Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[Forsakia]

This is completely un-British

What about the good old football game riot?

You're off by about 20 years really.

[Episarta]

You are implying that I am one who believes we should turn into an anarchic society. That is not how I feel. I don't think we should be a lawless society with no limitation. I know anarchy doesn't work, I am not stupid. I just want to go out and kill people and ruin their day every now and again when the legal consequences aren't as blatant. The only thing that would stop me now really is the threat that I may get caught. And that would just suck.

You know, they have a word for people like you, people who would commit crimes and violence if only they didnt get caught....

Awesome?

[The Parkus Empire]

You are implying that I am one who believes we should turn into an anarchic society. That is not how I feel. I don't think we should be a lawless society with no limitation. I know anarchy doesn't work, I am not stupid. I just want to go out and kill people and ruin their day every now and again when the legal consequences aren't as blatant. The only thing that would stop me now really is the threat that I may get caught. And that would just suck.

You know, they have a word for people like you, people who would commit crimes and violence if only they didnt get caught....

Chicken? Bwak-bwa-bwa-bwa-bwak-bwak! *cue Michael J. Fox*

[The Parkus Empire]

I am gonna slap you in a minute.

Put the capacitors in vacumn..such as between two glass surfaces..or protected by a ceramic container...or perhaps actively cooled by a complex gas exchange system..such as found in refridgerators...or sprayed with a solvent of very high volatility...etcc....

Do you realize how completely unworkable that is to make into a suit?

It is somewhat unfashionable.

[Kalysk]

Do you realize how completely unworkable that is to make into a suit?

It is somewhat unfashionable.

[Grave_n_idle]

Will we get justice for the pig's brutality? Mmm, no, burn on ma brothers.

Though attacking the firefighters is a bit out of order.

Have we actually had any evidence of 'police brutality' yet?

[Trixiestan]

So yeah, have some new info:

Pictures! :3

Farewell youth clubs, hello street life – and gang warfare

Article on how the rioting was fairly predictable.

Tottenham riots: 26 police officers injured and 42 people arrested

The aftermath.

Also rumours are going around (according to the Daily Mail *sigh* and BBC) that the riots started when officers beat up a 16-year old girl at the initial protest.

[Angleter]

So yeah, have some new info:

Pictures! :3

Farewell youth clubs, hello street life – and gang warfare

Article on how the rioting was fairly predictable.

Tottenham riots: 26 police officers injured and 42 people arrested

The aftermath.

Also rumours are going around (according to the Daily Mail *sigh* and BBC) that the riots started when officers beat up a 16-year old girl at the initial protest.

I highly doubt that, at least in this event of a protest-cum-riot, most of the young people who did take part would have opted to give the big event a miss and instead be safely ensconced in their youth clubs, had they not been closed.

[The Matthew Islands]

that the riots started when officers beat up a 16-year old girl at the initial protest.

Well yeah, people will always blame the police.

[Alyakia]

So yeah, have some new info:

Pictures! :3

Farewell youth clubs, hello street life – and gang warfare

Article on how the rioting was fairly predictable.

Tottenham riots: 26 police officers injured and 42 people arrested

The aftermath.

Also rumours are going around (according to the Daily Mail *sigh* and BBC) that the riots started when officers beat up a 16-year old girl at the initial protest.

I highly doubt that, at least in this event of a protest-cum-riot, most of the young people who did take part would have opted to give the big event a miss and instead be safely ensconced in their youth clubs, had they not been closed.

So, did you actually read the article?

[Angleter]

I highly doubt that, at least in this event of a protest-cum-riot, most of the young people who did take part would have opted to give the big event a miss and instead be safely ensconced in their youth clubs, had they not been closed.

So, did you actually read the article?

Yes, and all it seemed to say was that council cuts to youth clubs et al would lead to a rise in gang crime et al. I can't see the connection either to 29-year-old Mark Duggan's death, nor to the ensuing mass protest that turned violent.

[Alyakia]

So, did you actually read the article?

Yes, and all it seemed to say was that council cuts to youth clubs et al would lead to a rise in gang crime et al. I can't see the connection either to 29-year-old Mark Duggan's death, nor to the ensuing mass protest that turned violent.

While there are obviously many valid and commonly used latin phrases that best describe a concept and can be used in every day conversation, using italics everytime you used one makes you seem a bit... Uh...

Shutting youth clubs would obviously lead to more bored youths spending their time on the streets, and possibly an increase in violence. And now we have a situation where bored youths have taken to the streets and started smashing shit up.

[Trixiestan]

that the riots started when officers beat up a 16-year old girl at the initial protest.

Well yeah, people will always blame the police.

