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Postby The European Jews » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:05 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The European Jews wrote:There's a 3rd godfather wtf I never knew that et oui the godfather is good but the 2nd one was stupid cause they killed fredo :( he was cool :'(

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He gets old wtf .... And can u make me some I'm lazy :gp

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The European Jews wrote:Twilight ..... Now please don't kill me with ur hatefullness I'm a girl we all love it.

1.KILL IT WITH FIRE! :twisted:
2.No, not all girls love it. Luckily.
My reasons are: Twilight has hot vampires that are romantic omfg! What more could u ask

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As for the best movie franchises/series around...

#1 Star Trek. No seriously, the movies are quite... disappointing (the best one being Galaxy Quest speaks books! ;) ) but they're still going after HOW MANY YEARS? There must be something beyond the grasp of our minds... maybe the Qs...

#2 Star Wars, the ONLY THREE MOVIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, The Return of the Jedi. Reasons: Lucas when he still knew how to write a script, plus Kasdan, John Williams' score, and HOLY MOTHER OF MOVIES LEIGH BRACKETT!!! Also Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher's bikini (how many of us entered puberty because of that), and lightsabers. The stuff myths are made of.

#3 Sergio Leone's "Dollar Trilogy". Reinvented the Western AND created Clint Eastwood. And it dealt away with those useless romantic subplots, singing cowboys, and lengthy death speeches given by people who had just been turned into a colander by SIX .45 bullets...

#4 Indiana Jones (THERE IS NO FOURTH MOVIE! REALLY, LUCAS, DO RETIRE!). Snarky, witty and action-packed. Comes either with Nazis (who doesn't love them, they're the perfect baddies) OR Thugs (a reasonable substitute...). It's the reason why I often wear a hat.

#5 Back to the Future (how could I forget it?). Doc Brown is just the perfect mad scientists, the plots are well-designed and the dialogue is perfect. Plus, the 2nd movie is a masterwork of scripting - basically they remade half of the first movie from another perspective, that's GENIUS.

#6 Night Watch/Day Watch. Vampires and werewolves, but with brains, a plot, and awesome use of the camera.

#7 Ivan the Terrible and The Boyars' Plot. Epic perfection, and probabily some of the best use of black-and-white film. Of course, it's Ejzenstejn!

#8 James Bond. Sean Connery, gadgets, some of the best baddies, and Bondgirls; it's the paragon for action movies.
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Postby Mr Bananagrabber » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:14 am

The European Jews wrote:Twilight ..... Now please don't kill me with ur hatefullness I'm a girl we all love it.

My reasons are: Twilight has hot vampires that are romantic omfg! What more could u ask :p et I loved how thee movies were nothing like the books :p and the actors suck but are sexy..... :p




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Postby The House of Petain » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:03 am

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He said best franchise, not worst.

I agree with you on Godfather however.

Not a fan of the other two, or do you just feel that The Godfather leaves all other sequel-format competition in the dust?


What are we talking about? Jurassic Park, the first one was alright. The two to follow just awful, especially if we are going off how accurate it was to the books (wait, was the third one even a book?)

The Godfather, I liked the first two films. But it seemed to have gotten worse as they progressive. So while I loved the first one, I just liked the second one, and I loathe the third. I wouldn't say it did the best job, but it was alright.

So maybe I don't agree with you. Who knows? I'm tired. :p
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:31 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Not a fan of the other two, or do you just feel that The Godfather leaves all other sequel-format competition in the dust?


What are we talking about? Jurassic Park, the first one was alright. The two to follow just awful, especially if we are going off how accurate it was to the books (wait, was the third one even a book?)

The Godfather, I liked the first two films. But it seemed to have gotten worse as they progressive. So while I loved the first one, I just liked the second one, and I loathe the third. I wouldn't say it did the best job, but it was alright.

So maybe I don't agree with you. Who knows? I'm tired. :p

I was talking about the other trilogies I named, since I though you were referring to my picks when you mentioned The Godfather.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:53 am

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#2 Star Wars, the ONLY THREE MOVIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, The Return of the Jedi. Reasons: Lucas when he still knew how to write a script, plus Kasdan, John Williams' score, and HOLY MOTHER OF MOVIES LEIGH BRACKETT!!! Also Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher's bikini (how many of us entered puberty because of that), and lightsabers. The stuff myths are made of.


