Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[Germania Alliance]

Ah, here we got. Three thousand dead last year. God knows how many this year.

Yes, it's Juarez, but refer to my previous statement.

Also, the border between Juarez and El Paso doesn't exist. You can literally drive into Mexico and never know it. I've done it.

[Grave_n_idle]

the Tories are bringing back poll tax.

Might as well, we've already got the civil unrest.

*nods*

[Charlotte Ryberg]

For your information I am okay since I am from Muswell Hill, well outside the trouble spot. We'd be in serious trouble if they set fire to the London 2012 stadium. The riots is not going to improve a very fragile situation especially that we have less than a year left before the Olympic games.

[Kazomal]

I guess that's what happens in Haringey when jobseekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit, and child support don't cover the cost of PS3s, flatscreen televisions, and who knows what else. People deem it acceptable to steal from their neighbours.

Bullshit

[Baltenstein]

Ah, here we got. Three thousand dead last year. God knows how many this year.

Yes, it's Juarez, but refer to my previous statement.

Also, the border between Juarez and El Paso doesn't exist. You can literally drive into Mexico and never know it. I've done it.

Does that mean that El Paso is an urban warzone too?

[Alyakia]

I guess that's what happens in Haringey when jobseekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit, and child support don't cover the cost of PS3s, flatscreen televisions, and who knows what else. People deem it acceptable to steal from their neighbours.

Acrually, wait a minute, wouldn't that 99% of the time be burglary, not robbery? I:

[Alyakia]

It sort of is. At the least, how long were you on it?

Long enough to know what living on it is like. It's hard, but it absolutely does its job without requiring you to steal from your neighbours.

I was hoping for a more concrete/numerical answer.

[Trixiestan]

For your information I am okay since I am from Muswell Hill, well outside the trouble spot. We'd be in serious trouble if they set fire to the London 2012 stadium. The riots is not going to improve a very fragile situation especially that we have less than a year left before the Olympic games.

Ahe, that'd be a fairly befitting end to an Olympics that few in the country ever gave a shit about. "Sorry guys, our stadium got burned down because we were neglecting the poors. Sorry old beans!"

Ah, here we got. Three thousand dead last year. God knows how many this year.

Yes, it's Juarez, but refer to my previous statement.

Also, the border between Juarez and El Paso doesn't exist. You can literally drive into Mexico and never know it. I've done it.

Does that mean that El Paso is an urban warzone too?

Not really, no. The crime rate may have gone higher, but Juarez (indeed, the entity of the state of Chihuahua) is as you said, a literal warzone with a higher homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants than anywhere else in the world.

[Atrebates]

That said, London is becoming the new LA. Next you'll have a bunch of random Hispanic-Americans stealing TVs.

Ahem we were rioting with extreme violence over them Huguenots takin arrr jerrrbs before LA was even a proper place.

THEY TUK YERRR JERRRBBB!!!!

[New Norman England]

I guess that's what happens in Haringey when jobseekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit, and child support don't cover the cost of PS3s, flatscreen televisions, and who knows what else. People deem it acceptable to steal from their neighbours.

Acrually, wait a minute, wouldn't that 99% of the time be burglary, not robbery? I:

Both serve the exact same purpose.

Long enough to know what living on it is like. It's hard, but it absolutely does its job without requiring you to steal from your neighbours.

I was hoping for a more concrete/numerical answer.

I'd rather keep those details to myself.

[Alyakia]

Acrually, wait a minute, wouldn't that 99% of the time be burglary, not robbery? I:

Both serve the exact same purpose.

I was hoping for a more concrete/numerical answer.

I'd rather keep those details to myself.

I will champion myself as an example of survivng the dole to support my points without giving any detail whatsoever.

[New Norman England]

I will champion myself as an example of survivng the dole to support my points without giving any detail whatsoever.

What purpose would it serve? Those are private details about a low point in my life that I'd simply rather keep to myself. Deal with it.

I mean, what else do you want? My letters from the DWP and N.I. number so you can confirm? I don't even get why you're pushing me for those specific details, are you implying that I am a liar? Is it that, because I don't hold a leftist view of the benefits system, I must never have been through it myself and there's no other explanation?

[Alyakia]

I will champion myself as an example of survivng the dole to support my points without giving any detail whatsoever.

What purpose would it serve? Those are private details about a low point in my life that I'd simply rather keep to myself. Deal with it.

I mean, what else do you want? My letters from the DWP and N.I. number so you can confirm? I don't even get why you're pushing me for those specific details, are you implying that I am a liar? Is it that, because I don't hold a leftist view of the benefits system, I must never have been through it myself and there's no other explanation?

Where are your papers?!

At the very least, how long you were on it. It's not exactly filling with confidence. If it's such a low point you want to keep to yourself then it's probably a bad idea to bring it up where it's almost certailly going to get probed. I would go as far as to say it's completely meaingless to talk about it without at least knowing how long the person in question was on it.

