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by Germanic Templars » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:56 pm
by Flaming Soul Forces » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:28 pm
United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?
And what is the plight to which Europe has been reduced?...over wide areas a vast quivering mass of tormented, hungry, care-worn and bewildered human beings gape at the ruins of their cities and their homes, and scan the dark horizons for the approach of some new peril, tyranny or terror....That is all that Europeans, grouped in so many ancient states and nations...have got by tearing each other to pieces and spreading havoc far and wide.
Yet all the while there is a remedy...It is to re-create the European Family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom.We must build a kind of United States of Europe.
Winston Churchill Zurich, 19 September 1946
''In most countries, when people see a same-sex couple they assume they're gay and when they see an opposite-sex couple they assume they're straight. In Codifin, when we see a same-sex couple we think that they're acting on their same-sex attraction and when we see an opposite-sex couple we think that they're acting on their opposite-sex attraction. And the reason is that everyone is assumed to be bisexual, until stating otherwise.''

by Keronians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:30 pm
Moral Libertarians wrote:Risna wrote:If I look at history in Europe for the past two thousand years all i see is violence and pain. Hmmm let us try cooperation for once? i support it.
There are ways to peacefully cooperate without welding a motley collection of very different countries into a massive superstate.


by Moral Libertarians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:34 pm
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.

by Keronians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:39 pm

by Moral Libertarians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:40 pm
Keronians wrote:Moral Libertarians wrote:
Yes...
We go over this in seemingly every EU thread - I oppose all governments - but the EU especially.
Besides, the countries of the UK share more with each other than they do Europe.
You're a Scot, right?
If in 1700, you told another Scot that you wanted England and Scotland to unite, he would have, in all likelihood, punched you.
If in the early 1800s, you would have told a Tuscan that all the regions of the Italian peninsula would unite, then he would have probably punched you.
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.

by Keronians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:42 pm
Moral Libertarians wrote:Keronians wrote:
You're a Scot, right?
If in 1700, you told another Scot that you wanted England and Scotland to unite, he would have, in all likelihood, punched you.
If in the early 1800s, you would have told a Tuscan that all the regions of the Italian peninsula would unite, then he would have probably punched you.
Oh well. I'm sure they'd all punch me for saying I want to abolish nations themselves.


by Moral Libertarians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:46 pm
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.

by Distruzio » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:00 am
United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

by President Bachmann » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:03 am

by Shaoyuan » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:06 am
President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.
It is only natural.
by Alyakia » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:03 am
President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.
It is only natural.

by United Casio » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:26 am
President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.
It is only natural.
The Corparation wrote:You burned a caked.......you poor sadistic bastard. What did that cake ever do to you?

by Keronians » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:28 am

by Genivaria » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:53 am
President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.
It is only natural.

by Ghaknee The Great » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:02 am
President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.
It is only natural.


by Nationalistic Fascistania » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:20 am

by Volmachtia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:26 am
by Sibirsky » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:33 am
by Sibirsky » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:35 am
greed and death wrote:The idea of a unifying currency without central control of debt seems to be a flaw.
by Alyakia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:08 am
Nationalistic Fascistania wrote:The European Union is a Leftist supra-national organization primarily based in Europe that must be dismantled and destroyed in the name of national unity.
So does the United Nations.

by Keronians » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:14 am
Sibirsky wrote:I support the free movement of people, capital and goods. But I am against a common currency.
by Alyakia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:17 am
Keronians wrote:Sibirsky wrote:I support the free movement of people, capital and goods. But I am against a common currency.
Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...
Well, the goal of its founders anyway.
The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*

by Keronians » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:18 am
Alyakia wrote:Keronians wrote:
Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...
Well, the goal of its founders anyway.
The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*
What was wrong with the peseta? :v
by Alyakia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:20 am
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