Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[Trixiestan]

They got her on camera saying whoever burns the most stuff down she will sleep with.

Really?

Even if she did say that, knocking the living shit out of her is hardly the proper response.

[Alyakia]

Hello look we're teenagers and young men with little in the way of education and no chance of getting a job due to living in an area with high unemployment while not being able to afford to get out. The government has taken away our EMA and they've closed out the few areas that kept us off of the streets. Also we live in an area with lots of gang-related activity and since we have nothing to do we're going to be drawn into it.

Except these riots weren't a case of gang violence, they evolved from an initial mass protest, attendance of which I'm sure wouldn't have been dented by the presence of more youth clubs in Tottenham.

As for the unemployment, they have a JobCentre on Tottenham High Road itself, and for going out and getting jobs, an Oyster Card is available for a £5 refundable fee, and holders of such can get day passes on the bus for £4 (without an Oyster card, it's £2.20 per journey). As for EMA, I'm struggling to find any case in which not continuing on at school in an area with- as you say- sod-all by way of employment opportunities (particularly for 16 year old school leavers) would be financially beneficial, since JSA is only payable to over-18s anyway.

Yes, there's a JobCentre on the High Road. And? You do realize that there people out there, checking the ads every day in the paper, going to the job centre, etc. that literally cannot find a job, right?

[Trixiestan]

Hello look we're teenagers and young men with little in the way of education and no chance of getting a job due to living in an area with high unemployment while not being able to afford to get out. The government has taken away our EMA and they've closed out the few areas that kept us off of the streets. Also we live in an area with lots of gang-related activity and since we have nothing to do we're going to be drawn into it.

Except these riots weren't a case of gang violence, they evolved from an initial mass protest, attendance of which I'm sure wouldn't have been dented by the presence of more youth clubs in Tottenham.

As for the unemployment, they have a JobCentre on Tottenham High Road itself, and for going out and getting jobs, an Oyster Card is available for a £5 refundable fee, and holders of such can get day passes on the bus for £4 (without an Oyster card, it's £2.20 per journey). As for EMA, I'm struggling to find any case in which not continuing on at school in an area with- as you say- sod-all by way of employment opportunities (particularly for 16 year old school leavers) would be financially beneficial, since JSA is only payable to over-18s anyway.

There have been numerous articles stating that the loss of the youth clubs would result in a higher increase and crime as well as cause a riot. Then, surprise surprise, it happened!

Also it doesn't matter that there's a bloody JobCentre when there aren't any jobs around. Unemployment doesn't work that way. :/

[Angleter]

Except these riots weren't a case of gang violence, they evolved from an initial mass protest, attendance of which I'm sure wouldn't have been dented by the presence of more youth clubs in Tottenham.

As for the unemployment, they have a JobCentre on Tottenham High Road itself, and for going out and getting jobs, an Oyster Card is available for a £5 refundable fee, and holders of such can get day passes on the bus for £4 (without an Oyster card, it's £2.20 per journey). As for EMA, I'm struggling to find any case in which not continuing on at school in an area with- as you say- sod-all by way of employment opportunities (particularly for 16 year old school leavers) would be financially beneficial, since JSA is only payable to over-18s anyway.

Yes, there's a JobCentre on the High Road. And? You do realize that there people out there, checking the ads every day in the paper, going to the job centre, etc. that literally cannot find a job, right?

I'm sure there are, but I'm disputing the notion that the means of getting out of unemployment, when a job does come along, are beyond them.

[Trixiestan]

Yes, there's a JobCentre on the High Road. And? You do realize that there people out there, checking the ads every day in the paper, going to the job centre, etc. that literally cannot find a job, right?

I'm sure there are, but I'm disputing the notion that the means of getting out of unemployment, when a job does come along, are beyond them.

Ermm.

http://www.davidlammy.co.uk/Respond_to_the_Comprehensive_Spending_Review

Responding to reports that 490,000 public sector jobs will go, David Lammy says:

“Tottenham already has the highest unemployment rate in London and the 8th highest in the UK.

“Of the jobs that we have, most are dependent on public funding.

“There was not a single word today on how the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives plan to tackle the jobs crisis that is currently occurring in Haringey.

“Cutting 500,000 public sector jobs is grossly irresponsible.

“These unpalatable and unnecessary cuts will be disastrous for our community. The Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives risk throwing us back to the 1980s, when the frustration and anger that flowed from squandered talent and relentless poverty led to social unrest.

“This Comprehensive Spending Review is balancing forcing the people of Tottenham to pay for the greed and excess of the bankers.”

[Avaloniea]

..Still can't riot like the Canadians did in Vancouver.

Best part about that one was it was because they lost a hockey game! LOL

[Alyakia]

Yes, there's a JobCentre on the High Road. And? You do realize that there people out there, checking the ads every day in the paper, going to the job centre, etc. that literally cannot find a job, right?

I'm sure there are, but I'm disputing the notion that the means of getting out of unemployment, when a job does come along, are beyond them.

