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Postby Tekania » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:33 am

Lessnt wrote:It does convey the same rights.
They are fighting over a title now.


It does not convey the same rights because a civil partnership couple of Cali do not have the same full set of conveyed rights as a married couple in Cali. You making lying claims otherwise proves you're either truly ignorant of the situation, or a liar.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:34 am

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Aggicificicerous wrote:Nope. Ron Paul only wants the federal government to have no say in marriage. The state can do as it pleases.

Please quit twisting things. Marriage is a state issue. Right now. It's not proposed change. It's reality.

Really, I, and the rest of the country must have missed something then...
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:37 am

Lessnt wrote:
Sorratsin wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/1 ... 25992.html

Yes I know it's huffpo, liberal rag etc.

First Romney, now Bachmann. Except Michelle actually fled the seen whereas Romney at least attempted to fend off his heckler. I don't think these two events are a coincidence, the GOP's presidential hopefuls seem to be having trouble coping with leaving the echo chambers of Fox News and Tea Party town halls.

What about you NSG? Do you think the Republican party is living in a thought bubble of their own making? Will this end up helping or hurting them in the campaign?

As if gays are being treated as second class citizens.People are overdramatic these days.

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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:44 am

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Marriage licenses are given by the state, not the church. Religion is irrelevant. No one is arguing that churches should be forced to marry gays against their beliefs.

I do not believe that.
I wish you to provide a source.
Since this is how they want to play this.

Here ya go...
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Postby Osthia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:45 am

South Asia Minor wrote:Y'know, between them, Bachmann and Palin aren't really making the case for strong female politics.

At least Hillary Clinton had balls...

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Postby Osthia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:47 am

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Buffett and Colbert wrote:My apologies for believing someone can voice their opinion respectfully even in the face of bigotry.


and how do you expect a 17 year old homosexual man to contact miss bachmann for a sit down chat about her anti-gay views? how is he supposed to voice his concern over her removing social justice? sadly the only time a politician will talk about a "real issue" with someone who is directly effected by said issue is when that person goes to there rally and shouts at them.

i dont like it at all, but to say that him saying "michelle" makes his cause less worthy or makes the supporters of his cause seem like "twerps" i just dont get it. he did nothing disrespectful expect call her by her NAME. if he said "hey shit for brains" then you would have a valid point. but this kid did nothing disrespectful.

I sent her an email once. I addressed her as Madame Representative Bachmann...that bitch still hasn't answered my call for a healthy debate on gay rights...and by healthy debate, I mean blow her out of the water with sorrow.

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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:50 am

Lessnt wrote:
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I haven't posted a source cause I haven't made any claims.
I've merely asked you to prove your claims, which you still haven't managed to do.

My mistake.
I do not trust tThe source provided does not support what I erroneously believe and I have thus dismissed it.

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Postby Apollonesia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:51 am

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Postby Khyrta » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:52 am

As is expected from her. I may not be the brightest crayon in the box, but she's the black specks in the bottom.

Anyway, I find it kind of ironic that the morning after brainstorming political comics (one of which involved Bachmann and something about a chicken), I find out she has proven herself worthy of the chicken reference.
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Postby Osthia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:12 am

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Chamdo wrote:That teen is honestly one of my heroes.

Pfft, please. This idiot is no different from the other angry gheys. If I was Michele (<3), I would have slapped that sodomite for ruining my day at the fair. Ugh.

He is a good person, and brings up a good point. We deny homosexualities the same, if you will, status as heterosexuals, mostly because we do not allow them to marry in places of worship. If I was gay, I would want to be married in a church, just so that way I can feel like I am "normal" and so that I am married by a man of God. And did Jesus not tell us to love our neighbors as if we love ourselves? Your comment is extremely hateful Apollonesia.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:15 am

LoL Bachman. At least just ignore the teen instead of trying to run away.
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Postby Osthia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:39 am

Apollonesia wrote:Jesus did indeed say that. However, I'm not advocating the hatred of gays. I believe that they should not be allowed to wed, but I don't hate them.

