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Postby Hairless Kitten II » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:05 am

Shahinesian States wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:What do you think of fasting?

Every dietitian can tell you that it will not work. It's better to eat enough (and not more) healthy food around the year.


It has nothing to do with diets, incompetent one. "RAMADAN Fasting" is the name of this thread. It's about religion, not weight loss.


And what's the result of fasting? Weight loss, although very temporally.

You have all kind of diets: the banana diet, the water diet and things like the Ramadan diet.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:14 am

Just the idea makes me hungry.
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Postby Cybach » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:17 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:No, a lot do.

Since during Ramadan Muslims, you know, party out every night with heaps of food. And in the end all that matters, unless you have a medical condition, is that you get the calories. Muslims don't forsake food for the entirety of Ramadan, it's more like they have a high-energy breakfast, skip lunch, and party down at dinner, every night.

A close friend of mine growing up is a Muslim, and her and her mother used to donate the food they'd eat during the day to food banks, and help out. A few years ago her and her husband did some work for habitat for humanity during Ramadan too.



Didn't I go into detail on how I have a specific medical impairment that would make it hard for me to go throughout the day with minimal food? I would start getting tipsy fairly fast. Even in the morning when I get up too fast I sometimes feel extremely dizzy, simply because I did not eat for a good dozen hours. Hence why I always eat at least something every few hours during the day.

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Postby Krypton-Zod » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:19 am

O5vx wrote:The prophet Muhammed sead; Allah did not send me to teach and make things easy"I-so if some Islam orders are hard for you say in your heart i accept it and i do not reject it and when i get chance i will do it and aske Allah from your heart to fogiveness.


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Postby Chiroc » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:28 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:
Shahinesian States wrote:
Hairless Kitten II wrote:What do you think of fasting?

Every dietitian can tell you that it will not work. It's better to eat enough (and not more) healthy food around the year.


It has nothing to do with diets, incompetent one. "RAMADAN Fasting" is the name of this thread. It's about religion, not weight loss.


And what's the result of fasting? Weight loss, although very temporally.

You have all kind of diets: the banana diet, the water diet and things like the Ramadan diet.


Actually fasting during daylight hours doesn't lead to weight loss, the body will think there is a famine and will go into an emergency mode and will store fat. Muslims won't lose weight during ramadan but perhaps stay the same weight or gain if they don't eat enough fibre during night time
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Re: Ramadan Fasting

Postby Chiroc » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:34 am

Krypton-Zod wrote:
O5vx wrote:The prophet Muhammed sead; Allah did not send me to teach and make things easy"I-so if some Islam orders are hard for you say in your heart i accept it and i do not reject it and when i get chance i will do it and aske Allah from your heart to fogiveness.


Murderer Muhammad also said: 'When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. (Q 9:5)


Within Context I can understand this for Muhammad was at a time of war - the bible has similar passages, but the Qur'an is perhaps the only religious scripture that cites "there is no compulsion in religion" 2:256

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Re: Ramadan Fasting

Postby Risottia » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:36 am

O5vx wrote:What do you think of fasting?


Useless. Like most rituals.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:44 am

Cybach wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:No, a lot do.

Since during Ramadan Muslims, you know, party out every night with heaps of food. And in the end all that matters, unless you have a medical condition, is that you get the calories. Muslims don't forsake food for the entirety of Ramadan, it's more like they have a high-energy breakfast, skip lunch, and party down at dinner, every night.

A close friend of mine growing up is a Muslim, and her and her mother used to donate the food they'd eat during the day to food banks, and help out. A few years ago her and her husband did some work for habitat for humanity during Ramadan too.



Didn't I go into detail on how I have a specific medical impairment that would make it hard for me to go throughout the day with minimal food? I would start getting tipsy fairly fast. Even in the morning when I get up too fast I sometimes feel extremely dizzy, simply because I did not eat for a good dozen hours. Hence why I always eat at least something every few hours during the day.


And if you were a Muslim (Or are?), nobody (Except the Saudis I guess) would force you to fast.

