Democrats take seats in Wisconsin : Both Sides Claim Victory

[Greater Cabinda]

The recall was a virtual referendum on national policy, seeing as Wisconsin is the test-bed for Tea Party ideas.

Voting dude, voting. Not policy, but how people will vote.

We already know how people will vote. The Republicans have a 71% disapproval rating.

[Atlantian Empire]

Voting dude, voting. Not policy, but how people will vote.

We already know how people will vote. The Republicans have a 71% disapproval rating.

That's sad, should be higher.

[Greater Cabinda]

We already know how people will vote. The Republicans have a 71% disapproval rating.

That's sad, should be higher.

If it means anything to you, I guarantee that it will be by Christmas.

[Sovereign Spirits]

And so the pendulum of tyranny swings yet again, entrancing and capturing a gullible, naive populace whichever way it moves.

The system is preserved. Both claim victory. The only ones who lose are we the people.

[F1-Insanity]

While I'm pretty sure conservative pundits are going to take this and run with it, I'm pretty sure they're forgetting the simple fact that people were pissed enough to get 2 Republicans out of power (which, because one Republican in the State Senate is opposed to Walker's policies, means that his policies will be blocked until the recall elections for Governor in January). This is an undoubted victory for the progressive movement as a whole. We've managed to oust 2 politicians for their policies. That's a first.

But don't let the fact that there is no money to pay for the lavish benefits of the public sector unions get in the way of your fantasy.

Sixty years of deficits and ever increasing debt has apparently not taught the 'progressive movement' a damn thing. They just keep demanding their benefits and never mind that they want them now while the future has to pay for it (which in the future will mean the money is run out altogether).

[Charlotte Ryberg]

If two other Democrats survive next week's challenge then there is no way that the Republicans can easily claim victory, in my opinion.

[Farnhamia]

While I'm pretty sure conservative pundits are going to take this and run with it, I'm pretty sure they're forgetting the simple fact that people were pissed enough to get 2 Republicans out of power (which, because one Republican in the State Senate is opposed to Walker's policies, means that his policies will be blocked until the recall elections for Governor in January). This is an undoubted victory for the progressive movement as a whole. We've managed to oust 2 politicians for their policies. That's a first.

But don't let the fact that there is no money to pay for the lavish benefits of the public sector unions get in the way of your fantasy.

Sixty years of deficits and ever increasing debt has apparently not taught the 'progressive movement' a damn thing. They just keep demanding their benefits and never mind that they want them now while the future has to pay for it (which in the future will mean the money is run out altogether).

"Lavish benefits"? Please. I've never seen any teachers driving around in fancy cars or buying huge mansions, have you?

It might also interest you that the Democrats and the unions in question (the ones that supported Walker's election campaign were exempt) accepted the financial details of the budget repair bill. What the unions balked at was being stripped of collective bargaining rights for benefits.

[Wikkiwallana]

I doubt it. from NewsMax, with my bold + underline:

I invoke the Montoya Principle.

He killed your father?

[Grave_n_idle]

I invoke the Montoya Principle.

He killed your father?

The other Montoya Principle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

[Wikkiwallana]

And so the pendulum of tyranny swings yet again, entrancing and capturing a gullible, naive populace whichever way it moves.

The system is preserved. Both claim victory. The only ones who lose are we the people.

Empty words are spoken. The speaker thinks they are meaningful. Another day in NSG.

[Delator]

But don't let the fact that there is no money to pay for the lavish benefits of the public sector unions get in the way of your fantasy.

The only reason there is no money is because Walker gave it all away in the form of tax cuts to his corporate donors.

...but the Right should go ahead and keep scapegoating hard-working middle class people some more. I'm sure it will pay off in the long run.

[Revolutopia]

Riiiiiiiiiight. Because, of course, the fact that they elected Republicans to the State Senate in a Democratic wave year makes then Democratic strongholds. Of course.

Whatever. You wanna ignore reality, go ahead & be my guest.

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Though, as far any of your replies:



Adorable, really, but I'm not wasting anymore time.

The fact is that you are completely ignoring his point, it does not matter if they voted for Obama( a solid majority of the country did) or voted against Prosser(as that only further proves their displeasure with Walker) but the fact that their State Senator was Republican.

In how unless Wisconsin elects their state senators for 8 or more years Hopper and Kapanke had to been elected in 2006, 2008, 0r 2010 as those only election years available. Well first we can discount 2010 as if they were elected then they would not be open for recall so that only leaves 2006 or 2008.

