Bachmann Flees Iowa Fair After Being Confronted by Gay Teen.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Sure its possible. Its also possible that Barrack Obama really is a crypto Muslim socialist intent on destroying American values.


Meaning even though its possible you'd have to be a dunce to believe it.

Non sequitur. People on this forum, yourself included have offered up Bachmann's husband's conduct as indicative of her own beliefs about how homosexuality should be "treated." I have pointed out that the former is not necessarily indicative of the latter. Now, do you have an actual argument in favor of your initial position?

Seriously? She publicly stated that he was her leader in all things, and that she submitted to him in every way, him being her owner master husband and all.

By the way, I really love how the religious right sees marriage. Honor and Obey for the women, since it's not like they could possibly do anything themselves; hell, they don't even get to decide how their bodies are used by other organisms, why should they get to decide whether or not they can leave the kitchen?

[Wazkyraque]

I'm surprise she didn't slip on the trash I forgot to clean up before she got to the golfcart.
And Yes, I do work at the Fair.

So you admit to negligently endangering a public servant?

I admit I'm a minor.
I win.

But to be somewhat serious, I wasn't there to see it happen... bummer.

[Outer Chaosmosis]

Seriously? She publicly stated that he was her leader in all things, and that she submitted to him in every way, him being her owner master husband and all.

I have already addressed this point.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Seriously? She publicly stated that he was her leader in all things, and that she submitted to him in every way, him being her owner master husband and all.

I have already addressed this point.

With a throwaway non-sequitur... not convinced.

[Outer Chaosmosis]

With a throwaway non-sequitur... not convinced.

Non-sequitur? I responded by pointing out (rightly) that such submission need not suggest her acceptance of any of her husbands positions or actions. So, do you have any actual argument in favor of your positions?

[Rhodmhire]

Targetting Christians with vitriol isn't going to get us anywhere, you know.

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I just don't think it's the right thing to do. I don't find it any more constructive than when it is done to atheists.

[Polruan]

Are the Margaret Atwood fantasies really necessary

[Tekania]

Homosexuality is condemned in my faith.

Irrelevant

Why should gays be allowed to wed in a CHURCH?

Because a church would preside over a wedding for them.

That would then infringe upon the rights of those who are against gay marriage.

I fail to see how two homosexuals wedding in, say, a Unitarian Universalist Church would be a violation of your "rights". In fact, I fail to see how you can have the right to dictate religion upon others. Could it be this concern over "religious rights" be nothing but a veil to violate the religious liberties of others? Very apparent from your speech.

[Conserative Morality]

Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of hecklers. There's a time and place. I will feel less sympathy for you if you do like this kid, and don't at least address her properly. She is Representative Bachmann, not Michelle. It doesn't help his cause, since it just makes him look like a twerp and by association, the cause like that only a twerp would support.

But I guess that's just the eighty year old man in me.

It is. Title does not grant respect, action grants respect.

[Conserative Morality]

I just don't think it's the right thing to do. I don't find it any more constructive than when it is done to atheists.

Sorry, but atheists generally are not Christians. I have no intention of turning the other cheek.

[Outer Chaosmosis]

Title does not grant respect, action grants respect.

These days, neither one seems to grant respect, actually.

[Conserative Morality]

These days, neither one seems to grant respect, actually.

In an ideal world, then. What we SHOULD be granting respect for.

[Outer Chaosmosis]

Sorry, but atheists generally are not Christians. I have no intention of turning the other cheek.

That sounds like a personal problem to me.

[Outer Chaosmosis]

In an ideal world, then. What we SHOULD be granting respect for.

Why? What is so ideal about that?

[Conserative Morality]

Why? What is so ideal about that?

That respect should not be tied to one's title? What isn't ideal about the destruction of the pitiful degradation of man through the paid obeisance to a scrap of paper and a few words added before or after a name?

Fuck, I sound like a whiny anarchist.

[Conserative Morality]

That sounds like a personal problem to me.

How so?

[New England and The Maritimes]

Why? What is so ideal about that?

That respect should not be tied to one's title? What isn't ideal about the destruction of the pitiful degradation of man through the paid obeisance to a scrap of paper and a few words added before or after a name?

Fuck, I sound like a whiny anarchist.

What's next, huh? You gonna quote Goldman? Cry "DEATH TO THE STATE"? Huh? Huh? You gonna cry?

[Polruan]

It is. Title does not grant respect, action grants respect.

Titles don't magically arise from nothing. You become a representative because of your actions. It definitely means something beyond empty words.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Why? What is so ideal about that?

That respect should not be tied to one's title? What isn't ideal about the destruction of the pitiful degradation of man through the paid obeisance to a scrap of paper and a few words added before or after a name?

Fuck, I sound like a whiny anarchist.

Ultimately, it boils down to humility. This guy made himself appear as if he presumes himself to be better than Bachmann, due to arbitrary reasons. It just so happens most people agree with those many, and weighty reasons. But it's conceited nonetheless.

[Conserative Morality]

Titles don't magically arise from nothing. You become a representative because of your actions. It definitely means something beyond empty words.

It means you used empty words to convince a portion of the population that you're better than the alternative. Nothing more.

[Outer Chaosmosis]

How so?

You indicated that you were in favor of non-constructive patterns of discourse.

[Conserative Morality]

Ultimately, it boils down to humility. This guy made himself appear as if he presumes himself to be better than Bachmann, due to arbitrary reasons. It just so happens most people agree with those many, and weighty reasons. But it's conceited nonetheless.

I consider myself better than Bachmann. Doubly so now that she's proven herself unable to deal with a single heckler without running to her room. I don't get what the obsession with humility is. Why do you consider it such a good thing to consider oneself in a lesser position than one actually is?

[Outer Chaosmosis]

It means you used empty words to convince a portion of the population that you're better than the alternative. Nothing more.

Wrong. In democracies certain titles arise from popular mandate. They are, consequently, indicative of public trust.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Ultimately, it boils down to humility. This guy made himself appear as if he presumes himself to be better than Bachmann, due to arbitrary reasons. It just so happens most people agree with those many, and weighty reasons. But it's conceited nonetheless.

I consider myself better than Bachmann. Doubly so now that she's proven herself unable to deal with a single heckler without running to her room. I don't get what the obsession with humility is. Why do you consider it such a good thing to consider oneself in a lesser position than one actually is?

It's not a matter of considering yourself lesser, but not inflating yourself to a position where you don't belong.

[Conserative Morality]

You indicated that you were in favor of non-constructive patterns of discourse.

Not at all. Giving vitriol back to those who give you vitriol teaches them that you aren't some meek lamb awaiting the slaughter. It sends a message, it says "We're not going to stand to be belittled and insulted without reaction."