Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[Alyakia]

Yeah, I was holding off on calling you a pretentious git, but then you deliberately went out of your way to look like one. Words like et al and ergo are pretty much part of the English lexicon. Also the only people that actually write out Q.E.D. in full are pretentious gits who don't know how to use it, case in point.

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The fact that I tried to shoehorn in as many foreign terms- and hence italicisations- as I possibly could wasn't actually to be taken seriously. I even linked to the dictionary from which I got half of the phrases I used to make it more patently obvious that I didn't actually have such a large vocabulary of foreign phrases at hand. Then again, I'm far from surprised that your ability to note when someone is actually being a pretentious git as opposed to doing such for humorous purposes is inhibited when it's me.

Like I said, you went out of your way to be a pretentious git in that post. For humourous purpsoes perhaps, but still pretentious nonetheless. As you can probably tell, the humour part failed miserably leaving behind only the pretenious part.

:3

[Great Nepal]

So, let me get this straight...
- Police and a criminal get involved in a shootout.
- Criminal is killed, police is injured.
- Some idiots get enraged that police used reasonable force to defend themselves.
- Those idiots go to local police station, couldn't wait and decide to burn everything down...
- Those idiots then raid shops and steal stuff.

Reason why I think British police should invest more in machine guns and less in horses.

[Great Nepal]

It certainly isn't fun losing money because some dickheads decided your store looked nice and flammable.

Incidentally, many children who break things do so because their parents are ignoring them.

It certainlly isn't fun being poor, unemployed and without a voice.

So people are unemployed... solution is to burn and raid employment creators.

[Trixiestan]

So, let me get this straight...
- Police and a criminal get involved in a shootout.
- Criminal is killed, police is injured.
- Some idiots get enraged that police used reasonable force to defend themselves.
- Those idiots go to local police station, couldn't wait and decide to burn everything down...
- Those idiots then raid shops and steal stuff.

Reason why I think British police should invest more in machine guns and less in horses.

And this is why you should never be in a postion of power ever. :3

[Alyakia]

So, let me get this straight...
- Police and a criminal get involved in a shootout.
- Criminal is killed, police is injured.
- Some idiots get enraged that police used reasonable force to defend themselves.
- Those idiots go to local police station, couldn't wait and decide to burn everything down...
- Those idiots then raid shops and steal stuff.

Reason why I think British police should invest more in machine guns and less in horses.

You ignored all the background.

Yes, let's follow in the path of France or Italy. Get some Gendarmeries in here. Or ask America for tips on arming every officer. Think about how better off we'd be!

[Katganistan]

The Joker isn't supposed to be a role-model.

Doesn't mean he can't be. Just because he is intended to be a villain, doesn't make everyone hate him. One probably isn't supposed to leap off of tall buildings, but people still do it.

Yeah, but unless you're a son of Krypton, that situation usually sorts itself out fairly quickly.

[Katganistan]

I think I'l start a riot against the new F7 (I've been inactive for a year...)

[Great Nepal]

So, let me get this straight...
- Police and a criminal get involved in a shootout.
- Criminal is killed, police is injured.
- Some idiots get enraged that police used reasonable force to defend themselves.
- Those idiots go to local police station, couldn't wait and decide to burn everything down...
- Those idiots then raid shops and steal stuff.

Reason why I think British police should invest more in machine guns and less in horses.

You ignored all the background.

What background exactly?

Yes, let's follow in the path of France or Italy. Get some Gendarmeries in here. Or ask America for tips on arming every officer. Think about how better off we'd be!

Why not.

[Alyakia]

You ignored all the background.

What background exactly?

Yes, let's follow in the path of France or Italy. Get some Gendarmeries in here. Or ask America for tips on arming every officer. Think about how better off we'd be!

Why not.

Read through the rest of the thread.

Because that's a horrible horrible horrible idea and completely opposed to the ~*traditions of British policing*~ and would only make things even worse, especially in the current climate in which the police are being investigated for corruption. Again.