Both 2006 and 2008 were major Democratic wave, i.e the Democrats were able to make tremendous gains, and a major down year for Republicans therefore for a district to elect a Republican in either of those years means that the district must be fairly conservative. Otherwise, they should have easily went to the Democratic challenger/candidate similarly as what happened on the national scale.

The reason why Labour was willing to try to oust Republicans in GOP safe spot was that they were trying to oust/challenge as many Republicans they could and a majority of those open to challenge were situated in safe spots. As the others were elected in 2010 and cannot be challenged until they have served a year.

[The House of Petain]

Well shit guys, so much for an upset. Maddow lied to me!

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

Pretty sickening that people are dumb enough to vote Republican even after all the bullshit they've been throwing at us for the past 30 years.

I guess removing rights for women, faggots and jews is more important than the future of America.

[Fal Dara in Shienar]

Edited my post for clarity and a bit more detail ect ect...

Though, as far any of your replies:



Adorable, really, but I'm not wasting anymore time.

The fact is that you are completely ignoring his point, it does not matter if they voted for Obama( a solid majority of the country did) or voted against Prosser(as that only further proves their displeasure with Walker) but the fact that their State Senator was Republican.

I'm just going to flat out disagree with the point that "it does not matter if they voted for Obama or voted against Prosser." If they voted solidly for McCain in 2008, that would make a large difference. A very large one. If they had voted for Prosser, equally, that would have made a large difference. Anyway you cut it, I just don't see how their 2008 election results or AG results aren't indicative of certain facets of their nature.

In how unless Wisconsin elects their state senators for 8 or more years Hopper and Kapanke had to been elected in 2006, 2008, 0r 2010 as those only election years available. Well first we can discount 2010 as if they were elected then they would not be open for recall so that only leaves 2006 or 2008.

I, very strongly, do not understand why you immediately discount 2010 as a point of reference. Perhaps it seems like an open and shut prima facie case to you. To me, I'm mystified. I mean, if they were elected with 99.9% of the vote in 2010, then that would say something about the vote today. If they were elected with 50% +1 of the vote, that would also say something.

Both 2006 and 2008 were major Democratic wave, i.e the Democrats were able to make tremendous gains, and a major down year for Republicans therefore for a district to elect a Republican in either of those years means that the district must be fairly conservative. Otherwise, they should have easily went to the Democratic challenger/candidate similarly as what happened on the national scale.

That would make sense, if it weren't for the fact that in neither Democrat wins the voters chose the Republican ticket. Indeed, they rejected it quite soundly. If a rising national tide, so to speak, lifted all regional ships: one wonders why the 18th went 47 McCain and the 32nd went 38 McCain even though they voted, respectively, 50.1% and 51.4% for their Republican State Senators. In a nutshell, it sounds much more like a Democrat district happened to find upon a regional sweetheart irregardless of the individual's national party. Then, once the honeymoon lifted, they realized that a Republican was running their district and at the soonest possible moment switched a few percentage points. If that makes any sense.

The reason why Labour was willing to try to oust Republicans in GOP safe spot was that they were trying to oust/challenge as many Republicans they could and a majority of those open to challenge were situated in safe spots.

Eight Republicans was "as many as they could?" I'm not very familiar with the fundraising and 'get-out-the-vote' arms of Labor, but I was under the impression that if they wanted as many as they could do (not, necessarily, win) then they could do all the State Senate seats. Equally, it is hard to imagine the Republican losses as "safe spots," given their previous showing. I mean, if >52% is undoubtedly "safe," one wonders what unsafe Republican seats are?

[The House of Petain]

Pretty sickening that people are dumb enough to vote Republican even after all the bullshit they've been throwing at us for the past 30 years.

I guess removing rights for women, faggots and jews is more important than the future of America.

Yeah, I know. It's funny how Wisconsin has become gayless, Jewless and without women within the last year.

No, I think it's one shitty party to another and in this case, Wisconsinites saw the Democrats as being the more evil one. Rather than, um, going "hey people are stupid, how dare they not vote for the Democrats." We, the Democrats, should probably stop disappointing the people.

[New Chalcedon]

Edited my post for clarity and a bit more detail ect ect...

Though, as far any of your replies:



Adorable, really, but I'm not wasting anymore time.

