Your view on The EU

[Keronians]

My job would become more complicated if Spain returned to the peseta.

And your job?

Accountant.

[Sibirsky]

I support the free movement of people, capital and goods. But I am against a common currency.

Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...

Well, the goal of its founders anyway.

The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*

The euro was doomed to fail from the get-go. You can't have one central bank, and vastly different needs in terms of monetary policy in various markets.

[Sibirsky]

What was wrong with the peseta? :v

My job would become more complicated if Spain returned to the peseta.

How so? Same rules, just numbers. Different currency symbol and name.

[Keronians]

Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...

Well, the goal of its founders anyway.

The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*

The euro was doomed to fail from the get-go. You can't have one central bank, and vastly different needs in terms of monetary policy in various markets.

Eh, I still think the situation could become sustainable if we got a European fund which could issue debt.

What would its rating be, though? AAA? AA+?

[Keronians]

My job would become more complicated if Spain returned to the peseta.

How so? Same rules, just numbers. Different currency symbol and name.

Massively different numbers, though.

[Sibirsky]

The euro was doomed to fail from the get-go. You can't have one central bank, and vastly different needs in terms of monetary policy in various markets.

Eh, I still think the situation could become sustainable if we got a European fund which could issue debt.

What would its rating be, though? AAA? AA+?

AAA. At least initially.

[Vellosia]

The euro was doomed to fail from the get-go. You can't have one central bank, and vastly different needs in terms of monetary policy in various markets.

Eh, I still think the situation could become sustainable if we got a European fund which could issue debt.

What would its rating be, though? AAA? AA+?

That won't solve the real issue at hand here: differently orientated economies in monetary union. If anything, closer integration just dooms it more because countries like Spain and Italy (and perhaps even France) will have their economies orientated towards Germany - which spells endemic recession and anaemic growth.

[Sibirsky]

How so? Same rules, just numbers. Different currency symbol and name.

Massively different numbers, though.

Eh, the math would be the same.

[Palene]

STUPID STUPID STUPID. The EU is all stupid, when the stupid euro goes into crisis.... the whole EU will fail and the world will plunge into an economic disaster and everybody will be dying from starvation and begging for food and it will be a world disaster.

TAX THE POOR
FEED THE RICH
ONLY BUY GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED PRODUCTS

And I ask, why the heck didn't the US attack Canada, we could have got so much land then. Then force the Mexicans to learn English.

The Euro will destroy the world... don't let it happen

[Keronians]

STUPID STUPID STUPID. The EU is all stupid, when the stupid euro goes into crisis.... the whole EU will fail and the world will plunge into an economic disaster and everybody will be dying from starvation and begging for food and it will be a world disaster.

TAX THE POOR
FEED THE RICH
ONLY BUY GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED PRODUCTS

And I ask, why the heck didn't the US attack Canada, we could have got so much land then. Then force the Mexicans to learn English.

The Euro will destroy the world... don't let it happen

Right, then:

EU =/= Eurozone

That is not how an economy works. Nor how a government works.

The US did attack Canada. It failed to get anything meaningful out of it except bankruptcy.

How exactly does the Euro destroy the world?

[Keronians]

Eh, I still think the situation could become sustainable if we got a European fund which could issue debt.

What would its rating be, though? AAA? AA+?

That won't solve the real issue at hand here: differently orientated economies in monetary union. If anything, closer integration just dooms it more because countries like Spain and Italy (and perhaps even France) will have their economies orientated towards Germany - which spells endemic recession and anaemic growth.

People don't want the Euro to collapse.

Hell, I doubt anybody, even if they don't like the Euro, wants the Euro to collapse.

[Alyakia]

STUPID STUPID STUPID. The EU is all stupid, when the stupid euro goes into crisis.... the whole EU will fail and the world will plunge into an economic disaster and everybody will be dying from starvation and begging for food and it will be a world disaster.

TAX THE POOR
FEED THE RICH
ONLY BUY GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED PRODUCTS

And I ask, why the heck didn't the US attack Canada, we could have got so much land then. Then force the Mexicans to learn English.

