Your view on The EU

[Trixiestan]

As long as it doesnt involve Ukraine and Russia I don't care.

Doesn't Ukraine want to join the EU?

It did, but I'm not sure if it still does. As far as I know, the current President is very Pro-Russian (he was the guy that got ousted in the Orange Revolution) and the former Pro-Western President (Yulia Tymoshenko~) is currently on trial for "abuse of power".

[Chyeknovostan Republic]

As long as it doesnt involve Ukraine and Russia I don't care.

Doesn't Ukraine want to join the EU?

-Loads artillery- Not if I have anything to do with it, Leave my country out of it.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

STUPID STUPID STUPID. The EU is all stupid, when the stupid euro goes into crisis.... the whole EU will fail and the world will plunge into an economic disaster and everybody will be dying from starvation and begging for food and it will be a world disaster.

TAX THE POOR
FEED THE RICH
ONLY BUY GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED PRODUCTS

And I ask, why the heck didn't the US attack Canada, we could have got so much land then. Then force the Mexicans to learn English.

The Euro will destroy the world... don't let it happen

Ok kiddo, here's the deal. This post here? Smiliespam at the very least, outrageous accusations and statements, and basically looking like you're just here to hit and run with it all. Which generally seems to be a troll attempt. You're new so far as I can tell. You've a clean record so far, so count this as your notice to knock it off, and try to contribute with something of substance, or not at all. Grazie.

[Rupture Farms co]

EU is gonna collapse soon. Its all whether Germany is willing to pay everybody for debt they have nothing to do with. And good riddance to a system of socialism and overlordship.

[Alyakia]

EU is gonna collapse soon. Its all whether Germany is willing to pay everybody for debt they have nothing to do with. And good riddance to a system of socialism and overlordship.

Show me some of the socialist policies of the EU.

[Moral Libertarians]

The fantastical (and slightly insane) part of my mind would like to see it collapse.

But the rest of my mind, even though I absolutely detest it, recognises that it would be a disaster if the Euro collapsed. However, the question is whether the Euro can survive.

Yeah, I was answering that bit. I think the Euro will be able to survive, at least for the next few decades, if it had a fund capable of issuing debt for the entire Eurozone.

Said fund could also act to liquidate Greece, Portugal and the like.

Not to mention that the ECB's job would become much easier.

A "Eurobond" will inevitably rated lower than AAA, unless the burden of repayments is to fall on Germany. Then it just becomes a loan from Germany to the southerners, with a third party (bond buyers) in-between. Any obligation which puts some of the responsibility for interest on Greece, Italy, Spain etc. is going to receive a slightly-less-than warm welcome on the markets.

That's what I think anyway.

[Rupture Farms co]

EU is gonna collapse soon. Its all whether Germany is willing to pay everybody for debt they have nothing to do with. And good riddance to a system of socialism and overlordship.

Show me some of the socialist policies of the EU.

Bailing out stupid countries like Greece and Ireland.

[Zoingo]

The EU is just a massive joke. Out of all the chatter that comes out of Brussels my favorite is from the hardline internationalist MEPs who want to compare the EU's foundation to the USA a la 1789, and an eventual Federal Europe competing with America militarily and economically. Given the utter lack of democratic legitimacy in any of its institutions, morally their position is frivolous. Sure they have a "European Parliament," but it is barred from initiating legislation and from appropriating funds, something that is prevalent in any liberal democracy in the world.

As for economically, a Federal Europe will soon be vastly overshadowed by the emerging Asian, South American, and African economies which will shift to a multipolar world, Europe cannot just limp along trading with itself while shielding certain inefficient industries from foreign competition.

Militarily, NATO is still around. If the EU tries to replace, dislodge, or destroy NATO then most certainly trans Atlantic relations will go to hell in a hand basket.

On an unrelated note, Switzerland is trolling the EU by leaving a gap in their map.

[Alyakia]

Explain this lack of democratic legitimacy.

