NATION

PASSWORD

Your view on The EU

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Germanic Templars
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 20682
Founded: Jul 01, 2011
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:56 pm

It works, its alive, and it makes pappy happy. So i'm for it.

  • INTP
  • All American Patriotic Constitutionalist/Classic libertarian (with fiscal conservatism)
  • Religiously Tolerant
  • Roman Catholic
  • Hoplophilic/ammosexual
  • X=3.13, Y=2.41
  • Supports the Blue


I support Capitalism do you? If so, put this in your sig.

XY = Male, XX = Female

User avatar
Flaming Soul Forces
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1007
Founded: Jul 05, 2008
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Flaming Soul Forces » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:28 pm

United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?


And what is the plight to which Europe has been reduced?...over wide areas a vast quivering mass of tormented, hungry, care-worn and bewildered human beings gape at the ruins of their cities and their homes, and scan the dark horizons for the approach of some new peril, tyranny or terror....That is all that Europeans, grouped in so many ancient states and nations...have got by tearing each other to pieces and spreading havoc far and wide.

Yet all the while there is a remedy...It is to re-create the European Family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom.We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

Winston Churchill Zurich, 19 September 1946
Founder of ''THE ALTERNATIVE LEFT'' Now in ESQUARIUM!
Bachelor of Arts in European Studies
BISEXUAL
Economic Left/Right: -5.75, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95
Not the average Greek-Cypriot

''In most countries, when people see a same-sex couple they assume they're gay and when they see an opposite-sex couple they assume they're straight. In Codifin, when we see a same-sex couple we think that they're acting on their same-sex attraction and when we see an opposite-sex couple we think that they're acting on their opposite-sex attraction. And the reason is that everyone is assumed to be bisexual, until stating otherwise.''
Flaming Soul Forces aka COÐÍFIN
Remember remember, the 26 of November (2015): the day the civil partnership bill became a law in CYPRUS

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:30 pm

Moral Libertarians wrote:
Risna wrote:If I look at history in Europe for the past two thousand years all i see is violence and pain. Hmmm let us try cooperation for once? i support it.


There are ways to peacefully cooperate without welding a motley collection of very different countries into a massive superstate.


Isn't the UK the exact same thing? :eyebrow:
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Moral Libertarians
Minister
 
Posts: 3207
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Moral Libertarians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:34 pm

Keronians wrote:
Moral Libertarians wrote:
There are ways to peacefully cooperate without welding a motley collection of very different countries into a massive superstate.


Isn't the UK the exact same thing? :eyebrow:


Yes...

We go over this in seemingly every EU thread - I oppose all governments - but the EU especially.

Besides, the countries of the UK share more with each other than they do Europe.
Free market is best market.
Political Compass
I support Anarcho-Capitalism
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.
Occupied Deutschland: [Government] is arbitrary. It draws a line in the sand wherever it wants, and if one crosses it, one gets punished. The only difference is where the line is.
Staenwald: meh tax evasion is understandable in some cases. I don't want some filthy politician grabbing my money for something I don't use.
Volnotova: Corporations... cannot exist without a state.
The moment statism is wiped off the face of this planet it is impossible for any corporation to continue its existance.

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:39 pm

Moral Libertarians wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Isn't the UK the exact same thing? :eyebrow:


Yes...

We go over this in seemingly every EU thread - I oppose all governments - but the EU especially.

Besides, the countries of the UK share more with each other than they do Europe.


You're a Scot, right?

If in 1700, you told another Scot that you wanted England and Scotland to unite, he would have, in all likelihood, punched you.

If in the early 1800s, you would have told a Tuscan that all the regions of the Italian peninsula would unite, then he would have probably punched you.
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Moral Libertarians
Minister
 
Posts: 3207
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Moral Libertarians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:40 pm

Keronians wrote:
Moral Libertarians wrote:
Yes...

We go over this in seemingly every EU thread - I oppose all governments - but the EU especially.