[New Norman England]

At the very least, how long you were on it. It's not exactly filling with confidence. If it's such a low point you want to keep to yourself then it's probably a bad idea to bring it up where it's almost certailly going to get probed. I would go as far as to say it's completely meaingless to talk about it without at least knowing how long the person in question was on it.

The thing is that no matter how long I say I was on it, you will no doubt turn around and claim that "it's not long enough to know what it's like living on it". I could say I was on it five years and you'd still say "There are people who have been on it their entire lives, how do you think they feel? Of course they will go and firebomb people's homes and businesses, and increase the crime rate because they just can't help robbing people. They need to survive."

I've had this conversation with numerous leftists before, and you're simply not allowed to say good things about the benefits system. It has to be a curse, more money has to be thrown at it, and it must be used as a scapegoat.

So it's not relevant anyway. All I will say is that I once had to claim state benefits for long enough to know, beyond any doubt, that it is a good service and fulfils it purpose for those willing to make sacrifices in and reign in their spending to the point of meeting their daily needs. Sure, you might not be watching Sky HD any time soon, but them's the breaks.

[Trixiestan]

Here's the Live Blog again from the Guardian.

London riots spread south of Thames

Violence, vandalism and looting spread beyond Tottenham and Enfield to reach Brixton, leaving 35 police injured

[Baltenstein]

Not really, no. The crime rate may have gone higher, but Juarez (indeed, the entity of the state of Chihuahua) is as you said, a literal warzone with a higher homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants than anywhere else in the world.

I find it odd that the heavy violence doesn't spill into the American part, seeing how Juarez and El Paso are the same urban area. Is the Rio Grande that secure a border?

[Trixiestan]

Not really, no. The crime rate may have gone higher, but Juarez (indeed, the entity of the state of Chihuahua) is as you said, a literal warzone with a higher homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants than anywhere else in the world.

I find it odd that the heavy violence doesn't spill into the American part, seeing how Juarez and El Paso are the same urban area. Is the Rio Grande that secure a border?

From a documentry I watched on it (well, Ross Kemp), the border actually isn't that secure. There's some big bridge across the rio grande between the the two cities. Mexican youths working for the cartels are always on patrol, washing cars and using it as an excuse to observe any guards, while the guards themselves are often corrupt and take bribes from the Cartels.

I suppose the reason why the chaos hasn't spilled across the border that much is due to the Cartels not wanting to drag the US any further into the conflict. As it currently stands, Mexico is in complete chaos but the United States seems more concerned with it's own borders rather than those of fellow American countries (for once). The cartels don't want to expand their turf into the states not only because they fear retaliation, but because their buyers are in the states.

[Germania Alliance]

Does that mean that El Paso is an urban warzone too?

Not really, no. The crime rate may have gone higher, but Juarez (indeed, the entity of the state of Chihuahua) is as you said, a literal warzone with a higher homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants than anywhere else in the world.

Actually, it is. When I was there last, in 2009, there were shootings every night. We had the SWAT team show up and raid the same house TWICE in one week, just two houses down the road. In cities like Los Angeles, you only get shootings once every couple of days. Like I said, crimes committed by illegal immigrants don't count towards the crime figures that we see on the news.

Let's see.. Our house was shot at in a drive by twice, our house was broken into three times while we were home, that's not including the two times we weren't, our Jeep was stolen and it was outside for only fifteen minutes, I myself was shot at at a party, and none of this is including the dozens of arrests we would see on a monthly basis. You're thinking "that's not THAT bad," well, that was in the span of two years in military housing. Try and imagine what it's like outside Fort Bliss (which is in the center of El Paso).

Honestly, you Brits don't have very much to worry about all things considered.

[Germania Alliance]

And yeah, there are a couple bridges spanning the Rio Grande, but in some places the border (or the river for that matter) doesn't exist. You could drive down the street in one neighborhood and come out in Mexico.

The border is NOT as secure as everyone thinks it is.

[Rambhutan]

The Rio Grande is in North London - clearly I have forgotten so much of the geography I learned at school...

[Angleter]

The Rio Grande is in North London - clearly I have forgotten so much of the geography I learned at school...

You should've watched the intro to EastEnders more often. It's clearly there.

[Keronians]

More looting in London for a third day...

Moral of the story: do not cut police and youth clubs during hard economic times.

[Rambhutan]

The Rio Grande is in North London - clearly I have forgotten so much of the geography I learned at school...

You should've watched the intro to EastEnders more often. It's clearly there.

I suspect we will find Ross Kemp is to blame

[Angleter]

You should've watched the intro to EastEnders more often. It's clearly there.

I suspect we will find Ross Kemp is to blame

He was there at the protest, but he could see things were about to kick off, so he got out of there.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Hackney and Peckham and Lewisham has descended into chaos as I speak. I feel that the city has been held hostage by these thugs, who have destroyed our image for London 2012.