How do you know he's a good person? He heckled Michele because she doesn't share the same views as he. How does that make him a good person? He's but a mere pest.

He is demanding his rights from Bachmann. They are guaranteed by the Founding Fathers, whom Bachmann is trying to "fight" for, their pursuit to happiness. Marriage itself isn't happiness (otherwise there wouldn't be divorces), but it is the path to happiness. If Bachmann wants to follow the ideals of the Fathers, then she should allow them their right to marry. God created homosexuals that way, why deny them their right to be wed in His house?

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Postby Herrebrugh » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:50 am

Wow... She has one whiny, uncharismatic voice.

Commenting on the actual topic: this is plain funny. She's unable to give an explanation or to even properly debate a fucking teen? And she is a politician?
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Postby Munathanura » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:05 am

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Osthia wrote:He is demanding his rights from Bachmann. They are guaranteed by the Founding Fathers, whom Bachmann is trying to "fight" for, their pursuit to happiness. Marriage itself isn't happiness (otherwise there wouldn't be divorces), but it is the path to happiness. If Bachmann wants to follow the ideals of the Fathers, then she should allow them their right to marry. God created homosexuals that way, why deny them their right to be wed in His house?

G-d didn't create homosexuals; He created normal heterosexuals who, at one point, developed a sexual disfunction and chose to commit sin by engaging in intercourse with the same gender.

Homosexuality is condemned in my faith. Why should gays be allowed to wed in a CHURCH? That would then infringe upon the rights of those who are against gay marriage. I'd rather have it the way it currently is in your country.


1) Psychologists disagree with you.

2) People aren't arguing that the church should be forced to marry gays, they're arguing that gays should be allowed the exact same rights as a normal heterosexual couple who chose to get married in the Registry Office. In short, they want the same rights as heterosexual people get, and this can be achieved without infringing on the freedom of Christianity.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:06 am

Apollonesia wrote:
Osthia wrote:He is demanding his rights from Bachmann. They are guaranteed by the Founding Fathers, whom Bachmann is trying to "fight" for, their pursuit to happiness. Marriage itself isn't happiness (otherwise there wouldn't be divorces), but it is the path to happiness. If Bachmann wants to follow the ideals of the Fathers, then she should allow them their right to marry. God created homosexuals that way, why deny them their right to be wed in His house?

G-d didn't create homosexuals; He created normal heterosexuals who, at one point, developed a sexual disfunction and chose to commit sin by engaging in intercourse with the same gender.

Homosexuality is condemned in my faith. Why should gays be allowed to wed in a CHURCH? That would then infringe upon the rights of those who are against gay marriage. I'd rather have it the way it currently is in your country.

One more time, try saying it with me: No one is going to force your/my church to marry same-sex couples if it doesn't want to do so.

As for the rest of your post, why should your invisible friend's sensibilities dictate how I should live my life? I don't tell you how to live yours. Oh, I might shake my head sadly over your religious pomposity, but if that's how you want to roll, so be it. I simply request a similar respect from you and ask that you not campaign to restrict my rights as a citizen of the United States.
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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:10 am

Apollonesia wrote:G-d didn't create homosexuals;1 He created normal heterosexuals who, at one point, developed a sexual disfunction2 and chose to commit sin by engaging in intercourse with the same gender.3

Homosexuality is condemned in my faith.4 Why should gays be allowed to wed in a CHURCH?5 That would then infringe upon the rights of those who are against gay marriage.6 I'd rather have it the way it currently is in your country.

1a: Prove your "God" exists.
1b: I thought your magical sky faerie was supposed to have created everything...
2: Prove homosexuality is a "sexual disfunction"...
3: Why should anyone one care about your religion's idea of sin?
4: That's nice... No-one cares.
5: Why not? Not all churches are homophobic.
6: No, it wouldn't. There is no right to discriminate.
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Postby Soheran » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:21 am

Osthia wrote:We deny homosexualities the same, if you will, status as heterosexuals, mostly because we do not allow them to marry in places of worship.