Besides, the countries of the UK share more with each other than they do Europe.


You're a Scot, right?

If in 1700, you told another Scot that you wanted England and Scotland to unite, he would have, in all likelihood, punched you.

If in the early 1800s, you would have told a Tuscan that all the regions of the Italian peninsula would unite, then he would have probably punched you.


Oh well. I'm sure they'd all punch me for saying I want to abolish nations themselves.
Free market is best market.
Political Compass
I support Anarcho-Capitalism
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.
Occupied Deutschland: [Government] is arbitrary. It draws a line in the sand wherever it wants, and if one crosses it, one gets punished. The only difference is where the line is.
Staenwald: meh tax evasion is understandable in some cases. I don't want some filthy politician grabbing my money for something I don't use.
Volnotova: Corporations... cannot exist without a state.
The moment statism is wiped off the face of this planet it is impossible for any corporation to continue its existance.

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:42 pm

Moral Libertarians wrote:
Keronians wrote:
You're a Scot, right?

If in 1700, you told another Scot that you wanted England and Scotland to unite, he would have, in all likelihood, punched you.

If in the early 1800s, you would have told a Tuscan that all the regions of the Italian peninsula would unite, then he would have probably punched you.


Oh well. I'm sure they'd all punch me for saying I want to abolish nations themselves.


Eh... probably.

I wouldn't though. :p
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Moral Libertarians
Minister
 
Posts: 3207
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Moral Libertarians » Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:46 pm

Keronians wrote:
Moral Libertarians wrote:
Oh well. I'm sure they'd all punch me for saying I want to abolish nations themselves.


Eh... probably.

I wouldn't though. :p


We come from a more civilised era. In a manner of speaking.
Free market is best market.
Political Compass
I support Anarcho-Capitalism
Terra Agora wrote:A state, no matter how small, is not liberty. Taxes are not liberty, government courts are not liberty, government police are not liberty. Anarchy is liberty and anarchy is order.
Occupied Deutschland: [Government] is arbitrary. It draws a line in the sand wherever it wants, and if one crosses it, one gets punished. The only difference is where the line is.
Staenwald: meh tax evasion is understandable in some cases. I don't want some filthy politician grabbing my money for something I don't use.
Volnotova: Corporations... cannot exist without a state.
The moment statism is wiped off the face of this planet it is impossible for any corporation to continue its existance.

User avatar
Distruzio
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 23841
Founded: Feb 28, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Distruzio » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:00 am

United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?


I agree.
Eastern Orthodox Christian

Anti-Progressive
Conservative

Anti-Feminist
Right leaning Distributist

Anti-Equity
Western Chauvanist

Anti-Globalism
Nationalist

User avatar
President Bachmann
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 16
Founded: Jul 13, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby President Bachmann » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:03 am

Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.

It is only natural.

User avatar
Shaoyuan
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1232
Founded: Nov 18, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Shaoyuan » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:06 am

President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.

It is only natural.

Western Union.

Wait, isn't that already a bank or something?
Since it seems so popular these days -
Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.23

User avatar
Alyakia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18422
Founded: Jul 12, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:03 am

President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.

It is only natural.

Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha, no.
pro: good
anti: bad

The UK and EU are Better Together

"Margaret Thatcher showed the world that women are not too soft or the weaker sex, and can be as heartless, horrible, and amoral as any male politician."

User avatar
United Casio
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1016
Founded: May 31, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby United Casio » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:26 am

President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.

It is only natural.


Your nation name, I not approve.

None at the moment.
Name:The People's State of United Casio
Leader: Undefined
Ideology:Communism
Main Race:Aryan
Delegacies held:2
Founderships held:10
Use of Nuclear Weapons? Assured.
My nations ideology, Communism, does not represent my own ideology
Peacetime readiness
The Corparation wrote:You burned a caked.......you poor sadistic bastard. What did that cake ever do to you?

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:28 am

Distruzio wrote:
United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?


I agree.


