Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[Trixiestan]

From a different forum I go to:

Found this on Twitter. Apparently it shows the police beating a 16 year old girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9qZVsMQP8

It's pretty hard to tell though - you can see the police beating someone at the very beginning, and someone shouting "it's a fucking girl you cunts".

I don't think it is the beating of the girl that apparently sparked the riot though. According to the BBC, trouble started at about 20:20. This video seems a bit too dark to be at that time.

So what do people think? You can definetly see the police kicking the shit out of someone at the begining though.

[United Dependencies]

Uh, I don't know about you, but I can't see anything other than a mass of people.

[Trixiestan]

Uh, I don't know about you, but I can't see anything other than a mass of people.

I can definetly see someone getting the shit kicked out of them and beaten with some sort of baton-shaped thingy.

[Angleter]

From a different forum I go to:

Found this on Twitter. Apparently it shows the police beating a 16 year old girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9qZVsMQP8

It's pretty hard to tell though - you can see the police beating someone at the very beginning, and someone shouting "it's a fucking girl you cunts".

I don't think it is the beating of the girl that apparently sparked the riot though. According to the BBC, trouble started at about 20:20. This video seems a bit too dark to be at that time.

So what do people think? You can definetly see the police kicking the shit out of someone at the begining though.

No idea. I can't see the mass of protestors and it seems to be out in the open, so were I to hazard a guess I'd say this was after everything dispersed and shit had started to go down. However, there are cars in the distance, so it's difficult to tell.

[Alyakia]

From a different forum I go to:

Found this on Twitter. Apparently it shows the police beating a 16 year old girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9qZVsMQP8

It's pretty hard to tell though - you can see the police beating someone at the very beginning, and someone shouting "it's a fucking girl you cunts".

I don't think it is the beating of the girl that apparently sparked the riot though. According to the BBC, trouble started at about 20:20. This video seems a bit too dark to be at that time.

So what do people think? You can definetly see the police kicking the shit out of someone at the begining though.

Eh. You can definitely see the police taking a swing at someone.

[New Norman England]

Isn't multiculturalism enriching our country in all sorts of beautiful ways?

[Alyakia]

Isn't multiculturalism enriching our country in all sorts of beautiful ways?

Well, yes. The mixture of Scottish, English, Welsh and other cultures into our now single nation has brought us endless benefits.

[Kazomal]

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Can you read? No one has tried to justify the rioting. They've just pointed out, quite correctly, that there is a cause and effect relationship here, so you can bitch about how stupid it is, or you can address the conditions that lead to crime a rioting.

Poverty leads to crime. This is an absolute fact, across time, space, and culture. (Not, I did not say "poverty justifies crime," I said it causes it. Again, since everyone seems so thick, no one is justifying the rioting).

Bitching about it won't change that.

[Fartsniffage]

Isn't multiculturalism enriching our country in all sorts of beautiful ways?

Coming from the person who names their nation after a bunch of violent immigrants....

[Grave_n_idle]

From a different forum I go to:

Found this on Twitter. Apparently it shows the police beating a 16 year old girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX9qZVsMQP8

It's pretty hard to tell though - you can see the police beating someone at the very beginning, and someone shouting "it's a fucking girl you cunts".

I don't think it is the beating of the girl that apparently sparked the riot though. According to the BBC, trouble started at about 20:20. This video seems a bit too dark to be at that time.

So what do people think? You can definetly see the police kicking the shit out of someone at the begining though.

No you can't. I wish you could.

[Keronians]

Isn't multiculturalism enriching our country in all sorts of beautiful ways?

Yeah... This totally has to do with multiculturalism and not with... poverty and angsty youths...

[Trixiestan]

From a different forum I go to:



So what do people think? You can definetly see the police kicking the shit out of someone at the begining though.

No you can't. I wish you could.

Okay, I can sortofmaybe make it out possiblyperhaps. There's definetly something going on in the video though.

[Grave_n_idle]

No you can't. I wish you could.

Okay, I can sortofmaybe make it out possiblyperhaps. There's definetly something going on in the video though.

There's a lot of yelling. There might be someone laying on the floor at about 10 seconds. Someone is very unhappy about something, because someone is a girl (apparently), and that apparently really matters.

[Jakaragua]

The idea the gunman shot first is a farce.

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers. It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/ ... e#block-44

[Keronians]

Okay, I can sortofmaybe make it out possiblyperhaps. There's definetly something going on in the video though.

There's a lot of yelling. There might be someone laying on the floor at about 10 seconds. Someone is very unhappy about something, because someone is a girl (apparently), and that apparently really matters.

Well, it does.

A group of adults beating up a 16 year old isn't usually popular with people.

[Trixiestan]

The idea the gunman shot first is a farce.

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers. It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/ ... e#block-44

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation. Anyone want caterpillar cake?

[Alyakia]

The idea the gunman shot first is a farce.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/ ... e#block-44

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation. Anyone want caterpillar cake?

A Trixie groupie? Smug? Well, I never~!

[Keronians]

The idea the gunman shot first is a farce.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/ ... e#block-44

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation. Anyone want caterpillar cake?

I feel like an idiot for defending the police.

[Jakaragua]

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation. Anyone want caterpillar cake?

I feel like an idiot for defending the police.

Sense! This one has sense!

[Trixiestan]

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation. Anyone want caterpillar cake?

I feel like an idiot for defending the police.

It's hardly your fault that you believed the police. The police are supposed to be keeping the peace and being the good guys. It's just that things went a bit downhill along the line. ):

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

Cops lied? My world, it is falling collapsing.

[Grave_n_idle]

There's a lot of yelling. There might be someone laying on the floor at about 10 seconds. Someone is very unhappy about something, because someone is a girl (apparently), and that apparently really matters.

Well, it does.

A group of adults beating up a 16 year old isn't usually popular with people.

Context matters more.

The fact that someone has a vagina makes no difference to the question of whether or not their actions are illegal or abusive.

[Grave_n_idle]

The idea the gunman shot first is a farce.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/ ... e#block-44

I for one feel rather smug about this new revelation.

You shouldn't. Nothing has been confirmed, there's just one piece of speculation, and even if the bullet did turn out to be fired by another officer... it wouldn't rule out an exchange of fire.

[Caterphil]

The word 'Neds' would suggest that he's Glaswegian, or from somewhere nearby.[/quote]

Top marks man. Easterhouse in Glasgow, but lived in Belfast until I was 10. Lived in East Ham in London for a while too. Itchy feet I suppose.

[Pope Joan]

I believe he could well have been unarmed.

There were too many cops around, and they have a habit of shooting past the culprit at each other, blaming the culprit, and then starting a deadly firestorm of shooting.

A local NY officer was killed by "friendly fire" that way a couple years ago.

One nervous or testosterone poisoned cop decided it was time to fire a "warning shot" and did so.

The shot narrowly missed a cop on the other side of the circle, who radioed for support because he was "under fire", and then he retaliated, against missing the culprit but winging the first shooter who then felt (justly but also irrationally) that he was threatened and so the firestorm began.

Apparently the officer killed by this friendly fire had exercised restraint and never let off a shot.