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The only two film trilogies in which all three installments were exceptional across the board were the aforementioned "man with no name" movies and the "toy story" series.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:22 pm

The Dark Knight Trilogy.

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Postby Mushet » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:11 pm

I really gotta watch the godfather sometime, I read the book, but the first one is never on
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Postby Italiani a Roma » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:24 pm

The Godfather Trilogy

The tale is one that covers many subjects.

One is the rise and fall of the American Cosa Nostra, from family men to thugs. Vito was all about the family, and died playing with his grandson. Micheal was all about business and therefore died alone.

The films can also be compared to the disolving of values in America and among Italian-Americans (In the Snookie era, this can be seen easily). Vito's family is close andrefuses to deal narcotics, while Micheal's is loose and goes into the business of killing clergymen.

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Postby Mushet » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:40 pm

Italiani a Roma wrote:The Godfather Trilogy

The tale is one that covers many subjects.

One is the rise and fall of the American Cosa Nostra, from family men to thugs. Vito was all about the family, and died playing with his grandson. Micheal was all about business and therefore died alone.

The films can also be compared to the disolving of values in America and among Italian-Americans (In the Snookie era, this can be seen easily). Vito's family is close andrefuses to deal narcotics, while Micheal's is loose and goes into the business of killing clergymen.

A film can cover anything if you overanalyze it enough :p
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Postby Imsogone » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:12 pm

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Wow. I am surprised to see that referenced. Many people don't know them. I liked the earlier ones better as they changed when the director died.

I did like seeing the guy who voiced the Dumbo mouse in a couple......

They're remaking them soon. :/ I'm somewhat doubtful of the idea.


That's scary. I loved the William Powell/Myrna Loy versions. That chemistry will be hard to duplicate, if it's possible at all.

There are a number of series from the '30s/'40s that were enjoyable - the Basil Rathbone version of Sherlock Holmes comes to mind.

I also liked the Indiana Jones series (excellent take off on the '30s serials). And, I hate to admit it, I like Harry Potter.

Also, the new Star Trek franchise looks promising.
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Postby Volmachtia » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:17 pm

Probably not the franchise as a whole, but the new Star Trek is amazing.

LOTR, too, just a plain classic and a remarkably well-directed film in all three.

Iron Man is also very enjoyable, I watch them all the time.

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Postby Autash » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:55 pm

Star Trek.

I understand why many people don't like the franchise - it's spends a lot of time in the realm of abstract thoughts, personal conflicts and philosophical arguments, which generally isn't what people look for in a science fiction film. But that is also the quality that makes Trek unique: in what has become a sea of action-hero space operas, it has until recently remained a sturdy rock for cinemagoers with a penchant for movies that make them think.

Going film by film:

The Golden Age (based on The Original Series)

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - yes, the damn thing took forever to get its point across and was difficult to follow. But of all the Trek movies, this is the one that was truest to the roots of the franchise.
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - More action-oriented than its predecessor, but no less powerful in its core concepts. It also established Khan as one of the most badass villains in cinema history, thanks in large part to his portrayal by Ricardo Montalban.
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock - Considerably weaker than Wrath of Khan in all aspects, mostly there to move the story forward. That said, Christopher Lloyd made a very convincing Klingon, and the plot would be important to better movies later on.
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - Sadly this movie suffered from Eighties Syndrome, not the least of which was because it actually took place in the 1980's. The idea that humpback whales were contacted by aliens was also a bit of a stretch. That in mind, it did serve to fill in Spock's character post resurrection and in general.
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - It's a commonly held belief that odd Trek movies are worse than even ones. I don't agree. Although not as exciting as Khan, Final Frontier did succeed in returning to Trek's roots, focusing on story and underlying concepts over action sequences. It was also effective as the predecent of what was to come...
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country - Definitely one of the better Trek films in all aspects: story, action, and characters. As Star Trek was known for doing in the past, VI drew a parallel between fictional events in the Klingon Empire and real-life events in the crumbling Soviet Union. It also resolved many open-ended plot devices, notably the conflict between Klingons and the Federation, and Kirk's animosity toward the Klingons and its relation to the loss of his son. Most of all, the battle sequences were well balanced with the plot elements, making the film both exciting and brain-intensive.