You think that the federal government is a viable threat to state rights.
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Genivaria
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 69785
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:53 am

President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.

It is only natural.

Your words drip with delusional arrogance.
Anarcho-Communist, Democratic Confederalist
"The Earth isn't dying, it's being killed. And those killing it have names and addresses." -Utah Phillips

User avatar
Ghaknee The Great
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 58
Founded: Aug 12, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Ghaknee The Great » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:02 am

President Bachmann wrote:Any organization that does not include the United States would fail.

It is only natural.

I love your country's name. Get ready for the liberals, atheists, and feminazis to attack you though...lol. :lol:
Last edited by Ghaknee The Great on Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:04 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Nationalistic Fascistania
Attaché
 
Posts: 72
Founded: Aug 01, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Nationalistic Fascistania » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:20 am

The European Union is a Leftist supra-national organization primarily based in Europe that must be dismantled and destroyed in the name of national unity.

So does the United Nations.

User avatar
Volmachtia
Senator
 
Posts: 4310
Founded: Nov 07, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Volmachtia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:26 am

It's a great idea on paper, but it'll never work in the long run. Too many races, cultures, religions, etc.

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:33 am

I support the free movement of people, capital and goods. But I am against a common currency.
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
Sibirsky
Post Czar
 
Posts: 44940
Founded: Mar 22, 2009
Anarchy

Postby Sibirsky » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:35 am

greed and death wrote:The idea of a unifying currency without central control of debt seems to be a flaw.

Seems?
Free market capitalism, path to prosperity
Свободный рынок капитализма, путь к процветанию
IBC 7 Finalists
8 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze medals IV Summer Olympics
2 Silver, 4 Bronze medals V Winter Olympics
Golfinator Classic Champion
Scott Cup I Champions
World Bowl 11 4th Place

User avatar
Alyakia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18422
Founded: Jul 12, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:08 am

Nationalistic Fascistania wrote:The European Union is a Leftist supra-national organization primarily based in Europe that must be dismantled and destroyed in the name of national unity.

So does the United Nations.

The EU is not leftist. At all.
pro: good
anti: bad

The UK and EU are Better Together

"Margaret Thatcher showed the world that women are not too soft or the weaker sex, and can be as heartless, horrible, and amoral as any male politician."

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:14 am

Sibirsky wrote:I support the free movement of people, capital and goods. But I am against a common currency.


Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...

Well, the goal of its founders anyway.

The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Alyakia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18422
Founded: Jul 12, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:17 am

Keronians wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:I support the free movement of people, capital and goods. But I am against a common currency.


Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...

Well, the goal of its founders anyway.

The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*

What was wrong with the peseta? :v
pro: good
anti: bad

The UK and EU are Better Together

"Margaret Thatcher showed the world that women are not too soft or the weaker sex, and can be as heartless, horrible, and amoral as any male politician."

User avatar
Keronians
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18231
Founded: Oct 15, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Keronians » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:18 am

Alyakia wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Well, it's sort of necessary considering the goal of the EU from the start was a federal Europe...

Well, the goal of its founders anyway.

The Euro has massive structural problems which I'd rather see solved rather than return to the peseta. *shudders at the thought of a return to the peseta*

What was wrong with the peseta? :v


My job would become more complicated if Spain returned to the peseta.
Proud Indian. Spanish citizen. European federalist.
Political compass
Awarded the Bronze Medal for General Debating at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards. Awarded Best New Poster at the 11th Annual Posters' Awards.
It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

User avatar
Alyakia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18422
Founded: Jul 12, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alyakia » Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:20 am

Keronians wrote:
Alyakia wrote:What was wrong with the peseta? :v


My job would become more complicated if Spain returned to the peseta.

And your job?
pro: good
anti: bad

The UK and EU are Better Together

"Margaret Thatcher showed the world that women are not too soft or the weaker sex, and can be as heartless, horrible, and amoral as any male politician."

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], Greater Miami Shores 3, Practice Nation State, The Holy Therns

Advertisement

Remove ads