Although if you were devout you might try and push your limits. Not just for religious purposes. You don't know your own limits, and thus yourself, unless you push them.
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Re: Ramadan Fasting

Postby Krypton-Zod » Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:45 am

Chiroc wrote:
Krypton-Zod wrote:
O5vx wrote:The prophet Muhammed sead; Allah did not send me to teach and make things easy"I-so if some Islam orders are hard for you say in your heart i accept it and i do not reject it and when i get chance i will do it and aske Allah from your heart to fogiveness.


Murderer Muhammad also said: 'When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. (Q 9:5)


Within Context I can understand this for Muhammad was at a time of war - the bible has similar passages, but the Qur'an is perhaps the only religious scripture that cites "there is no compulsion in religion" 2:256


There we go with that context crapola again. The reason it was a time of war, is because Muhammad started them. At least 73 that we know of thanks to islam's glorification of them. Maybe Hitler can be excused too, since it was a time of war? Hitler's ideology killed fewer people than Muhammad's did.

Oh, and you forgot that 'leaving islam' carries the death penalty. All schools of thought within islam agree on this, without exception. Source: Adbul Qadir Oudah (1999). Kitab Bhavan. ISBN 81-7151-273-9. Volume II. pp. 258-262.

So how does that 'no compulsion' stuff work? Sounds like the typical islamic propaganda to fool the gullible westener to me. And besides, in islamic law, later verses supersede earlier ones, so the one you mention doesn't apply anymore, technically speaking. Unfortunately for the gullible crowd, the quran gets increasingly violent in the latter half. Kinda like mein kampf, but somewhat more extreme.
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Postby Call to power » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:06 am

Nodinia wrote:
O5vx wrote:What do you think of fasting?


I'd only do it for political status.


what about to impress a chick/dude/my cat?
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Postby Cabra West » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:16 am

O5vx wrote:What do you think of fasting?


Pointless.
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Postby Cabra West » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:17 am

Samatolian City-States wrote:I think it could help solve the obesity problem.


It's more likely to make it worse, actually.
You don't sustainably lose weight by not eating for a while, and then stuffing yourself again. You lose weight by changing your diet long-term.
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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:18 am

I just read an article by jeffrey Kluger who said that fasting alters brain chemistry and can lead to feels of mental clarity and exaltation.

He says that atheists say so what, it's merely physical.

Well, ok, eating is also only physical but i won't stop eating.

maybe i should also fast if it has its own benefits.

It would not have to be religious, although if it is that should not matter.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... -2,00.html
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:19 am

Call to power wrote:I wouldn't do it myself because then I'd have to have a huge feast at night which is effort

but I wouldn't say no to being invited to someone else's feast :lol:

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I tend toward the opposite idea. Getting together with good friends and family, enjoying a shared meal and good company seems closer to God in my mind than magic crackers or even no food at all.


having a huge family squabble is what God is all about?

Yep. :)
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:36 am

Cabra West wrote:
O5vx wrote:What do you think of fasting?


Pointless.


What about fasting because the doctor says you should fast before going in for surgery?
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Postby Cabra West » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:42 am

Blouman Empire wrote:
Cabra West wrote:
O5vx wrote:What do you think of fasting?


Pointless.


What about fasting because the doctor says you should fast before going in for surgery?


Nothing to do with Ramadan, though, is it? Or religious fasting on the whole.
The doctor would tell you not to eat anything for a day, not to not have anything while the sun's up, but stuff yourself at night.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:44 am

Cabra West wrote:Nothing to do with Ramadan, though, is it? Or religious fasting on the whole.


Ah but that isn't the question you quoted now is it?

Despite the title of the OP, the question just asks about fasting.

The doctor would tell you not to eat anything for a day, not to not have anything while the sun's up, but stuff yourself at night.


That is not the only definiton of fasting though is it?
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Postby SaintB » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:46 am

Hairless Kitten II wrote:What do you think of fasting?

Every dietitian can tell you that it will not work. It's better to eat enough (and not more) healthy food around the year.

The problem with healthy food is it comes in such small portions you end up eating much more than you need to.
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Postby Bohovia » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:46 am

Im currently asting, but I have strepped throat (i think) if i take medicine ill break y fast, and I have never broke my fast, should i brave it out for another 9 hours, or take the pills?

