Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[Gravonia]

Yes those people, it's a shame more people will now have to lose their homes and businesses to them.

Where are the homes and small businesses are supposedly being targeted?

They're in Tottenham.

keep up

[Jakaragua]

Where are the homes and small businesses are supposedly being targeted?

Was everyone burning cars, throwing rocks and looting shops doing so because of Mark Duggan? I really really doubt it.

[New Norman England]

Was everyone burning cars, throwing rocks and looting shops doing so because of Mark Duggan? I really really doubt it.

No? What is it then? They've not had enough of my tax money yet?

[Jakaragua]

Was everyone burning cars, throwing rocks and looting shops doing so because of Mark Duggan? I really really doubt it.

No? What is it then? They've not had enough of my tax money yet?

Urgh. If you bothered to examine the causes of such riots rather than condemning them outright...

Poverty, public sector cuts, youth unemployment and so on.

[New Norman England]

No? What is it then? They've not had enough of my tax money yet?

Urgh. If you bothered to examine the causes of such riots rather than condemning them outright...

Poverty, public sector cuts, youth unemployment and so on.

So, just as I thought. The reason these people are rioting is because we've not thrown enough my money at the problem yet.

Forgive me if I don't believe that's the solution to, or cause of, every single problem.

[Darqastan]

Another resident, David Akinsanya, 46, said several shop windows had been smashed.

"It's really bad," he said. "There are two police cars on fire. I'm feeling unsafe. It looks like it's going to get very tasty. I saw a guy getting attacked.

The fuck?

I believe it's nasty...

[Alyakia]

Urgh. If you bothered to examine the causes of such riots rather than condemning them outright...

Poverty, public sector cuts, youth unemployment and so on.

So, just as I thought. The reason these people are rioting is because we've not thrown enough my money at the problem yet.

Forgive me if I don't believe that's the solution to, or cause of, every single problem.

What's the solution to this problem then, eh?

[Keronians]

Urgh. If you bothered to examine the causes of such riots rather than condemning them outright...

Poverty, public sector cuts, youth unemployment and so on.

So, just as I thought. The reason these people are rioting is because we've not thrown enough my money at the problem yet.

Forgive me if I don't believe that's the solution to, or cause of, every single problem.

I forgive you.

Though I do wonder what the solution, in your opinion, is.

[Jakaragua]

Urgh. If you bothered to examine the causes of such riots rather than condemning them outright...

Poverty, public sector cuts, youth unemployment and so on.

So, just as I thought. The reason these people are rioting is because we've not thrown enough my money at the problem yet.

Forgive me if I don't believe that's the solution to, or cause of, every single problem.

Of course, when London riots, it's never the governments fault? It's the blacks/muslims/anarchists/unemployed peoples fault. They chose to be in the conditions they're in!

[Zwitterjiund]

I don't know the complete story but it makes no sense to destroy other peoples property. If your mad at the police take it to them not innocent people!

[New Norman England]

So, just as I thought. The reason these people are rioting is because we've not thrown enough my money at the problem yet.

Forgive me if I don't believe that's the solution to, or cause of, every single problem.

I forgive you.

Though I do wonder what the solution, in your opinion, is.

What's the solution to this problem then, eh?

I'm not a politician so I'm not the one being paid a lot of money to solve social issues, I just see that current policy (take money from me and throw it at the problem) is not solving these sorts of issues.

I think a good start, though, would be if parents got a grip on their kids and instilled some values and respect in them instead of letting them grow up involved in street crime and running areas down. It would be a start if kids were brought up to help their community instead of waiting for the government to fix it, and contributing instead of exacerbating any problems that may exist due to poverty.

Of course, when London riots, it's never the governments fault? It's the blacks/muslims/anarchists/unemployed peoples fault. They chose to be in the conditions they're in!

I don't recall saying anything of the sort, but it is just like ideologues like you to put those hateful words in my mouth.

I just wonder why people like you think throwing my money at the problem is the answer, evidence shows it's not working.

[Alyakia]

I forgive you.

Though I do wonder what the solution, in your opinion, is.

What's the solution to this problem then, eh?

I'm not a politician so I'm not the one being paid a lot of money to solve social issues, I just see that current policy (take money from me and throw it at the problem) is not solving these sorts of issues.

I think a good start, though, would be if parents got a grip on their kids and instilled some values and respect in them instead of letting them grow up involved in street crime and running areas down. It would be a start if kids were brought up to help their community instead of waiting for the government to fix it, and contributing instead of exacerbating any problems that may exist due to poverty.

Of course, when London riots, it's never the governments fault? It's the blacks/muslims/anarchists/unemployed peoples fault. They chose to be in the conditions they're in!

I don't recall saying anything of the sort, but it is just like ideologues like you to put those hateful words in my mouth.

I just wonder why people like you think throwing my money at the problem is the answer, evidence shows it's not working.

And you're going to sit about and wait for them to magically break out of poverty and start instilling those values?

[New Norman England]

And you're going to sit about and wait for them to magically break out of poverty and start instilling those values?

Because it's impossible for them to instil values in the children they decided to bear, without throwing my money at them. Alright.

[Alyakia]

And you're going to sit about and wait for them to magically break out of poverty and start instilling those values?

Because it's impossible for them to instil values in the children they decided to bear, without throwing my money at them. Alright.

And why will they suddenly start instill those values now, have never instilled them before and never having their parents intstill them in them?

Oh will you stop bawwwwing about throwing money at them. The only person that's mentioned such a thing is you.

[New Norman England]

Because it's impossible for them to instil values in the children they decided to bear, without throwing my money at them. Alright.

And why will they suddenly start instill those values now, have never instilled them before and never having their parents intstill them in them?

