Riots in North London (and other UK cities)

[The Parkus Empire]

I wish Americans would riot like this.

Fairly certain we've rioted a helluva lot worse than this.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm not so sure.

Hitting people in the wallet works surprisingly well, a lot of the time.

Not when their wallet gets hit even if they stop rioting.

We'll see if the numbers rioting drop.

[Sremski okrug]

I wish Americans would riot like this.

the youth of the United States are too lazy to do anything like this.

[Grave_n_idle]

I wish Americans would riot like this.

the youth of the United States are too lazy to do anything like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

[Greater Cabinda]

I wish Americans would riot like this.

Fairly certain we've rioted a helluva lot worse than this.

Everyone forgets about the Rodney King riots.

You know, the ones where they had to call in the Nat'l guard.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[Bananatria]

This whole thing was brought on by wasters without jobs sponging off society. While there are definately people who genuinely cant get a job, most of them are simply lazy. This problem can be solved quite simply. Everyone gets one year of unemployment, and, if at the end of the year they are still unemployed, the are shipped off to the army. This solves the unemployment problem and gives Britain more troops for the wars in the Middle East and Africa.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

This whole thing was brought on by wasters without jobs sponging off society. While there are definately people who genuinely cant get a job, most of them are simply lazy. This problem can be solved quite simply. Everyone gets one year of unemployment, and, if at the end of the year they are still unemployed, the are shipped off to the army. This solves the unemployment problem and gives Britain more troops for the wars in the Middle East and Africa.

What the hell is up with this idea that the British armed forces need more twats?

[Greater Cabinda]

This whole thing was brought on by wasters without jobs sponging off society. While there are definately people who genuinely cant get a job, most of them are simply lazy. This problem can be solved quite simply. Everyone gets one year of unemployment, and, if at the end of the year they are still unemployed, the are shipped off to the army. This solves the unemployment problem and gives Britain more troops for the wars in the Middle East and Africa.

What the hell is up with this idea that the British armed forces need more twats?

They're trying to re-invade the Republic of Ireland.

[Cilistia Novaren]

This whole thing was brought on by wasters without jobs sponging off society. While there are definately people who genuinely cant get a job, most of them are simply lazy. This problem can be solved quite simply. Everyone gets one year of unemployment, and, if at the end of the year they are still unemployed, the are shipped off to the army. This solves the unemployment problem and gives Britain more troops for the wars in the Middle East and Africa.

What the hell is up with this idea that the British armed forces need more twats?

This^ Small and professional is always better than large and useless

[The Parkus Empire]

This whole thing was brought on by wasters without jobs sponging off society. While there are definately people who genuinely cant get a job, most of them are simply lazy. This problem can be solved quite simply. Everyone gets one year of unemployment, and, if at the end of the year they are still unemployed, the are shipped off to the army. This solves the unemployment problem and gives Britain more troops for the wars in the Middle East and Africa.

That would be mighty expensive. Hope you're willing to pay taxes up the ass.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

What the hell is up with this idea that the British armed forces need more twats?

They're trying to re-invade the Republic of Ireland.

Groovy. We were getting shown up a bit in the rioting game.

[Trixiestan]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

[Grave_n_idle]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

Why? Someone ascribes political - even altruistic - motives to the violence and looting, so that's what is happening?

No, this is somewhere between wishful thinking and propaganda - the guys burning London buses, and stealing flatscreen TV's are not making a political statement, they're stealing shit, and blowing shit up. Because they want to

[Trixiestan]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

Why? Someone ascribes political - even altruistic - motives to the violence and looting, so that's what is happening?

No, this is somewhere between wishful thinking and propaganda - the guys burning London buses, and stealing flatscreen TV's are not making a political statement, they're stealing shit, and blowing shit up. Because they want to

Here's a post from another forum I'll put here cuz (Duck Monster. Best monster. Also Duck).

It comes back to the whole point of ideology vs material conditions. A kid who wants to smash shit haphazard because he wants shit the rich people have, and a marxist who wants to charge the cops because he's tired of the appropriation of wealth from the working class are basically thinking the same thing and reacting to the same essential injustice. The kid just doesn't know what it means, he just knows he hates it. The kid however is still displaying class conciousness, however poorly articulated or theorized it is.

In fact odds are the marxist academics got a good chance of actually being from some vaguelly bourgie background and in a sense probably has a more distorted class conciousness (If he was honest he'd be siding with the rulers, in line with his class interests) than the rioting kid who knows full fucking well that cops,rich cunts and the government are the enemy because cops bash him, rich cunts fire him and the government fucks him and his community over and just wants to break some shit to do something, anything about it. He's not ideological, his concerns are rooted in very material conditions, even if he can't spell it out in correct marxoteen language.

[Greater Cabinda]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

Why? Someone ascribes political - even altruistic - motives to the violence and looting, so that's what is happening?

No, this is somewhere between wishful thinking and propaganda - the guys burning London buses, and stealing flatscreen TV's are not making a political statement, they're stealing shit, and blowing shit up. Because they want to

Obviously hopelessness doesn't exist anymore.

[Fal Dara in Shienar]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

"We don't have a future."

"Um... The banks!"

"And the police!"

"Er... Look at what you're seeing today: the message is here!"