PS: Fasting is very easy,and is very rewarding, in the sense that you figure out that, you have self control, and can keep your fast, even if you are straving. Some rude people will desribe that they will eat, over a letter or phone, to a muslim, in hopes of making the muslim feel bad, but part of ramadan is to control he urge and tone those assholes out. There is an example, on the 1st page of this thread, (he says imma go eat hot pockets)
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Postby Cabra West » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:53 am

Blouman Empire wrote:
Cabra West wrote:Nothing to do with Ramadan, though, is it? Or religious fasting on the whole.


Ah but that isn't the question you quoted now is it?

Despite the title of the OP, the question just asks about fasting.


If you opened a thread called "Kiddie porn", and just asked "What kind of porn do you like" in the OP, would you nitpick at people replying with the title in mind?

The doctor would tell you not to eat anything for a day, not to not have anything while the sun's up, but stuff yourself at night.


That is not the only definiton of fasting though is it?


It's the definition of Ramadan fasting. If the OP was on about medical fasting, she should have said so.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:55 am

Cabra West wrote:If you opened a thread called "Kiddie porn", and just asked "What kind of porn do you like" in the OP, would you nitpick at people replying with the title in mind?


Actually yes I would.

It's the definition of Ramadan fasting. If the OP was on about medical fasting, she should have said so.
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Indeed she should've but the question was about fasting, so really any type.
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Postby Cybach » Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:58 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Cybach wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:No, a lot do.

Since during Ramadan Muslims, you know, party out every night with heaps of food. And in the end all that matters, unless you have a medical condition, is that you get the calories. Muslims don't forsake food for the entirety of Ramadan, it's more like they have a high-energy breakfast, skip lunch, and party down at dinner, every night.

A close friend of mine growing up is a Muslim, and her and her mother used to donate the food they'd eat during the day to food banks, and help out. A few years ago her and her husband did some work for habitat for humanity during Ramadan too.



Didn't I go into detail on how I have a specific medical impairment that would make it hard for me to go throughout the day with minimal food? I would start getting tipsy fairly fast. Even in the morning when I get up too fast I sometimes feel extremely dizzy, simply because I did not eat for a good dozen hours. Hence why I always eat at least something every few hours during the day.


And if you were a Muslim (Or are?), nobody (Except the Saudis I guess) would force you to fast.

Although if you were devout you might try and push your limits. Not just for religious purposes. You don't know your own limits, and thus yourself, unless you push them.



I am not a Muslim. I am agnostic, but culturally Catholic. Meaning I attend Church 2-3x a year with a large family gathering as a social event. As well as attend baptism and communions, which are treated as a social/cultural affair rather than a strictly religious ritual.

However I do not hold any overly negative views about Islam as a religion. I only hold negative views of militant Islam or extremist perversions of Islam such as Wahhabi interpretations of Islam. Which in my eyes are the Islamic version of Christian extremist denominations such as the Westboro Church or various Baptist denominations. I for one am tolerant enough to appreciate Islamic art, architecture and culture. I just wish the same amount of tolerance could be found in greater abundance in the Middle East for Christian art, architecture and culture. Or hell, even more tolerance for Islamic art, architecture and culture here in the West would be more appropriate. I think too many people are afraid and have a collective stick up their ass about anything different. In the Middle East (exception Bahrain/UAE/Jordan), and even a little bit here in Europe.

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Postby Jamesatyourdoor » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:03 am

I prefer fighting obesity and ill health by rigorous exercise, fasting just makes me unecessarily hungry. 25 miles a day and more on my bike, and crunch hell leaves me hungry for food and soys,not sitting around contemplating the g[float=][/float]reen days nature of my environment

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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:11 am

Jamesatyourdoor wrote:I prefer fighting obesity and ill health by rigorous exercise, fasting just makes me unecessarily hungry. 25 miles a day and more on my bike, and crunch hell leaves me hungry for food and soys,not sitting around contemplating the g[float=][/float]reen days nature of my environment


Heya James!

Not a bad idea.

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I have a bike stand and i have resistance training, also my step machine and a aerobic class ,and pilates, and a spinning class ,which i use most,

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