Yes, when being the important word. More of an "if" in these times.

I'm not sure what notion you're on about. I'm pretty sure "while not being able to afford to get out" reffered to being unable to afford to move out of the area, if that's what you meant by the notion.

[Chinese Regions]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14434318

This is completely un-British

The 80s were awesome.

[Dakini]

Really?

Even if she did say that, knocking the living shit out of her is hardly the proper response.

I thought she got roughed up by the police because she threw a stone at them?

[Dakini]

..Still can't riot like the Canadians did in Vancouver.

Best part about that one was it was because they lost a hockey game! LOL

Oh yes, because the UK isn't known for sports-related violence. Not at all.

[Trixiestan]

Even if she did say that, knocking the living shit out of her is hardly the proper response.

I thought she got roughed up by the police because she threw a stone at them?

The girl who reportedly was involved in causing the violence between police and protesters may have thrown a stone at police.

Laurence Bailey "holed up in a church 10 metres away from the Tottenham riot". He told the Guardian that he saw the girl "throw some card and something else, maybe a stone, at the original riot police line".

Bailey said the girl was then "pounded by 15 riot shields". He said that the police "launched into her with startling force using both batons and shields. She went down on the floor but once she managed to get up she was hit again before being half-dragged away by her friend."

He added: "After she was removed there were a few minutes of peace and then lots of glass bottles started being thrown, we could hear them.

No matter what she did, she certainly didn't deserve that much of a pounding. ):

[Angleter]

Except these riots weren't a case of gang violence, they evolved from an initial mass protest, attendance of which I'm sure wouldn't have been dented by the presence of more youth clubs in Tottenham.

As for the unemployment, they have a JobCentre on Tottenham High Road itself, and for going out and getting jobs, an Oyster Card is available for a £5 refundable fee, and holders of such can get day passes on the bus for £4 (without an Oyster card, it's £2.20 per journey). As for EMA, I'm struggling to find any case in which not continuing on at school in an area with- as you say- sod-all by way of employment opportunities (particularly for 16 year old school leavers) would be financially beneficial, since JSA is only payable to over-18s anyway.

There have been numerous articles stating that the loss of the youth clubs would result in a higher increase and crime as well as cause a riot. Then, surprise surprise, it happened!

Also it doesn't matter that there's a bloody JobCentre when there aren't any jobs around. Unemployment doesn't work that way. :/

Except the riot wasn't about youth clubs, nor was it about gangs. It was about a protest against the police, sparked by a single and unforeseeable event, turning nasty! So how, precisely, would this have been different were the Tottenham youth clubs that have closed down still open?

[Dakini]

I thought she got roughed up by the police because she threw a stone at them?

The girl who reportedly was involved in causing the violence between police and protesters may have thrown a stone at police.

Laurence Bailey "holed up in a church 10 metres away from the Tottenham riot". He told the Guardian that he saw the girl "throw some card and something else, maybe a stone, at the original riot police line".

Bailey said the girl was then "pounded by 15 riot shields". He said that the police "launched into her with startling force using both batons and shields. She went down on the floor but once she managed to get up she was hit again before being half-dragged away by her friend."

He added: "After she was removed there were a few minutes of peace and then lots of glass bottles started being thrown, we could hear them.

No matter what she did, she certainly didn't deserve that much of a pounding. ):

Oh, I agree.

Although people really shouldn't throw rocks at police officers who haven't done anything until that point.

[Alyakia]

There have been numerous articles stating that the loss of the youth clubs would result in a higher increase and crime as well as cause a riot. Then, surprise surprise, it happened!

Also it doesn't matter that there's a bloody JobCentre when there aren't any jobs around. Unemployment doesn't work that way. :/

Except the riot wasn't about youth clubs, nor was it about gangs. It was about a protest against the police, sparked by a single and unforeseeable event, turning nasty! So how, precisely, would this have been different were the Tottenham youth clubs that have closed down still open?

Do you seriously think that riots happens over single incidents, completley unrelated to any other background factors?

[Grave_n_idle]

I thought she got roughed up by the police because she threw a stone at them?

The girl who reportedly was involved in causing the violence between police and protesters may have thrown a stone at police.

Laurence Bailey "holed up in a church 10 metres away from the Tottenham riot". He told the Guardian that he saw the girl "throw some card and something else, maybe a stone, at the original riot police line".

Bailey said the girl was then "pounded by 15 riot shields". He said that the police "launched into her with startling force using both batons and shields. She went down on the floor but once she managed to get up she was hit again before being half-dragged away by her friend."

He added: "After she was removed there were a few minutes of peace and then lots of glass bottles started being thrown, we could hear them.

No matter what she did, she certainly didn't deserve that much of a pounding. ):

If it even happened...

[Katganistan]

You should watch yourself there. "Are you stupid?" could easily be considered a mild flame.

Really?

Amazing...except I edited it already.

Thanks for admitting it though. You'll want to tone it down or you will get warned for trolling.

