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Postby Munathanura » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:49 am

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Bottle wrote:That is precisely the same argument that was made by people who insisted that it wasn't discrimination to ban interracial marriage, because a black man could marry a black woman and a white man could marry a white woman and therefore everyone had "equal rights."

That argument was rejected by the Supreme Court before I was born.

So not only are you not clever for thinking of this, you're actually anti-clever because you're using an argument that was shredded publicly DECADES ago. That's like walking around bragging about how you invented this brand new kind of humor where a guy slips on a banana peel.

Race and sexual preference are two different things.
I suppose we should treat all sexual preferences equally.


So you believe that gay partnerships should be recognised as equal to heterosexual partnerships, that gays should be able to get married (to each other, not to someone they have no sexual attraction to) and have the exact same rights as a heterosexual couple? Because that would most definitely be treating sexual preference equally.
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:50 am

Munathanura wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Race and sexual preference are two different things.
I suppose we should treat all sexual preferences equally.


So you believe that gay partnerships should be recognised as equal to heterosexual partnerships, that gays should be able to get married (to each other, not to someone they have no sexual attraction to) and have the exact same rights as a heterosexual couple? Because that would most definitely be treating sexual preference equally.

Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.

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Postby The free thinking few » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:51 am

Lessnt wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
So you believe that gay partnerships should be recognised as equal to heterosexual partnerships, that gays should be able to get married (to each other, not to someone they have no sexual attraction to) and have the exact same rights as a heterosexual couple? Because that would most definitely be treating sexual preference equally.

Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.

why not? Its there sexuality so why cant you respect that
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Postby Munathanura » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:51 am

Lessnt wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
So you believe that gay partnerships should be recognised as equal to heterosexual partnerships, that gays should be able to get married (to each other, not to someone they have no sexual attraction to) and have the exact same rights as a heterosexual couple? Because that would most definitely be treating sexual preference equally.

Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.


Well, if you say that you want to treat all sexual preferences equally, then you're advocating treating those equally too.
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Postby Bottle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:52 am

Lessnt wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
So you believe that gay partnerships should be recognised as equal to heterosexual partnerships, that gays should be able to get married (to each other, not to someone they have no sexual attraction to) and have the exact same rights as a heterosexual couple? Because that would most definitely be treating sexual preference equally.

Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.

Ahh yes, and we're back to how homophobes cannot grasp the concept of "consent."

This is like the Greatest Hits Of The Psychosexually Stunted.
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:53 am

The free thinking few wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.

why not? Its there sexuality so why cant you respect that

Nothing wrong with it.
I assumed you would.
Good luck making it all equal though.

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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:54 am

Bottle wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.

Ahh yes, and we're back to how homophobes cannot grasp the concept of "consent."

This is like the Greatest Hits Of The Psychosexually Stunted.

are you saying that animals have no ability to give consent?
and no living person who may die one day cannot give consent?

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Postby Bottle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:55 am

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Ahh yes, and we're back to how homophobes cannot grasp the concept of "consent."

This is like the Greatest Hits Of The Psychosexually Stunted.

are you saying that animals have no ability to give consent?
and no living person who may die one day cannot give consent?

Are you saying you actually think that a dog can enter a legally binding contract, or that a corpse can?
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Postby The free thinking few » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:55 am

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The free thinking few wrote:why not? Its there sexuality so why cant you respect that

Nothing wrong with it.
I assumed you would.
Good luck making it all equal though.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:57 am

Lessnt wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
So you believe that gay partnerships should be recognised as equal to heterosexual partnerships, that gays should be able to get married (to each other, not to someone they have no sexual attraction to) and have the exact same rights as a heterosexual couple? Because that would most definitely be treating sexual preference equally.

Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.


Take a moment to meditate on the difference between sex and rape.
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:58 am

Bottle wrote:
Lessnt wrote:are you saying that animals have no ability to give consent?
and no living person who may die one day cannot give consent?

Are you saying you actually think that a dog can enter a legally binding contract, or that a corpse can?

With the way technology is advancing and the way we change definitions to suit people who have different sexual preferences I believe it may be possible in teh future.

Corpses are easy.Those corpses use to be living people who can make contracts as to what happens when they are dead.

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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:59 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Lets treat beastiality equally too.Necrophilia.And so on.


Take a moment to meditate on the difference between sex and rape.

Take a moment to use your imagination and creativity.And maybe you will realise there are more options.

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Postby Bottle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:59 am

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Are you saying you actually think that a dog can enter a legally binding contract, or that a corpse can?

With the way technology is advancing and the way we change definitions to suit people who have different sexual preferences I believe it may be possible in teh future.

Corpses are easy.Those corpses use to be living people who can make contracts as to what happens when they are dead.

Ok, so we've established that you don't understand what "consent" is. Fair enough.
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:59 am

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Ahh yes, and we're back to how homophobes cannot grasp the concept of "consent."

This is like the Greatest Hits Of The Psychosexually Stunted.

are you saying that animals have no ability to give consent?

Yes. Doy.

and no living person who may die one day cannot give consent?


If you write in your will "oh PS, I'm cool with people fucking my corpse". Then sure, that's all good.

