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United Casio
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Postby United Casio » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:55 pm

What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

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Postby Imperium Nova Roma » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:57 pm

Because Europe was doing so well earlier without the EU, you know, The World Wars, countless skirmishes between England And France, The Communist puppet states, oh, totally peaceful.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:57 pm

I'm all for it, and am anxious to see it reach the goal it's been working towards for over 50 years: federal Europe.
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Postby United Casio » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:58 pm

Keronians wrote:I'm all for it, and am anxious to see it reach the goal it's been working towards for over 50 years: federal Europe.


Fuck that. >:( I would probably try to get Ireland to split from that.

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Postby Alyakia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:59 pm

United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

So, what would you have done after WWII?
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Postby United Casio » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:00 pm

Alyakia wrote:
United Casio wrote:What is your view on the EU(See what I did thar??). Honestly, I hate it, its horrible basket case, and a ticking time bomb, it was a horrible idea from the start. It is also a viable threat to the Sovereignty of EU Nations. what about you?

So, what would you have done after WWII?


Treaty of Versailles III, of course :roll: Jk jk.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:00 pm

Imperium Nova Roma wrote:Because Europe was doing so well earlier without the EU, you know, The World Wars, countless skirmishes between England And France, The Communist puppet states, oh, totally peaceful.

The Holocaust/Holdomer, rampant imperialism, fascism...

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Postby Alyakia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:02 pm

United Casio wrote:
Alyakia wrote:So, what would you have done after WWII?


Treaty of Versailles III, of course :roll: Jk jk.

And the actual answer~?
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Postby The Vuhifellian States » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:03 pm

An imperfect system trying to reform itself into a federal, sovereign entity (presumably). Overall a worthy effort, but much work can still be done to further unify Europe.
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Postby United Casio » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:03 pm

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Imperium Nova Roma wrote:Because Europe was doing so well earlier without the EU, you know, The World Wars, countless skirmishes between England And France, The Communist puppet states, oh, totally peaceful.

The Holocaust/Holdomer, rampant imperialism, fascism...


Imperialism in Europe after WWII... where?
Alyakia wrote:
United Casio wrote:
Treaty of Versailles III, of course :roll: Jk jk.

And the actual answer~?

Don't ask me I'd probably fuck it up anyway

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Postby Shaoyuan » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:04 pm

Keronians wrote:I'm all for it, and am anxious to see it reach the goal it's been working towards for over 50 years: federal Europe.

Hear hear! For a united Europe!
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:05 pm

United Casio wrote:
Keronians wrote:I'm all for it, and am anxious to see it reach the goal it's been working towards for over 50 years: federal Europe.


Fuck that. >:( I would probably try to get Ireland to split from that.


Why?

What, exactly, is so wrong with a federal Europe?

Why don't you want to be an economic and military superpower? Why don't you want to be larger geographically? Why don't you want to have a stronger government?
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Postby United Casio » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:26 pm

Keronians wrote:
United Casio wrote:
Fuck that. >:( I would probably try to get Ireland to split from that.


Why?

What, exactly, is so wrong with a federal Europe?

Why don't you want to be an economic and military superpower? Why don't you want to be larger geographically? Why don't you want to have a stronger government?


Because 800 years of British rule, then to go straight into god know how many years of European Rule?? People want a sovereign Ireland!

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Postby Shaoyuan » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:27 pm

United Casio wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Why?

What, exactly, is so wrong with a federal Europe?

Why don't you want to be an economic and military superpower? Why don't you want to be larger geographically? Why don't you want to have a stronger government?


Because 800 years of British rule, then to go straight into god know how many years of European Rule?? People want a sovereign Ireland!

Har har, because a sovereign Ireland has done so well lately, am I right? Nationalism is just stupid. Why can't you be like the Welsh? They never complain.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:27 pm

United Casio wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Why?

What, exactly, is so wrong with a federal Europe?

Why don't you want to be an economic and military superpower? Why don't you want to be larger geographically? Why don't you want to have a stronger government?


Because 800 years of British rule, then to go straight into god know how many years of European Rule?? People want a sovereign Ireland!


Nobody said it couldn't be a federal system.

It could be like Germany's system of government, which is very decentralised. Besides, being subsidised by other states isn't quite so bad. ;)

Not to mention that unlike Britain, Europe won't be an authoritarian asshole.
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It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:28 pm

The idea of a unifying currency without central control of debt seems to be a flaw.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:29 pm

greed and death wrote:The idea of a unifying currency without central control of debt seems to be a flaw.


It's a massive flaw.

This crisis will probably culminate with a European fund and a Eurobond.
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George Orwell
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:30 pm

Keronians wrote:Not to mention that unlike Britain, Europe won't be an authoritarian asshole.

Let's ask Basque Country and Algeria their views on this matter.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:32 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Keronians wrote:Not to mention that unlike Britain, Europe won't be an authoritarian asshole.

Let's ask Basque Country and Algeria their views on this matter.


I'm a Spaniard.

What about the Basque Country?
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It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:35 pm

Keronians wrote:
Alyakia wrote:Let's ask Basque Country and Algeria their views on this matter.


I'm a Spaniard.

What about the Basque Country?

Should have known this would happen. :V

Will there ever actually be a referendum?

Are you also Algerian?
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:37 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Keronians wrote:
I'm a Spaniard.

What about the Basque Country?

Should have known this would happen. :V

Will there ever actually be a referendum?

Are you also Algerian?


:eyebrow:

No, I'm not Algerian.

As for the referendum; secession is illegal in Spain.
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It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
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· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
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· Universal healthcare
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Postby Alyakia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:40 pm

Keronians wrote:
Alyakia wrote:Should have known this would happen. :V

Will there ever actually be a referendum?

Are you also Algerian?


:eyebrow:

No, I'm not Algerian.

As for the referendum; secession is illegal in Spain.

So that's a never then. Welp~

Sucks. Maybe one will wander in. :V
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:41 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Keronians wrote:
:eyebrow:

No, I'm not Algerian.

As for the referendum; secession is illegal in Spain.

So that's a never then. Welp~

Sucks. Maybe one will wander in. :V


What's wrong with secession being illegal?

Spain is very decentralised as it is. Even more so than the US.
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It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
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Postby Shaoyuan » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:43 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Keronians wrote:Not to mention that unlike Britain, Europe won't be an authoritarian asshole.

Let's ask Basque Country and Algeria their views on this matter.


Correct me if I'm wrong but a brief investigating tells me that Algeria became independent in the 50s (and the populace predictably celebrated by murdering each other) and the Basque have mostly autonomy in Spain and face discrimination in France such as 'having to learn French' and other atrocities.

Am I missing something here?
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Postby Keronians » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:44 pm

Shaoyuan wrote:
Alyakia wrote:Let's ask Basque Country and Algeria their views on this matter.


Correct me if I'm wrong but a brief investigating tells me that Algeria became independent in the 50s (and the populace predictably celebrated by murdering each other) and the Basque have mostly autonomy in Spain and face discrimination in France such as 'having to learn French' and other atrocities.

Am I missing something here?


Nope, and I tell you this as a Spaniard.

Also, unofficial polls carried out in the Basque country show that the majority of the population favours Madrid.
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It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it; consequently, the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.
George Orwell
· Private property
· Free foreign trade
· Exchange of goods and services
· Free formation of prices

· Market regulation
· Social security
· Universal healthcare
· Unemployment insurance

This is a capitalist model.

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