[Ceannairceach]

Pure poppycock, guvnah! That rebellion nonsense is supposed to happen across the pond in the colonies, not in good 'ol crumpet-land! I politely and civilly demand we send a infantry regiment to deal with those upstarts right-ho!

Anywho, what is this about, exactly? Police brutality?

[Great Nepal]

What background exactly?


Why not.

Read through the rest of the thread.

I dont particular fancy going through 26 page long thread.
Care to sum it up?

Because that's a horrible horrible horrible idea and completely opposed to the ~*traditions of British policing*~

Traditions which are outdated needs to be abolished. These "traditions" are from age when guns didn't exist and therefore are outdated.

and would only make things even worse, especially in the current climate in which the police are being investigated for corruption. Again.

Yea, some police are caught for corruption concerning news of world - obviously all police are corrupt.

[Kazomal]

Incidentally, many children who break things do so because their parents are ignoring them.

It certainlly isn't fun being poor, unemployed and without a voice.

So people are unemployed... solution is to burn and raid employment creators.

Not the solution, just the result. You can sit around talking about how stupid it is, or you can address unemployment and the other conditions that lead to the existence a criminal underclass, and have less problems like this.

[Alyakia]

Read through the rest of the thread.

I dont particular fancy going through 26 page long thread.
Care to sum it up?

Because that's a horrible horrible horrible idea and completely opposed to the ~*traditions of British policing*~

Traditions which are outdated needs to be abolished. These "traditions" are from age when guns didn't exist and therefore are outdated.

and would only make things even worse, especially in the current climate in which the police are being investigated for corruption. Again.

Yea, some police are caught for corruption concerning news of world - obviously all police are corrupt.

Put some damn effort in.

No, they aren't. Guns exist, right now. And the tradition is still being upheld. And it still works.

Ignoring all other cases of police corruption! Coincidenetally, there is/was a police force in the UK that was allowed to be regularly armed. They also happened to be the most corrupt. And then they were destroyed and replaced.

[Trixiestan]

I dont particular fancy going through 26 page long thread.
Care to sum it up?

Police shoot (possibly) armed man in an area where relations between the police and the rest of society were already on a thin line, with large amounts of unemployed young men with no hopes of getting a job, moving from the area and the one thing keeping them off of the streets (community centres) were being closed by the local council. Shit falls apart.

Traditions which are outdated needs to be abolished. These "traditions" are from age when guns didn't exist and therefore are outdated.

1749 - London's Bow Street Runners established - considered the foundation to all modern police forces.

Yeah, we had guns at that point. The police are supposed to stop people from killing each other, not participating in it and besides, I quite frankly don't want our country to go the way of American law enforcement.

Yea, some police are caught for corruption concerning news of world - obviously all police are corrupt.

Death of Jean Charles de Menezes
Death of Ian Tomlinson

Crisis at police watchdog as lawyers resign

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) faces a crisis of confidence after a network of more than a hundred lawyers who specialise in handling police complaints resigned from its advisory body.

In a letter to Nick Hardwick, the IPCC's chairman, the lawyers' leaders expressed "increasing dismay and disillusionment" at what they described as "the consistently poor quality of decision-making at all levels of the IPCC". They said the IPCC's response to their earlier attempts to deal with problems had been "pitifully poor".

Police brutality - The camera is mightier than the sword

no policeman has ever been convicted of murder or manslaughter for a death following police contact, though there have been more than 400 such deaths in the past ten years alone. The IPCC is at best overworked and at worst does not deserve the “I” in its name. And 20 years on, no one has yet been held responsible for the Hillsborough disaster.

Yes, not only is the Police Force corrupt as hell, it's also terribly incompentent~

[Kazomal]

Traditions which are outdated needs to be abolished. These "traditions" are from age when guns didn't exist and therefore are outdated.

Not really. British police procedures and policy are re-evaluated and edited quite often, and certainly since the existence of guns. Most of Europe seems to get along fine without universal firearms among their officers, with less officer deaths than places like the US, where all cops do carry guns. These policies are geared towards the societies in which they exist.

