already.

Actually I think that's inevitable for Europe if it is to become a true union.

[United World Order]

EU= Capitalist Order that will reign down terror apon Europe and are dealing with the Jews to take over the world

[Aethelstania]

Has great potential and is a noble idea, but I'm afraid a federal Europe won't happen for some time. Member states can choose to ignore laws, and until then, the EU institutions are mostly symbolic, lacking any actual power. They remind me of the thirteen states under the Articles of Confederation.

How is the idea of a federal Europe noble?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Economic cooperation is a very good idea. Regionalism is a sensible way to try to insulate an area from the worst effects of globalization. Political union is unnecessary and lacks a sufficient continuing mandate in many members states to be legitimate. I don't think it can be saved and reverted to an economic union now, so I guess I'd advocate my country withdrawing and signing extensive free trade agreements.

[The House of Petain]

Has great potential and is a noble idea, but I'm afraid a federal Europe won't happen for some time. Member states can choose to ignore laws, and until then, the EU institutions are mostly symbolic, lacking any actual power. They remind me of the thirteen states under the Articles of Confederation.

How is the idea of a federal Europe noble?

Because it beats all you Europeans fighting every few decades when your pride gets butthurt?

Also this:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a ... opean-wars

[Aethelstania]

Seems like a United Europe would be able to compete better on the international market with larger nations like the US, China, and India. Seems to me being united is always better than being separate. I'm pretty sure if the US was broken into 50 different countries, their collective wealth wouldn't be close to the amount of wealth the US could generate now.

Do European countries have trouble competing in international markets? Britain, France and Germany despite their huge deficits and debts are still some of the richest countries in the world. A united Europe would be damaging on an international level as the EU is incredibly insular and forgets the rest of the world, also their is such a huge diversity in personal wealth amongst EU members it would just be divisive.

[Aethelstania]

How is the idea of a federal Europe noble?

Because it beats all you Europeans fighting every few decades when your pride gets butthurt?

Also this:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a ... opean-wars

If Europe needs to be connected federal to prevent it from going to war with itself ? Then I dont want my country to be associciated with them. We've done well for 70 years!

[The House of Petain]

Because it beats all you Europeans fighting every few decades when your pride gets butthurt?

Also this:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-a ... opean-wars

If Europe needs to be connected federal to prevent it from going to war with itself ? Then I dont want my country to be associciated with them. We've done well for 70 years!

You've done well for 70 years because America gave you a shitload of money after the war and made your markets dependent on one another.

[United Casio]

Because 800 years of British rule, then to go straight into god know how many years of European Rule?? People want a sovereign Ireland!

Har har, because a sovereign Ireland has done so well lately, am I right? Nationalism is just stupid. Why can't you be like the Welsh? They never complain.

It hasn't done well lately, but before that, The Celtic Tiger was in full swing, until Brian Cowen came to power.

[Morrdh]

If it was just the Council of Europe (EU without the law making and common governance) and a trade agreement then I wouldn't mind it.

Alas, tis not.

Britain pays the highest amount towards the EU and gets alot less in return compared to over countries, we also gave the ESA a rocket that actually worked only for the French to nick it and claim it as their own.

[Lessnt]

Get serious and have your massive Civil War already.

Actually I think that's inevitable for Europe if it is to become a true union.

That is hope it worked for the US.
Get your civil war out of the way and your closer for it.
Assuming you have a clear winner and loser.

[Natty Narwhal]

A noble effort, but it'll inevitably collapse into wars and deceit or it'll try to conglomerate.

[The Matthew Islands]

As for the referendum; secession is illegal in Spain.

Why does Spain hate freedom?

Because its not an authoritarian asshole trying to force its will on people like Britain.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The amount of people saying "a war will solve it!" is rather disappointing.

We are not going to go shooting each other just because you think it might speed up some political processes. That is a terrible reason to have millions of people die.

[Aethelstania]

If Europe needs to be connected federal to prevent it from going to war with itself ? Then I dont want my country to be associciated with them. We've done well for 70 years!

You've done well for 70 years because America gave you a shitload of money after the war and made your markets dependent on one another.

Well the 70 years thing was a joke but then I guess Americans don't understand sarcasm , Plus you giving Europe money is the only thing that stopped war in Europe ? There has been no war because the last two were so terrible - I think Europe is actually relatively warred out! Also Im not sure about the rest of Europe but the UK isn't dependent on our European 'partners' a statistic thrown out at Eurosceptics is that "oh 65 or 75% of trade is within the EU". This fails to mention that most of that trade is within the UK.

[Aethelstania]

Why does Spain hate freedom?

Because its not an authoritarian asshole trying to force its will on people like Britain.

lol explain ?

[Zeth Rekia]

Don't think it's going to last.

If it does, Zeno'll be surprised. Then again, this is just pessimism.

[Lessnt]

The amount of people saying "a war will solve it!" is rather disappointing.

We are not going to go shooting each other just because you think it might speed up some political processes. That is a terrible reason to have millions of people die.

It will happen eventually.And millions will die also.