"They have nothing to lose!"

The interview is virtually impossible to listen to. There's literally no reasoning he's giving. It's just a slew of empty slogans and bumperstickers. Are they rioting against the banks? Then why are they burning pubs? Are they against the police? Then why are they leaving the Met alone? Are they against the current political regime? Then why the fuck are they stealing MacBooks and Nike's?

It's a shitty interview with an idiot.

[Ryannium]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

Blah blah blah, its always the complication and plain retarded justification with lefties.

The answer is simple -

Humans are bastards

Especially when lazy and bored.

Period

[The Parkus Empire]

Here's a nifty video on the tubeyou~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmo8DG1gno4&

Nice and well stated. Perhaps if the BBC showed more interviews like this, we'd have less people screaming for the blood of the rioters.

Why? Someone ascribes political - even altruistic - motives to the violence and looting, so that's what is happening?

No, this is somewhere between wishful thinking and propaganda - the guys burning London buses, and stealing flatscreen TV's are not making a political statement, they're stealing shit, and blowing shit up. Because they want to

Yes, but there were conditions that allowed them to. A keg of powder. Not justifying, mind. It's just mass-scale theft and vandalism, but it didn't come out of nowhere.

[Trixiestan]

"...and we will not let any phony concerns about Human Rights get in the way of the publication of these pictures and the arrest of these individuals."

At around the one minute mark, David Cameron literally brushes aside Human Rights because he's a rubber-faced twat.

[Fal Dara in Shienar]

"...and we will not let any phony concerns about Human Rights get in the way of the publication of these pictures and the arrest of these individuals."

At around the one minute mark, David Cameron literally brushes aside Human Rights because he's a rubber-faced twat.

I smell a Godwin coming on.

[New Norman England]

"...and we will not let any phony concerns about Human Rights get in the way of the publication of these pictures and the arrest of these individuals."

At around the one minute mark, David Cameron literally brushes aside Human Rights because he's a rubber-faced twat.

Except that this is the purpose of CCTV and lefties always bring up dodgy human rights claims to defeat the system.

But you just go ahead and pretend Cameron said he opposes human rights, even though it's a straw man.

[Shota Island]

Why? Someone ascribes political - even altruistic - motives to the violence and looting, so that's what is happening?

No, this is somewhere between wishful thinking and propaganda - the guys burning London buses, and stealing flatscreen TV's are not making a political statement, they're stealing shit, and blowing shit up. Because they want to

Yes, but there were conditions that allowed them to. A keg of powder. Not justifying, mind. It's just mass-scale theft and vandalism, but it didn't come out of nowhere.

Yes, but "The police killed someone and the economy sucks" is, as you DO admit, not justification for "Hey, let's burn down shops, blow up cars, and generally absolutely fucking wreck the place."

It's an embarrassment, it's downright shameful for the entire community, and they're all of them acting like big selfish babies. I took a social psychology class, I'm well aware that in a crowd, things can get elevated and people can be pushed to extreme conclusions when everyone else is reinforcing the same idea and being pushed in the same way. But that is no excuse whatsoever for this.

I say this is one of those cases where the police have every right to say "You know what, if you keep going on like this, we're not going to hesitate to use serious brutal, potentially lethal force on anyone we see who's destroying shops and vandalizing, so now it's up to you guys, you can either keep looting and have us start seriously cracking down [like they should have days ago, mind you] on this now, or you can stop and help try to rebuild."

It's ridiculous, they're destroying their own city. What is it they expect to happen after this is all over?

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, but there were conditions that allowed them to. A keg of powder. Not justifying, mind. It's just mass-scale theft and vandalism, but it didn't come out of nowhere.

Yes, but "The police killed someone and the economy sucks" is, as you DO admit, not justification for "Hey, let's burn down shops, blow up cars, and generally absolutely fucking wreck the place."

It's an embarrassment, it's downright shameful for the entire community, and they're all of them acting like big selfish babies. I took a social psychology class, I'm well aware that in a crowd, things can get elevated and people can be pushed to extreme conclusions when everyone else is reinforcing the same idea and being pushed in the same way. But that is no excuse whatsoever for this.

I say this is one of those cases where the police have every right to say "You know what, if you keep going on like this, we're not going to hesitate to use serious brutal, potentially lethal force on anyone we see who's destroying shops and vandalizing, so now it's up to you guys, you can either keep looting and have us start seriously cracking down [like they should have days ago, mind you] on this now, or you can stop and help try to rebuild."

It's ridiculous, they're destroying their own city. What is it they expect to happen after this is all over?

If the police escalated it to lethal force (which would be murder), then the rioters would probably match them.

[Fal Dara in Shienar]

It's ridiculous, they're destroying their own city. What is it they expect to happen after this is all over?

A four week bender involving all the stolen booze, drugs and consumer electronics they made off with.

...And the destruction of capitalism, reserve banking, the Met, racism, the Coalition government, the resolution of the financial crisis and absolving of Britain's debt. Along with any other excuses the blow-hards in this thread and at the Guardian can come up with.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

I'm well aware that in a crowd, things can get elevated and people can be pushed to extreme conclusions when everyone else is reinforcing the same idea and being pushed in the same way.

Which is what is also seeming to happen on the non-looty side of things