[The Matthew Islands]

..Still can't riot like the Canadians did in Vancouver.

Best part about that one was it was because they lost a hockey game! LOL

That Canadian riot was pathetic. The only reason it gained so much attention was because couldn't actually believe that Canadians were capable of such.

[Alyakia]

..Still can't riot like the Canadians did in Vancouver.

Best part about that one was it was because they lost a hockey game! LOL

Oh yes, because the UK isn't known for sports-related violence. Not at all.

[The Matthew Islands]

Do you seriously think that riots happens over single incidents, completley unrelated to any other background factors?

In this case probably. The protest started off calm enough when the 300 or so people were just standing outside a police station shouting. When it all started kicking off, people used the chaos to start looting shops and anything else of value.

[Dakini]

..Still can't riot like the Canadians did in Vancouver.

Best part about that one was it was because they lost a hockey game! LOL

That Canadian riot was pathetic. The only reason it gained so much attention was because couldn't actually believe that Canadians were capable of such.

Then they didn't pay attention to the G20 summit in Toronto last summer either, did they?

Granted, there was much less rioting (and just one or two police cars set on fire) and much more police brutality/unnecessary mass arrests/holding people without allowing them access to legal council/etc that nobody seems interested in following up on.

[Serrland]

Do you seriously think that riots happens over single incidents, completley unrelated to any other background factors?

In this case probably. The protest started off calm enough when the 300 or so people were just standing outside a police station shouting. When it all started kicking off, people used the chaos to start looting shops and anything else of value.

There has been tension boiling under the surface for a long time now, just waiting for the kettle to heat to that point where it all comes boiling over.

The tension was there. It needed a spark. And the police action provided that spark.

[Angleter]

I'm sure there are, but I'm disputing the notion that the means of getting out of unemployment, when a job does come along, are beyond them.

Yes, when being the important word. More of an "if" in these times.

I'm not sure what notion you're on about. I'm pretty sure "while not being able to afford to get out" reffered to being unable to afford to move out of the area, if that's what you meant by the notion.

I assumed it meant that they were unable to go for jobs outside of Tottenham/Haringey because they "[couldn't] afford to get out" of the area. Incidentally, a woman interviewed on BBC News mentioned the fact that a new Asda had opened there recently, but there we go.

Except the riot wasn't about youth clubs, nor was it about gangs. It was about a protest against the police, sparked by a single and unforeseeable event, turning nasty! So how, precisely, would this have been different were the Tottenham youth clubs that have closed down still open?

Do you seriously think that riots happens over single incidents, completley unrelated to any other background factors?

Q. Where did the riot come from?
A. The riot stemmed from the protest.
Q. Why did the protest happen?
A. Because they don't believe that the police shooting a local man recently was justified.
Q. Why don't they believe that?
A. They don't trust the police.
Q. Why don't they trust the police?
A. Because of the de Menezes incident, because of recent history of Met Police excessive force, because of (to a lesser extent) News International, because of the Met being allegedly 'institutionally racist', because of the animosity between the community and the police in the 1980s (see Tottenham 1986, similar events in Brixton 1981, etc.)

As far as I can tell, both the short-term and underlying factors behind these protests (which sparked the riots) are to do with the police and their poor relations with large segments of the Tottenham population. Youth clubs don't come into this.

[Katganistan]

Hahaha, love it.

He lied to you...no one who has seen action can say that they could ignore any bullet injury and remain operational..bullshit.

Ok, that's quite enough.
*** Take a day to cool off for trolling and flamebaiting ***

[Alyakia]

I assumed it meant that they were unable to go for jobs outside of Tottenham/Haringey because they "[couldn't] afford to get out" of the area. Incidentally, a woman interviewed on BBC News mentioned the fact that a new Asda had opened there recently, but there we go.

Will that Asda create 500,000 jobs? Because that'd be damn impressive.

As far as I can tell, both the short-term and underlying factors behind these protests (which sparked the riots) are to do with the police and their poor relations with large segments of the Tottenham population. Youth clubs don't come into this.

You don't think that unemployed people with no places to go would be more likely to be willing to protest or riot and have more time to do so? If the council/governments police forces are being abusive, and the council/government are taking away your youth clubs/community centres, people will be angry at the council/government.

[Angleter]

Yeah, I was holding off on calling you a pretentious git, but then you deliberately went out of your way to look like one. Words like et al and ergo are pretty much part of the English lexicon. Also the only people that actually write out Q.E.D. in full are pretentious gits who don't know how to use it, case in point.

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The fact that I tried to shoehorn in as many foreign terms- and hence italicisations- as I possibly could wasn't actually to be taken seriously. I even linked to the dictionary from which I got half of the phrases I used to make it more patently obvious that I didn't actually have such a large vocabulary of foreign phrases at hand. Then again, I'm far from surprised that your ability to note when someone is actually being a pretentious git as opposed to doing such for humorous purposes is inhibited when it's me.