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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:50 am

Lessnt wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
No, no. You're the one trying to disprove the commonly held belief that gays are still widely discriminated against.

You need to provide the evidence.

That isnt what I have been saying.


You seem remarkably confused on what you are saying. I think we need a map reference for these ever-teleporting goalposts.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby The Archiepelago » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:50 am

Chamdo wrote:That teen is honestly one of my heroes. It's time for change, it's time everyone no matter what sex, religion or colour they are receive the same rights, it's time for true equality.


I agree 100%
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:50 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:Yeah, and drunk people should be allowed to drive :roll:

THe public has a much better understanding of drunk people than they do of the mentally ill.
Given your post I would guess you know little to nothing and only know what the media shows.


I'm sorry but I still don't quite understand the problem here. You've said that you want anybody to be able to marry whatever they want. So why are you still arguing whatever point you're arguing? Why not just say, "let's everybody stop being dicks and push this legislation through and move on to the next thing".
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Postby Juristonia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:51 am

Lessnt wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
I haven't posted a source cause I haven't made any claims.
I've merely asked you to prove your claims, which you still haven't managed to do.

My mistake.
I do not trust the source provided and I have thus dismissed it.
You have made claims.
For example you claimed you have made no claims.


Unless you're a four year old, that kind of behaviour won't get you anywhere.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:51 am

The free thinking few wrote:
Lessnt wrote:THe public has a much better understanding of drunk people than they do of the mentally ill.
Given your post I would guess you know little to nothing and only know what the media shows.

Actually i have a lot of experience with the mentally ill. 3 cousins in fact.

1 of them is no longer allowed near sharp objects since he chopped off his finger

Ya whats their mental illness?How severe?When were they diagnosed and by what kind of doctor.

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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:Actually i have a lot of experience with the mentally ill. 3 cousins in fact.

1 of them is no longer allowed near sharp objects since he chopped off his finger

Ya whats their mental illness?How severe?When were they diagnosed and by what kind of doctor.


...severe enough that they cut off their own finger? :unsure:
"I guess it would just be a guy who, you know, grabs bananas and runs. Or a banana that grabs things. I don't know. Why would a banana grab another banana? I mean those are the kind of questions I don't want to answer."

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Postby Juristonia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:You seem remarkably confused on what you are saying. I think we need a map reference for these ever-teleporting goalposts.


Forget the goal posts.
This guy is playing on an empty field.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Lessnt wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
I haven't posted a source cause I haven't made any claims.
I've merely asked you to prove your claims, which you still haven't managed to do.

My mistake.
I do not trust the source provided and I have thus dismissed it.


This particular logical fallacy is called 'poisoning the well'.

Discarding a source because of your own preference is not a valid debate tactic - instead, you have to counter the source with opposing evidence - or else it stands,
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Postby Tekania » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Lessnt wrote:I dont care who they want to marry they can love and get EVERYTHING a married couple can legally but they turned it down.(because they are stupid)
getting the same titles do not count as equality.
That is not something they should get.
California has been battling this out far longer than the rest of the states.
You can figure out this sham soon enough if you have an open mind.
They want special treatment.They are not entitled to the changes they want.No one is.


Getting the same title does count as equality when they are in a situation where they are given a different title which does not convey the same rights. No one here gives two shits about how long the homophobic idiots in Cali have been "battling this".
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Ravenvalles » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

He has every right to get his message heard, and this is good for the conservative candidates. If they can not deal effectively with a heckler, they need to work on their stumping skills. For those of us of the libertarian bend, we need to know what these so called conservative politicians really stand for, and what they will and will not support.

For the conservatives to win next election, the tea party, republicans, and libertarians will have to find a candidate that they can support. This type of event shows a candidates metal. however I completely agree with Buffett and Colbert in that we are a civilized people, and there are rules for proper discourse. Just because one disagrees with another's opinion, they are not a "shitbag".
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Lessnt wrote:That isnt what I have been saying.


You seem remarkably confused on what you are saying. I think we need a map reference for these ever-teleporting goalposts.

I think you are misunderstanding.You may need to carefully read my posts.

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Postby The Anti-Cosmic Gods » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:Actually i have a lot of experience with the mentally ill. 3 cousins in fact.

1 of them is no longer allowed near sharp objects since he chopped off his finger

Ya whats their mental illness?How severe?When were they diagnosed and by what kind of doctor.



All of which is information we are under no obligation to give you.

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Postby The free thinking few » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:52 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:Actually i have a lot of experience with the mentally ill. 3 cousins in fact.