The Silver Age (based on The Next Generation)

Star Trek: Generations - Like Search for Spock, Generations was a transitional film above anything else. But it served its purpose well, offering both exciting action (though admittedly not much) and a story that was deep, but not so deep the layman couldn't follow it. Soran was also a great villain.
Star Trek: First Contact - This is quite possibly the Star Trek franchise at its best. Blending the pinnacle of special effects in the late 1990's with a strong cast and the most sinister enemy of the series, the blend of action and story added a new element: horror -- and did so to great effect. It also explored long standing internal conflict with two of the favorite protagonists, Picard and Data, intertwining and resolving both of them with as close to perfection as was humanly possible. Finally, it filled in a key point of history within the fictional universe by introducing the event of First Contact. (No spoilers.)

Unfortunately, as great as First Contact was, the peak of a franchise also denotes the starting point of its decline...

Star Trek: Insurrection - Again, the Trek team maintained a good balance of story, action, and character development. But Insurrection didn't make as strong of an impression as First Contact did, even falling into outright campiness at certain points. Still, one wouldn't know at the time that this was the beginning of the end for Star Trek's silver age.
Star Trek: Nemesis - This is where the franchise really started falling apart. Whereas Voyage Home suffered from Eighties Syndrome, Nemesis (as well as the TV series "Enterprise") were ailed by something even worse: Millennial Disease. The action elements were okay, but nowhere near impressive; characters went downhill in their development for the first time, notably with the loss of feminine strength that tended to plague the media of the decade; and a vain attempt at a deeper meaning simply didn't deliver. As bad as Nemesis was, though, it didn't hold a candle to the long, drawn out exacerbation of Millennial Disease that Enterprise became in the years that followed, decaying the franchise into a husk of its former self with tired underlying concepts and grossly ill-adivsed sexualization.

The Retcon ("Alternate Reality")

J.J. Abrams' Star Trek - I admit, I have not seen this movie. I'm afraid to. Don't get me wrong, J.J. Abrams is an excellent director and cinematographer, and any further destruction of the Trek franchise was not his fault. But given the state of the franchise at the time, I strongly suspect that the powers that be in Hollywood retconned Star Trek to make it 'appeal to a wider audience' - in other words, annihilated its soul and turned it into yet another Star Wars copycat. As a result, all the problems that plagued Nemesis and Enterprise (too much action, oversexed, deadpan characters and no depth of story) would still be there in the retcon, and likely be even worse with no established precedents to hold it back. Worse still, by destroying Vulcan in the movie the writers ensured the later events of "Star Trek: Voyager" would never take place, effectively enshrining the notion that absolutely nothing from the original timeline matters anymore.

But again, I haven't actually seen "Star Trek 1-A," so anyone who has seen it feel free to allay my concerns.
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Postby Volmachtia » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:04 am

Autash wrote:stuff

I'll admit, the new Star Trek wasn't much to the same spirit as its predecessors, but there's still the quality of high science fiction in its design that simply made it one of the best films in a while. Personally, I think that doing the film in an alternate timeline with all sorts of modifications is a good thing- it frees Abrams from having to adhere to the strict and cluttered Star Trek canon, which rather few moviegoers would have taken an interest in. I enjoy the televised franchise too, but honestly, if the new movie were anything like the old show, it wouldn't have been worth the money. In a day and age where sci-fi is meant to be the true epitome of the big-budget action adventure movie, it couldn't have been anything else if it wanted to be successful, and I really don't regret the changes they made. If you could stomach the fairly large adjustments and just focus on the movie itself, I'll guarantee you'll enjoy it.

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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:09 am

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Autash wrote:stuff

I'll admit, the new Star Trek wasn't much to the same spirit as its predecessors, but there's still the quality of high science fiction in its design that simply made it one of the best films in a while. Personally, I think that doing the film in an alternate timeline with all sorts of modifications is a good thing- it frees Abrams from having to adhere to the strict and cluttered Star Trek canon, which rather few moviegoers would have taken an interest in. I enjoy the televised franchise too, but honestly, if the new movie were anything like the old show, it wouldn't have been worth the money. In a day and age where sci-fi is meant to be the true epitome of the big-budget action adventure movie, it couldn't have been anything else if it wanted to be successful, and I really don't regret the changes they made. If you could stomach the fairly large adjustments and just focus on the movie itself, I'll guarantee you'll enjoy it.