If you're implying that they don't want things to improve for them, I'll refer back to my original position: My sympathies go out to the people who are going to lose their homes and businesses to these rioters.

Oh will you stop bawwwwing about throwing money at them. The only person that's mentioned such a thing is you.

I think you need to re-read this page, and part of the last page. I'm certainly not the only one to mention it.

[Socialist EU]

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation. Anyone want caterpillar cake?

I feel like an idiot for defending the police.

The police lie all the time, one could say they are compulsive liars! And they have the IPCC to whitewash any wrong doing literally all the time. Not only that, technically, the police kidnap people when you consider the taking of people to the police station and then releasing them without charge.

[Alyakia]

And why will they suddenly start instill those values now, have never instilled them before and never having their parents intstill them in them?

If you're implying that they don't want things to improve for them, I'll refer back to my original position: My sympathies go out to the people who are going to lose their homes and businesses to these rioters.

Oh will you stop bawwwwing about throwing money at them. The only person that's mentioned such a thing is you.

I think you need to re-read this page, and part of the last page. I'm certainly not the only one to mention it.

They do want things to improve things for themselves, that doesn't mean they know how or that they will start instilling your values into their children. Do you actually have any plan to solve the problem or do you intend to just sit and do nothing handing out sympathies and hoping that eventually they'll somehow break out of the poverty cycle by themselves?

I'm implying that for social change to happen, you have to, uh, actually do something to change it.

[Alyakia]

I feel like an idiot for defending the police.

The police lie all the time, one could say they are compulsive liars! And they have the IPCC to whitewash any wrong doing literally all the time. Not only that, technically, the police kidnap people when you consider the taking of people to the police station and then releasing them without charge.

Didn't the IPCC just have a huge wave of resignations because of how useless they are?

[Trixiestan]

And you're going to sit about and wait for them to magically break out of poverty and start instilling those values?

Because it's impossible for them to instil values in the children they decided to bear, without throwing my money at them. Alright.

Are you by any chance white, middle-class and read the Daily Mail?

You can't just blame this all on shitty parenting. Most parents really fight to give their kids a better life, but let's look at the facts: There's gang crime in the area, no jobs, no places for youths to go and so on. When you have no jobs and you live in a poor area, standard of living goes down and that is why the riots are happening. People are frustrated because they can't get better lives for themselves. The best way of improving their standards of living is by trying to provide jobs for them (which isn't working and the Coalition is literally stripping jobs from the area) or by educating them (the government has also recently scrapped EMA, which isn't exactly paving the way for teens and young adults to go into higher education, especially those that can't afford it).

Seriously though, stop thinking that the riots are being caused by the products of child neglect and abuse. Because that is really, really wrong. :/

[Parti Ouvrier]

Because it's impossible for them to instil values in the children they decided to bear, without throwing my money at them. Alright.

Are you by any chance white, middle-class and read the Daily Mail?

You can't just blame this all on shitty parenting. Most parents really fight to give their kids a better life, but let's look at the facts: There's gang crime in the area, no jobs, no places for youths to go and so on. When you have no jobs and you live in a poor area, standard of living goes down and that is why the riots are happening. People are frustrated because they can't get better lives for themselves. The best way of improving their standards of living is by trying to provide jobs for them (which isn't working and the Coalition is literally stripping jobs from the area) or by educating them (the government has also recently scrapped EMA, which isn't exactly paving the way for teens and young adults to go into higher education, especially those that can't afford it).

Seriously though, stop thinking that the riots are being caused by the products of child neglect and abuse. Because that is really, really wrong. :/

Big packs of Loo rolls and disposable nappies were looted from shops, necessities in other words!

[Trixiestan]

Tottenham riots: This could happen in a dozen boroughs by Dave Hill

Linking this because welp. If you can't be pooped to read, I'll quote the juicy bit.

Tottenham forms the core of the borough of Haringey, where a fast-rising total of well over 10,000 people are claiming jobseeker's allowance. In Tottenham itself, recent government figures showed there were 54 people chasing each registered employment vacancy. It would be wrong and unfair to damn the place as a slough of blight and turpitude, but the long, main Tottenham High Road provides few obvious outward signs of prosperity.

Worklessness and its associated subcultures are becoming more deeply ingrained, with Tottenham and neighbouring Edmonton recently failing in a bid to be made a economic enterprise zone and attempts to regenerate the White Hart Lane area threatened by the desire of wealthy Tottenham Hotspur Football Club to move elsewhere.

Despite a small fall in reported crime in the year to June 2011 compared with the previous 12 months, Haringey saw an increase in burglaries and an alarming rise in robberies against the person – up from 884 offences to 1,204.

Edmonton, which lies just across the borough border in Enfield, has become grimly associated with fatal stabbings of teenagers in recent years. Spending cuts have led to Haringey closing eight of 13 youth clubs with reductions in community police officer numbers soon to come: small sticking plasters that help stem the flow of blood in a city where violence against young people has long been rising ominously.

In such a climate, an event such as the shooting dead by police of 29 year-old father of four Mark Duggan on Thursday night is more likely to provide in some minds, especially young ones, a pretext, a rationale or an opportunity to jettison any respect for the law or regard for fellow citizens and let rip.

[Shaoyuan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDIaCSTDJys

nique la police etc

[Trixiestan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDIaCSTDJys

nique la police etc

I was thinking more along the lines of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vHvzybkqfo

Both work though. :3

[EvilDarkMagicians]

I just feel sympathy for any businesses(be them local or international) and residents that are affected by these scum.

[Trixiestan]

I just feel sympathy for any businesses(be them local or international) and residents that are affected by these scum.

By scum I trust you mean people who are angry at a government and society which has continued to not only ignore their plight, but continues to shit on them and no lift a finger to make things better for them, right?