Forget places of worship, we don't allow ((in the vast majority of states) same-sex couples to get marriages performed by public non-religious officials either. Same-sex couples aren't allowed to marry at all.

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Postby Apollonesia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:22 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Apollonesia wrote:G-d didn't create homosexuals;1 He created normal heterosexuals who, at one point, developed a sexual dysfunction2 and chose to commit sin by engaging in intercourse with the same gender.3

Homosexuality is condemned in my faith.4 Why should gays be allowed to wed in a CHURCH?5 That would then infringe upon the rights of those who are against gay marriage.6 I'd rather have it the way it currently is in your country.

1a: Prove your "God" exists.
1b: I thought your magical sky faerie was supposed to have created everything...
2: Prove homosexuality is a "sexual disfunction"...
3: Why should anyone one care about your religion's idea of sin?
4: That's nice... No-one cares.
5: Why not? Not all churches are homophobic.
6: No, it wouldn't. There is no right to discriminate.

1a & b. :roll:
2. I already received a link to a psychologist's opinion. I don't need another. Nice try.
3. No reason.
4. Cute. Umad?
5. Pro-Gay church? How strange.
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Postby Soheran » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:23 am

Apollonesia wrote:G-d didn't create homosexuals; He created normal heterosexuals who, at one point, developed a sexual disfunction and chose to commit sin by engaging in intercourse with the same gender.


Oh dear.

Homosexuality is condemned in my faith. Why should gays be allowed to wed in a CHURCH? That would then infringe upon the rights of those who are against gay marriage. I'd rather have it the way it currently is in your country.


There is a very simple rule that every jurisdiction with same-sex marriage has adopted, a simple rule that solves the problem you point out and that already applies to every other marriage: if a church wants to let same-sex couples wed within it, it can, and if a church doesn't, it doesn't have to.

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Apollonesia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1a: Prove your "God" exists.
1b: I thought your magical sky faerie was supposed to have created everything...
2: Prove homosexuality is a "sexual disfunction"...
3: Why should anyone one care about your religion's idea of sin?
4: That's nice... No-one cares.
5: Why not? Not all churches are homophobic.
6: No, it wouldn't. There is no right to discriminate.

1a & b. :roll:
2. I already received a link to a psychologist's opinion. I don't need another. Nice try.
3. No reason.
4. Cute. Umad?
5. Pro-Gay church? How strange.


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Postby Soheran » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:24 am

I want her to get the Republican nomination so badly. It would be so much fun.

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Postby Munathanura » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:25 am

Apollonesia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1a: Prove your "God" exists.
1b: I thought your magical sky faerie was supposed to have created everything...
2: Prove homosexuality is a "sexual disfunction"...
3: Why should anyone one care about your religion's idea of sin?
4: That's nice... No-one cares.
5: Why not? Not all churches are homophobic.
6: No, it wouldn't. There is no right to discriminate.

1a & b. :roll:
2. I already received a link to a psychologist's opinion. I don't need another. Nice try.
3. No reason.
4. Cute. Umad?
5. Pro-Gay church? How strange.


I believe that #2 was asking you to provide proof that gays choose to be gay.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:28 am

Apollonesia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:1a: Prove your "God" exists.
1b: I thought your magical sky faerie was supposed to have created everything...
2: Prove homosexuality is a "sexual disfunction"...
3: Why should anyone one care about your religion's idea of sin?
4: That's nice... No-one cares.
5: Why not? Not all churches are homophobic.
6: No, it wouldn't. There is no right to discriminate.

1a & b. :roll:
2. I already received a link to a psychologist's opinion. I don't need another. Nice try.
3. No reason.
4. Cute. Umad?
5. Pro-Gay church? How strange.

Pro-gay church? You need to get out more. There are more than a few.
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