[United Dependencies]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14435251
The BBC reports massive looting and stealing in the area. So really now, the people could have just waited for the police to conclude their investigation of the shooting. Now, however, they've done nothing to help their case.

[Trixiestan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14435251
The BBC reports massive looting and stealing in the area. So really now, the people could have just waited for the police to conclude their investigation of the shooting. Now, however, they've done nothing to help their case.

Oh gosh, the people with no money and no jobs are looting. How unexpecteddddddddddddddd

[Cilistia Novaren]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14435251
The BBC reports massive looting and stealing in the area. So really now, the people could have just waited for the police to conclude their investigation of the shooting. Now, however, they've done nothing to help their case.

Oh gosh, the people with no money and no jobs are looting. How unexpecteddddddddddddddd

THat in no way justifies it

[United Dependencies]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14435251
The BBC reports massive looting and stealing in the area. So really now, the people could have just waited for the police to conclude their investigation of the shooting. Now, however, they've done nothing to help their case.

Oh gosh, the people with no money and no jobs are looting. How unexpecteddddddddddddddd

I can't speak for you, but I'm not a big fan of a breakdown of order. Furthermore, what of the store owners and the store employees? They've done nothing and now they've lost money from all the stolen goods.

[Trixiestan]

Oh gosh, the people with no money and no jobs are looting. How unexpecteddddddddddddddd

THat in no way justifies it

I didn't say it did justify it. I just pointed out that it's hardly shocking to see them looting during a riot and when they're pretty much bottom of the barrel, especially when the police fucked off and let them control the streets for a few hours.

Oh gosh, the people with no money and no jobs are looting. How unexpecteddddddddddddddd

I can't speak for you, but I'm not a big fan of a breakdown of order. Furthermore, what of the store owners and the store employees? They've done nothing and now they've lost money from all the stolen goods.

Tragic really. Just because I sympathise with the rioters doesn't mean I agree with the riot itself. It's been fairly self-destructive and has resulted in the destruction of stores and people getting hurt. But at the end of the day the people of Tottenham will still be at the bottom of the barrel, living the same shitty-quality of life they always do. ):

[Caterphil]

Lets see,

High unemployment.

My area has high unemployment.

Lack of youth clubs.

My area suffers from that too!

No trust between the police and the youth of the area.

My area has that too!

Cool, lets have a riot and loot and destroy everything we can!

Be honest people, up here the rioters that I seen on TV are called a different name. Neds. I take it that if some waste of skin tries to shoot it out out with the police and loses then that provides the excuse for such a display? They don't trust the police? Given their behaviour I am not surprised. I suspect that all criminals are wary of the police. Please stop trying to justify the obvious crimes of the rioters with social or political arguments. For a start most of the rioters would not be able spell political! Lets face what we have here honestly. A large group of thugs who found that if enough of them get together the police won't do a thing until it is too late. These thugs / Neds / chavs or if you wish, "disadvantaged youths" can rest easy today though. It would appear that the professional apologists are out in force.

Here is what would be a good conversation though.

Police - "Right, your nicked"
Rioter - "This is because I'm black"
Police - "No, it's because you just torched a bus you daft little $&*T, now off to the scrubs".

[Alyakia]

Lets see,

High unemployment.

My area has high unemployment.

Lack of youth clubs.

My area suffers from that too!

No trust between the police and the youth of the area.

My area has that too!

Cool, lets have a riot and loot and destroy everything we can!

Be honest people, up here the rioters that I seen on TV are called a different name. Neds. I take it that if some waste of skin tries to shoot it out out with the police and loses then that provides the excuse for such a display? They don't trust the police? Given their behaviour I am not surprised. I suspect that all criminals are wary of the police. Please stop trying to justify the obvious crimes of the rioters with social or political arguments. For a start most of the rioters would not be able spell political! Lets face what we have here honestly. A large group of thugs who found that if enough of them get together the police won't do a thing until it is too late. These thugs / Neds / chavs or if you wish, "disadvantaged youths" can rest easy today though. It would appear that the professional apologists are out in force.