NOT THE TRANS ATLANTIC RELATIONSHIP NO

Holevetica.

[Alyakia]

Show me some of the socialist policies of the EU.

Bailing out stupid countries like Greece and Ireland.

That's all?

[United Casio]

On an unrelated note, Switzerland is trolling the EU by leaving a gap in their map.

[Trixiestan]

EU is gonna collapse soon. Its all whether Germany is willing to pay everybody for debt they have nothing to do with. And good riddance to a system of socialism and overlordship.

Okay guys, this brings me to a very important point. Does the EU plan on turning Europe into a neo-soviet totalarian state, a neo-fascist totalarian state or a neo-plutocratic totalarian state?

Big question time~

[Shaoyuan]

EU is gonna collapse soon. Its all whether Germany is willing to pay everybody for debt they have nothing to do with. And good riddance to a system of socialism and overlordship.

Okay guys, this brings me to a very important point. Does the EU plan on turning Europe into a neo-soviet totalarian state, a neo-fascist totalarian state or a neo-plutocratic state?

Big question time~

Clearly Plutocratic looking at how the EU is made up... But you could say the same thing about the majority of Europe anyway.

[Free Herman States]

The EU is just a massive joke. Out of all the chatter that comes out of Brussels my favorite is from the hardline internationalist MEPs who want to compare the EU's foundation to the USA a la 1789, and an eventual Federal Europe competing with America militarily and economically. Given the utter lack of democratic legitimacy in any of its institutions, morally their position is frivolous. Sure they have a "European Parliament," but it is barred from initiating legislation and from appropriating funds, something that is prevalent in any liberal democracy in the world.

As for economically, a Federal Europe will soon be vastly overshadowed by the emerging Asian, South American, and African economies which will shift to a multipolar world, Europe cannot just limp along trading with itself while shielding certain inefficient industries from foreign competition.

Militarily, NATO is still around. If the EU tries to replace, dislodge, or destroy NATO then most certainly trans Atlantic relations will go to hell in a hand basket.

On an unrelated note, Switzerland is trolling the EU by leaving a gap in their map.

Sure, the European Parliament *doesn't* have the sort of powers that it ought to have. This ignores where they started out from. The EEC was originally just supposed to be a supranational/intergovernmental thing. Why get a parliament for that? Ever since deciding to integrate more; the European Parliament has been steadily increasing in power over the decades. Assuming the Euro crisis doesn't destroy everything, they'll probably give it more power in time.

Federal Europe will be better than trying to deal with the rising Asian powers individually. The trading with yourself bit (Germany trades more with the Netherlands than China!) can go on for a loooong while before it becomes a problem.

Nato and the EU more or less get along well. The EU groups just tend to augment whatever mischief Nato's up to.

[Zoingo]

Sure, the European Parliament *doesn't* have the sort of powers that it ought to have. This ignores where they started out from. The EEC was originally just supposed to be a supranational/intergovernmental thing. Why get a parliament for that? Ever since deciding to integrate more; the European Parliament has been steadily increasing in power over the decades. Assuming the Euro crisis doesn't destroy everything, they'll probably give it more power in time.

That is entirely irrelevant to the point, there is still a democratic deficiency and even with the multitude of treaties that have been passed over the years, the EP has been pretty much ignored. Even the failed European Constitution had very insignificant changes to the European Parliament, hardly the sort of framework for a true Federal Europe. The idea that it is going to gain any more power at the expense of the Council or Commission is folly, even if the Euro somehow survives the crisis.

Federal Europe will be better than trying to deal with the rising Asian powers individually. The trading with yourself bit (Germany trades more with the Netherlands than China!) can go on for a loooong while before it becomes a problem.

Nato and the EU more or less get along well. The EU groups just tend to augment whatever mischief Nato's up to.

A Federal Europe is less likely to adapt to the global market than its member countries will; and trading with yourself can't go on for a long time, especially if emerging markets are providing resources you will need.

As for NATO and the EU, I concede on the mischief.