No-one trusts the police. They trusted them with Jean Charles De Meneses? They lied. They trusted them with Ian Tomlinson? They lied. By the time all the phone hacking happened, nobody believed the police.

So, did you actually read the article?

Yes, and all it seemed to say was that council cuts to youth clubs et al would lead to a rise in gang crime et al. I can't see the connection either to 29-year-old Mark Duggan's death, nor to the ensuing mass protest that turned violent.

Hello look we're teenagers and young men with little in the way of education and no chance of getting a job due to living in an area with high unemployment while not being able to afford to get out. The government has taken away our EMA and they've closed out the few areas that kept us off of the streets. Also we live in an area with lots of gang-related activity and since we have nothing to do we're going to be drawn into it.

[Dakini]

Yes, and all it seemed to say was that council cuts to youth clubs et al would lead to a rise in gang crime et al. I can't see the connection either to 29-year-old Mark Duggan's death, nor to the ensuing mass protest that turned violent.

While there are obviously many valid and commonly used latin phrases that best describe a concept and can be used in every day conversation, using italics everytime you used one makes you seem a bit... Uh...

Especially since "et al." is incorrect in this situation. One is supposed to use "et al" when one abbreviates a list of people and "etc" when one abbreviates a list of things.

[Trixiestan]

London riots: Dozens injured after Tottenham violence

BBC article on the chaos. States that, as I said before, a teenage girl was the flash point:

BBC crime reporter Ben Ando said there were rumours in the community that a teenage girl who was part of the peaceful protest had been in a kind of confrontation with police.

He said: "That appears to be the flashpoint. That was the moment at around about just after eight o'clock when it seemed that elements in the crowd decided to pick on two police cars. They were then set on fire."

Fron here:

The girl who reportedly was involved in causing the violence between police and protesters may have thrown a stone at police.

Laurence Bailey "holed up in a church 10 metres away from the Tottenham riot". He told the Guardian that he saw the girl "throw some card and something else, maybe a stone, at the original riot police line".

Bailey said the girl was then "pounded by 15 riot shields". He said that the police "launched into her with startling force using both batons and shields. She went down on the floor but once she managed to get up she was hit again before being half-dragged away by her friend."

He added: "After she was removed there were a few minutes of peace and then lots of glass bottles started being thrown, we could hear them.

[Angleter]

Yes, and all it seemed to say was that council cuts to youth clubs et al would lead to a rise in gang crime et al. I can't see the connection either to 29-year-old Mark Duggan's death, nor to the ensuing mass protest that turned violent.

While there are obviously many valid and commonly used latin phrases that best describe a concept and can be used in every day conversation, using italics everytime you used one makes you seem a bit... Uh...

Shutting youth clubs would obviously lead to more bored youths spending their time on the streets, and possibly an increase in violence. And now we have a situation where bored youths have taken to the streets and started smashing shit up.

Italics, when used vis-á-vis imported foreign terms that are used because- as you say- they are the mot juste, are generally considered apropos, unless said term has become a bona fide English word. Et al is identifiably foreign and is not really part of the English lexicon (whereas 'foreign' or 'lexicon' are), ergo to write it in italics is to write it comme il faut. Quod erat demonstrandum. If you too wish to boost your knowledge of foreign words and phrases, then this website is la crème de la crème.

That aside, this clearly was a big event in the community- a great community protest (as it was initally planned) against alleged use of excessive force on the part of the police. Those who attended and then partook in the riot, be they young or old, would most likely have attended anyway, as it was meant to be a big protest event in the community. Indeed, I wouldn't have been surprised if youth club leaders would take their members to the protest in order to get them involved in community political activism. And once the ever-present few thugs spoiling for a fight got into gear, then it all goes to pot.

[Dakini]

While there are obviously many valid and commonly used latin phrases that best describe a concept and can be used in every day conversation, using italics everytime you used one makes you seem a bit... Uh...

Shutting youth clubs would obviously lead to more bored youths spending their time on the streets, and possibly an increase in violence. And now we have a situation where bored youths have taken to the streets and started smashing shit up.

Italics, when used vis-á-vis imported foreign terms that are used because- as you say- they are the mot juste, are generally considered apropos, unless said term has become a bona fide English word. Et al is identifiably foreign and is not really part of the English lexicon (whereas 'foreign' or 'lexicon' are), ergo to write it in italics is to write it comme il faut. Quod erat demonstrandum. If you too wish to boost your knowledge of foreign words and phrases, then this website is la crème de la crème.

You still used "et al." incorrectly. You should have used "etc".