The Euro will destroy the world... don't let it happen

the u.s. has attacked canada twice and both attempts ended with failure hth

[Germanic Templars]

STUPID STUPID STUPID. The EU is all stupid, when the stupid euro goes into crisis.... the whole EU will fail and the world will plunge into an economic disaster and everybody will be dying from starvation and begging for food and it will be a world disaster.

TAX THE POOR
FEED THE RICH
ONLY BUY GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED PRODUCTS

And I ask, why the heck didn't the US attack Canada, we could have got so much land then. Then force the Mexicans to learn English.

The Euro will destroy the world... don't let it happen

I don't know what to consider this.

[Sibirsky]

STUPID STUPID STUPID. The EU is all stupid, when the stupid euro goes into crisis.... the whole EU will fail and the world will plunge into an economic disaster and everybody will be dying from starvation and begging for food and it will be a world disaster.

TAX THE POOR
FEED THE RICH
ONLY BUY GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED PRODUCTS

And I ask, why the heck didn't the US attack Canada, we could have got so much land then. Then force the Mexicans to learn English.

The Euro will destroy the world... don't let it happen

I don't know what to consider this.

Trolling

[Sibirsky]

That won't solve the real issue at hand here: differently orientated economies in monetary union. If anything, closer integration just dooms it more because countries like Spain and Italy (and perhaps even France) will have their economies orientated towards Germany - which spells endemic recession and anaemic growth.

People don't want the Euro to collapse.

Hell, I doubt anybody, even if they don't like the Euro, wants the Euro to collapse.

Of course not. Nobody sane wants the euro to collapse. It would be a disaster.

-Sib, not a fan of the Euro.

[Aurora-Nova]

I oppose any body which attempts to limit the sovereignty of any country, whether that be the EU imposing laws on member nations or the UN authorizing military action against some nation.

[Alyakia]

I oppose any body which attempts to limit the sovereignty of any country, whether that be the EU imposing laws on member nations or the UN authorizing military action against some nation.

The United Kingdom is limiting/destroying the sovereignity of Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Fuck, England doesn't even have its own parliament! Please send help.

[Vellosia]

That won't solve the real issue at hand here: differently orientated economies in monetary union. If anything, closer integration just dooms it more because countries like Spain and Italy (and perhaps even France) will have their economies orientated towards Germany - which spells endemic recession and anaemic growth.

People don't want the Euro to collapse.

Hell, I doubt anybody, even if they don't like the Euro, wants the Euro to collapse.

The fantastical (and slightly insane) part of my mind would like to see it collapse.

But the rest of my mind, even though I absolutely detest it, recognises that it would be a disaster if the Euro collapsed. However, the question is whether the Euro can survive.

[Keronians]

People don't want the Euro to collapse.

Hell, I doubt anybody, even if they don't like the Euro, wants the Euro to collapse.

The fantastical (and slightly insane) part of my mind would like to see it collapse.

But the rest of my mind, even though I absolutely detest it, recognises that it would be a disaster if the Euro collapsed. However, the question is whether the Euro can survive.

Yeah, I was answering that bit. I think the Euro will be able to survive, at least for the next few decades, if it had a fund capable of issuing debt for the entire Eurozone.

Said fund could also act to liquidate Greece, Portugal and the like.

Not to mention that the ECB's job would become much easier.

[Shaoyuan]

If Greece is bankrupt... Can't we just liquidate it and sell its assets? >_>

[Alyakia]

If Greece is bankrupt... Can't we just liquidate it and sell its assets? >_>

literally sell greece to turkey

[Keronians]

If Greece is bankrupt... Can't we just liquidate it and sell its assets? >_>

Why would we sell its assets?

More to the point, what assets DOES Greece have?

Most of its so-called "assets" are liabilities, IMO.

[Shaoyuan]

If Greece is bankrupt... Can't we just liquidate it and sell its assets? >_>

Why would we sell its assets?

More to the point, what assets DOES Greece have?

Most of its so-called "assets" are liabilities, IMO.

Its citizens have be worth something to somebody, right?

[Chyeknovostan Republic]

What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

As long as it doesnt involve Ukraine and Russia I don't care.

[Keronians]

What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

As long as it doesnt involve Ukraine and Russia I don't care.

Doesn't Ukraine want to join the EU?