Here is what would be a good conversation though.

Police - "Right, your nicked"
Rioter - "This is because I'm black"
Police - "No, it's because you just torched a bus you daft little $&*T, now off to the scrubs".

Where are you from?

[Angleter]

As far as I can tell, both the short-term and underlying factors behind these protests (which sparked the riots) are to do with the police and their poor relations with large segments of the Tottenham population. Youth clubs don't come into this.

You don't think that unemployed people with no places to go would be more likely to be willing to protest or riot and have more time to do so? If the council/governments police forces are being abusive, and the council/government are taking away your youth clubs/community centres, people will be angry at the council/government.

Unemployed? No, not on a Saturday night; and I'm quite sure that most of those that attended the protest would still have attended even were their former youth centre still open. Sure, the long-standing social problems and deprived nature of the area will have contributed to much of the community feeling disaffected from society and thus being less likely to get on with the police, but the lines were drawn there long ago- the overwhelming root cause of this is that a large proportion of Tottenham's inhabitants don't trust nor like the police. If the loss of public sector jobs or of youth centres has anything to do with it, they're only very minor reasons as opposed to relations with and actions of the Met.

[Alyakia]

You don't think that unemployed people with no places to go would be more likely to be willing to protest or riot and have more time to do so? If the council/governments police forces are being abusive, and the council/government are taking away your youth clubs/community centres, people will be angry at the council/government.

Unemployed? No, not on a Saturday night; and I'm quite sure that most of those that attended the protest would still have attended even were their former youth centre still open. Sure, the long-standing social problems and deprived nature of the area will have contributed to much of the community feeling disaffected from society and thus being less likely to get on with the police, but the lines were drawn there long ago- the overwhelming root cause of this is that a large proportion of Tottenham's inhabitants don't trust nor like the police. If the loss of public sector jobs or of youth centres has anything to do with it, they're only very minor reasons as opposed to relations with and actions of the Met.

Problems tend to add up, especially when they're all related to the same council/government.

[Angleter]

Unemployed? No, not on a Saturday night; and I'm quite sure that most of those that attended the protest would still have attended even were their former youth centre still open. Sure, the long-standing social problems and deprived nature of the area will have contributed to much of the community feeling disaffected from society and thus being less likely to get on with the police, but the lines were drawn there long ago- the overwhelming root cause of this is that a large proportion of Tottenham's inhabitants don't trust nor like the police. If the loss of public sector jobs or of youth centres has anything to do with it, they're only very minor reasons as opposed to relations with and actions of the Met.

Problems tend to add up, especially when they're all related to the same council/government.

Yes they do, but I'm convinced that the problems that have added up here are predominantly concerning the police.

Lets see,

High unemployment.

My area has high unemployment.

Lack of youth clubs.

My area suffers from that too!

No trust between the police and the youth of the area.

My area has that too!

Cool, lets have a riot and loot and destroy everything we can!

Be honest people, up here the rioters that I seen on TV are called a different name. Neds. I take it that if some waste of skin tries to shoot it out out with the police and loses then that provides the excuse for such a display? They don't trust the police? Given their behaviour I am not surprised. I suspect that all criminals are wary of the police. Please stop trying to justify the obvious crimes of the rioters with social or political arguments. For a start most of the rioters would not be able spell political! Lets face what we have here honestly. A large group of thugs who found that if enough of them get together the police won't do a thing until it is too late. These thugs / Neds / chavs or if you wish, "disadvantaged youths" can rest easy today though. It would appear that the professional apologists are out in force.

Here is what would be a good conversation though.

Police - "Right, your nicked"
Rioter - "This is because I'm black"
Police - "No, it's because you just torched a bus you daft little $&*T, now off to the scrubs".

Where are you from?

The word 'Neds' would suggest that he's Glaswegian, or from somewhere nearby.