1 of them is no longer allowed near sharp objects since he chopped off his finger

Ya whats their mental illness?How severe?When were they diagnosed and by what kind of doctor.

:palm:

You really are hopeless, aint ya?
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:53 am

Tekania wrote:
Lessnt wrote:I dont care who they want to marry they can love and get EVERYTHING a married couple can legally but they turned it down.(because they are stupid)
getting the same titles do not count as equality.
That is not something they should get.
California has been battling this out far longer than the rest of the states.
You can figure out this sham soon enough if you have an open mind.
They want special treatment.They are not entitled to the changes they want.No one is.


Getting the same title does count as equality when they are in a situation where they are given a different title which does not convey the same rights. No one here gives two shits about how long the homophobic idiots in Cali have been "battling this".

It does convey the same rights.
They are fighting over a title now.

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Lessnt
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:53 am

The free thinking few wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Ya whats their mental illness?How severe?When were they diagnosed and by what kind of doctor.

:palm:

You really are hopeless, aint ya?

You really do not get it do you?

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Postby Juristonia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:54 am

Lessnt wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Getting the same title does count as equality when they are in a situation where they are given a different title which does not convey the same rights. No one here gives two shits about how long the homophobic idiots in Cali have been "battling this".

It does convey the same rights.
They are fighting over a title now.


You have still yet to prove that they were offered those same rights.
Once you do that, you get to whine about the small stuff.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby The Anti-Cosmic Gods » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:54 am

Lessnt wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
You seem remarkably confused on what you are saying. I think we need a map reference for these ever-teleporting goalposts.

I think you are misunderstanding.You may need to carefully read my posts.



Its funny, everyone thinks you're saying something different and we're all apparently wrong. Since we're so stupid, why don't you tell us slowly what you are saying? Aside from the fact that gay people apparently have it pretty good and just whine for special treatment.

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Postby The free thinking few » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:54 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote: :palm:

You really are hopeless, aint ya?

You really do not get it do you?

i get it perfectly. Your a bigot with the politcal and social knowledge of a wheel of cheese...

Actually worse, the wheel at least has a stamp telling who made it
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The free thinking few wrote:You guys can never complain about my dirty mind as long as Zeno is around
:hug:

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Postby Hydesland » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:55 am

Amansio wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Credit to him, Bachmann should be ashamed.


Kind of a strong word for a mere political viewpoint.


I wouldn't care if it was just a viewpoint. But there is a difference between having a viewpoint, and actively trying to force that viewpoint on others, which she has a chance of doing.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:55 am

Lessnt wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
You seem remarkably confused on what you are saying. I think we need a map reference for these ever-teleporting goalposts.

I think you are misunderstanding.You may need to carefully read my posts.


I've read them very carefully. There is no internal logic between them and the argument keeps changing. Perhaps you should come back to us when you've thought about it a bit more.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:55 am

The free thinking few wrote:
Lessnt wrote:You really do not get it do you?

i get it perfectly. Your a bigot with the politcal and social knowledge of a wheel of cheese...

Actually worse, the wheel at least has a stamp telling who made it

Troll alert.

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Postby Ravenvalles » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:55 am

Lessnt wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Getting the same title does count as equality when they are in a situation where they are given a different title which does not convey the same rights. No one here gives two shits about how long the homophobic idiots in Cali have been "battling this".

It does convey the same rights.
They are fighting over a title now.

Separate but equal, never was equal.
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Postby The free thinking few » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:56 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:i get it perfectly. Your a bigot with the politcal and social knowledge of a wheel of cheese...

Actually worse, the wheel at least has a stamp telling who made it

Troll alert.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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The free thinking few wrote:You guys can never complain about my dirty mind as long as Zeno is around
:hug:

You're coming on strong
You're showing your kolour
Like a setting sun
Come a little closer
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Postby Munathanura » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:56 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:i get it perfectly. Your a bigot with the politcal and social knowledge of a wheel of cheese...

Actually worse, the wheel at least has a stamp telling who made it

Troll alert.


Since you're so quick to accuse others of being trolls, surely you won't mind proving to me that you're not one and actually provide me with a source proving your previous claims that gays refused an opportunity to have the same rights as heterosexual couples?
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Postby Juristonia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:57 am

Lessnt wrote:
The free thinking few wrote:i get it perfectly. Your a bigot with the politcal and social knowledge of a wheel of cheese...

Actually worse, the wheel at least has a stamp telling who made it

Troll alert.


There's only one person most of us are considering to be a troll in this thread, and I'm fairly certain it's not him.
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Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.

Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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