As an addition to this, also children can't consent.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:00 am

Lessnt wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Take a moment to meditate on the difference between sex and rape.

Take a moment to use your imagination and creativity.And maybe you will realise there are more options.


If you're suggesting there's a third option that's somewhere between consensual sex and rape... that's kinda creepy.
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Postby Bottle » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:00 am

Lessnt wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Take a moment to meditate on the difference between sex and rape.

Take a moment to use your imagination and creativity.And maybe you will realise there are more options.

Oh lord, please no, I'd rather not imagine the kind of sick and twisted crap that goes on in the mind of somebody who thinks that a same-sex couple is equivalent to some guy fucking a dead body.
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Postby Munathanura » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:02 am

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Are you saying you actually think that a dog can enter a legally binding contract, or that a corpse can?

With the way technology is advancing and the way we change definitions to suit people who have different sexual preferences I believe it may be possible in teh future.

Corpses are easy.Those corpses use to be living people who can make contracts as to what happens when they are dead.


Why don't we get back to the real issue? Where's the source for your claims that gays were offered the exact equivalent of a heterosexual marriage but refused it because they wanted to be treated special?
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:06 am

Munathanura wrote:
Lessnt wrote:With the way technology is advancing and the way we change definitions to suit people who have different sexual preferences I believe it may be possible in teh future.

Corpses are easy.Those corpses use to be living people who can make contracts as to what happens when they are dead.


Why don't we get back to the real issue? Where's the source for your claims that gays were offered the exact equivalent of a heterosexual marriage but refused it because they wanted to be treated special?

Go look up california gay marriage debates.I am sure you will find it.

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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:07 am

Bottle wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Take a moment to use your imagination and creativity.And maybe you will realise there are more options.

Oh lord, please no, I'd rather not imagine the kind of sick and twisted crap that goes on in the mind of somebody who thinks that a same-sex couple is equivalent to some guy fucking a dead body.

Both are sexual preferences.
People use to react the exact same way towards gay relations.
I cant believe i am using popular gay rights arguements on you.

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Postby Munathanura » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:09 am

Lessnt wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
Why don't we get back to the real issue? Where's the source for your claims that gays were offered the exact equivalent of a heterosexual marriage but refused it because they wanted to be treated special?

Go look up california gay marriage debates.I am sure you will find it.


You made the assertion, so the burden of proof is on you. If you can't back up your claims, or refuse to do so, then I have to believe that you don't have a source and are just stating your own opinion.

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Oh lord, please no, I'd rather not imagine the kind of sick and twisted crap that goes on in the mind of somebody who thinks that a same-sex couple is equivalent to some guy fucking a dead body.

Both are sexual preferences.
People use to react the exact same way towards gay relations.
I cant believe i am using popular gay rights arguements on you.


Both might be sexual preferences, but homosexuality has the added benefit of informed consent. Biiiiiiiigggg difference there.
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:10 am

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Oh lord, please no, I'd rather not imagine the kind of sick and twisted crap that goes on in the mind of somebody who thinks that a same-sex couple is equivalent to some guy fucking a dead body.

Both are sexual preferences.
People use to react the exact same way towards gay relations.
I cant believe i am using popular gay rights arguements on you.


You're not doing it very well, I'm afraid.
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:10 am

Munathanura wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Go look up california gay marriage debates.I am sure you will find it.


You made the assertion, so the burden of proof is on you. If you can't back up your claims, or refuse to do so, then I have to believe that you don't have a source and are just stating your own opinion.

Lessnt wrote:Both are sexual preferences.
People use to react the exact same way towards gay relations.
I cant believe i am using popular gay rights arguements on you.


Both might be sexual preferences, but homosexuality has the added benefit of informed consent. Biiiiiiiigggg difference there.


I think I explained both already.
Lets not make this circular and you can go troll someone else.

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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:10 am

Lessnt wrote:
Bottle wrote:Oh lord, please no, I'd rather not imagine the kind of sick and twisted crap that goes on in the mind of somebody who thinks that a same-sex couple is equivalent to some guy fucking a dead body.

Both are sexual preferences.
People use to react the exact same way towards gay relations.
I cant believe i am using popular gay rights arguements on you.


I'm sorry but what exactly is your argument? I can't remember. Is it "what next. Gays getting married; next thing you know we'll be marrying lamp posts."?
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Postby Lessnt » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:11 am

Mr Bananagrabber wrote:
Lessnt wrote:Both are sexual preferences.
People use to react the exact same way towards gay relations.
I cant believe i am using popular gay rights arguements on you.


I'm sorry but what exactly is your argument? I can't remember. Is it "what next. Gays getting married; next thing you know we'll be marrying lamp posts."?

I think people should marry what they want.
Not at the expense of freedom.
Not with special treatment.
If they wanna make a new religion that has gay marriage I have no problem.

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Postby Juristonia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:13 am

Lessnt wrote:I think I explained both already.
Lets not make this circular and you can go troll someone else.


You haven't explained a thing.
You made an argument (very poorly) and now the burden of proof for that argument is on you.
It's not someone else's responsibility to disprove your claims. It is up to you to prove them.
That is how a normal discussion works. You do know how to have a normal discussion, don't you?
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