Also, people don't use italics for foreign words very much anymore. Even in formal writing.

edit: also, you used the wrong accent in vis-à-vis and QED means that you've proven something, not that you've demonstrated use repeatedly.

[Alyakia]

Yeah, I was holding off on calling you a pretentious git, but then you deliberately went out of your way to look like one. Words like et al and ergo are pretty much part of the English lexicon. Also the only people that actually write out Q.E.D. in full are pretentious gits who don't know how to use it, case in point.

[Grave_n_idle]

London riots: Dozens injured after Tottenham violence

BBC article on the chaos. States that, as I said before, a teenage girl was the flash point:

"...states that..." is a bit strong.

It's rumour, so far. Rumour that the event took place as suggested, (indeed) rumour that the event took place at all, and rumour that it was that event that triggered the violence.

It's worth pointing out that - if the event did happen, and if it happened as described, the 'violence' had already started if people were throwing projectiles at the police, so all we're really discussing with this story, is when it got out of control.

[Serrland]

Evidently the rioting damaged a Spurs ticket office. Why would hitting out at local institutions like Football Clubs help you in any way during a riot? Not quite sure I get it. Unless it's just the common case of a few nutters seeing some disturbances and then heading out to get their jollies by breaking stuff for no good reason.

If you care: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/ar ... 70811.html

[Grave_n_idle]

Italics, when used vis-á-vis imported foreign terms that are used because- as you say- they are the mot juste, are generally considered apropos, unless said term has become a bona fide English word. Et al is identifiably foreign and is not really part of the English lexicon (whereas 'foreign' or 'lexicon' are), ergo to write it in italics is to write it comme il faut. Quod erat demonstrandum. If you too wish to boost your knowledge of foreign words and phrases, then this website is la crème de la crème.

You still used "et al." incorrectly. You should have used "etc".

Also, people don't use italics for foreign words very much anymore. Even in formal writing.

I do. It was de rigueur at my school.

Still seems like this is a bit of a pissing-contest hijack, though.

[Greed and Death]

London riots: Dozens injured after Tottenham violence

BBC article on the chaos. States that, as I said before, a teenage girl was the flash point:

"...states that..." is a bit strong.

It's rumour, so far. Rumour that the event took place as suggested, (indeed) rumour that the event took place at all, and rumour that it was that event that triggered the violence.

It's worth pointing out that - if the event did happen, and if it happened as described, the 'violence' had already started if people were throwing projectiles at the police, so all we're really discussing with this story, is when it got out of control.

They got her on camera saying whoever burns the most stuff down she will sleep with.

[Alyakia]

"...states that..." is a bit strong.

It's rumour, so far. Rumour that the event took place as suggested, (indeed) rumour that the event took place at all, and rumour that it was that event that triggered the violence.

It's worth pointing out that - if the event did happen, and if it happened as described, the 'violence' had already started if people were throwing projectiles at the police, so all we're really discussing with this story, is when it got out of control.

They got her on camera saying whoever burns the most stuff down she will sleep with.

Really?

[Dakini]

You still used "et al." incorrectly. You should have used "etc".

Also, people don't use italics for foreign words very much anymore. Even in formal writing.

I do. It was de rigueur at my school.

Still seems like this is a bit of a pissing-contest hijack, though.

I wasn't making much of a pissing contest. It just annoys me when people use words incorrectly and then act pretentiously about their use of foreign words and phrases.

Maybe in certain styles of writing italics are used, in my field we definitely don't italicize et al. or etc in papers.

However, hijack, will stop.

[Angleter]

Yes, and all it seemed to say was that council cuts to youth clubs et al would lead to a rise in gang crime et al. I can't see the connection either to 29-year-old Mark Duggan's death, nor to the ensuing mass protest that turned violent.

Hello look we're teenagers and young men with little in the way of education and no chance of getting a job due to living in an area with high unemployment while not being able to afford to get out. The government has taken away our EMA and they've closed out the few areas that kept us off of the streets. Also we live in an area with lots of gang-related activity and since we have nothing to do we're going to be drawn into it.

Except these riots weren't a case of gang violence, they evolved from an initial mass protest, attendance of which I'm sure wouldn't have been dented by the presence of more youth clubs in Tottenham.

As for the unemployment, they have a JobCentre on Tottenham High Road itself, and for going out and getting jobs, an Oyster Card is available for a £5 refundable fee, and holders of such can get day passes on the bus for £4 (without an Oyster card, it's £2.20 per journey). As for EMA, I'm struggling to find any case in which not continuing on at school in an area with- as you say- sod-all by way of employment opportunities (particularly for 16 year old school leavers) would be financially beneficial, since JSA is only payable to over-18s anyway.