The fact is that you are completely ignoring his point, it does not matter if they voted for Obama( a solid majority of the country did) or voted against Prosser(as that only further proves their displeasure with Walker) but the fact that their State Senator was Republican.

In how unless Wisconsin elects their state senators for 8 or more years Hopper and Kapanke had to been elected in 2006, 2008, 0r 2010 as those only election years available. Well first we can discount 2010 as if they were elected then they would not be open for recall so that only leaves 2006 or 2008.

Both 2006 and 2008 were major Democratic wave, i.e the Democrats were able to make tremendous gains, and a major down year for Republicans therefore for a district to elect a Republican in either of those years means that the district must be fairly conservative. Otherwise, they should have easily went to the Democratic challenger/candidate similarly as what happened on the national scale.

The reason why Labour was willing to try to oust Republicans in GOP safe spot was that they were trying to oust/challenge as many Republicans they could and a majority of those open to challenge were situated in safe spots. As the others were elected in 2010 and cannot be challenged until they have served a year.

They were elected in 2008. One of the losing Republicans was embroiled in a scandal (Randy "The Whore" Hopper), and the other (Dan Kapanke) was admittely representing a (relatively) blue district. All of which ignores the simple fact that these two Republicans were Republicans who had won their districts in a year when Democrats won in places like North Carolina, Alaska, Ohio and Indiana, yet lost them in special elections when the Democratic Party is supposedly "on the ropes", "reeling" and "doomed to lose", according to the lamestream media.

It also ignores the fact that the Wisconsin GOP - knowingly - created "fake" Democrats to stand against real Democrats in primaries that drained the strength of the WI Dems and muddied the issues forthe average Wisconsonite. I'm not talking about some CorporaDem or ConservaDem running in a primary; I'm talking about under-orders Republican operatives registering as Democrats, then running in the primaries with Republican backing, all to buy time for the main GOP smear-machine to attack the real Democrats. And it worked - the original date for the recalls was July 12. Instead, it was August 9, and that extra four weeks of non-stop right-wing attack ads, funded by the limitless money of (among others) the Chamber of Commerce & Industry and the Koch Bros. made all the difference.

[Greed and Death]

Voting dude, voting. Not policy, but how people will vote.

We already know how people will vote. The Republicans have a 71% disapproval rating.

but the election is a year and a 1/4 away. People in the US forget very easily.

[Sane Outcasts]

We already know how people will vote. The Republicans have a 71% disapproval rating.

but the election is a year and a 1/4 away. People in the US forget very easily.

Only if the vicious partisanship we've seen just goes away in the next few months, which I seriously doubt will happen.

[Gauthier]

but the election is a year and a 1/4 away. People in the US forget very easily.

Only if the vicious partisanship we've seen just goes away in the next few months, which I seriously doubt will happen.

As long as the GOP are collectively the Teabaggers' bitches that ain't gonna happen.

[Greed and Death]

but the election is a year and a 1/4 away. People in the US forget very easily.

Only if the vicious partisanship we've seen just goes away in the next few months, which I seriously doubt will happen.

More like if only the GOP stops flooding TV with Ads will people remember.

[Gauthier]

Only if the vicious partisanship we've seen just goes away in the next few months, which I seriously doubt will happen.

More like if only the GOP stops flooding TV with Ads will people remember.

And even with the flood of ads they lost 2 seats. The drug tolerance is starting to kick in.

[The House of Petain]

but the election is a year and a 1/4 away. People in the US forget very easily.

Only if the vicious partisanship we've seen just goes away in the next few months, which I seriously doubt will happen.

Not just that, the economy is about to tank, unemployment is beginning to climb. Yeah, I don't think Obama's going to win. I'm not even sure I'll vote for the guy, and I'm a goddamn Democrat.

[Greed and Death]

More like if only the GOP stops flooding TV with Ads will people remember.

And even with the flood of ads they lost 2 seats. The drug tolerance is starting to kick in.

They did not have a 1 year and a quarter to do it.

[Farnhamia]

Only if the vicious partisanship we've seen just goes away in the next few months, which I seriously doubt will happen.

Not just that, the economy is about to tank, unemployment is beginning to climb. Yeah, I don't think Obama's going to win. I'm not even sure I'll vote for the guy, and I'm a goddamn Democrat.

Who are you going to vote for? Mitt, and a party that hasn't had a new idea since the Emancipation Proclamation? Stewart Alexander? (Wasn't he the Vice-President of the Confederacy?)