Agreed, when I first viewed it I went in with a bad attitude of, "OMG they killed the Star Trek I grew up with and made it an action flick!" I hated it the first time I watched it. I came back to it a few months latter with a more open mind and realizing that Wrath of Khan was a movie made by a guy who had never seen one episode of TOS. I really enjoyed Star Trek(2009) when I had a more open mind and consider it now an excellent Trek Film that has finally gotten Trek films out of the slump that was everything after First Contact.
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Postby Pinewald » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:20 am

Yep, I'll say it:

What beats Star Trek? Or at least, what beats Star Wars?
I'll give my reviews on Star Trek-

1: The Motion Picture
Not horrible, just an overly expanded two hour episode of a TV show, boring but not so bad to hate.
2: Wrath of Khan
It's amazing, one of my top three favorites. This one rivals Star Trek 8: First Contact. Khan Vs. Kirk. The battles and the transitional storyline make it a tightly running movie that makes you wish you saw it for the first time, I didn't. I was -1.5 years old at the time! lol.
3: The Search For Spock
Okay, it's basically like a part two of the last movie. The first movie is nothing like five after it in terms of budget, uniforms and the overall feel of the movie.
4: The Voyage Home
This one is like an episode, but has a tighter feel to it that speeds you along quicker than The Motion Picture.
5: The Final Frontier
Episode feel, but not nearly as good as IV. Perhaps the cheesier of all 11 movies. Better than the 1st, but not completely important to see.
6: The Undiscovered Country
Perhaps another great one of the 11, like most it's not really about battle, it's about getting those who have been traitors that basically stabbed you in the back. It's nice to see Hikaru Sulu having his own command and how he backs up Kirk throughout the movie.
7: Generations
A critically important segway of the franchise, old era meets new era. Kirk is killed aboard the Enterprise-B while it was 90% completed and staffed while on an emergency rescue mission to save crews in ships hijacked by Tolean Soran in the gigantic flail of electric bands known as 'The Nexus' a strange universe traveling vortex you can enter if you want to see everything you've ever wanted to see. Kirk never gets a BIG funeral, just a small one on a desert planet. The Klingon warbird Vs. Enterprise scene is interesting and entertaining.
8: First Contact
Actually, this one is my top favorite by a small margin because of the battle scene of the Federation ships Vs. Borg. The Federation Vs. Borg battle is a knockdown drag out slug fest making you glad your not in it, but merely a bystander. Picard and his crew must stop the Borg from cutting the plans of Zephrain Cocchran's first Warp ship travel.
9: Insurrection
Hand to hand combat on a planet that makes your body reverse aging? Awesome. No battle in space if I remember right, but the character interaction is a good part too.
10: Nemesis
Awesome. The Federation Vs. Romulan battles are another rare sight in the franchise. Shinzon's vessel is HUGE while the Enterprise-E looks valiantly small. Great storyline of envy and rage. Shinzon seems to honestly like Picard as a brother, you might for a second think he is honestly wanting peace, but like a brutal dictator shatters that trust you wanted to have for him. Romulan-Hitler?
11: 'Star Trek (XI)'
Blury, but awesome. The film style is one of the few problems in the movie. The main bad guy's name is Nero, that's right NERO the same name of the Ancient leader that fiddled his guitar-like lute as Rome burnt down. He talks a little like a coward, maybe a little gay to, Nero weighs down the quality of the movie, but not too much.

Anyone still reading this should know that the Star Wars movies BEAT Star Trek's in style quality and consistancy, but Star Wars is only 6 movies long counting the prequels.
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Postby Volmachtia » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:44 am

Star Wars 4 and 5 are great, 6 was good until the Ewoks killed it, and the three prequels were awful.

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Postby Autash » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:29 am

Pinewald wrote:9: Insurrection
Hand to hand combat on a planet that makes your body reverse aging? Awesome. No battle in space if I remember right, but the character interaction is a good part too.


There was totally a space battle.
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Nightkill the Emperor wrote:The Dark Knight Trilogy.

...what do you mean by that?
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Postby Mussoliniopoli » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:41 am

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Nightkill the Emperor wrote:The Dark Knight Trilogy.

...what do you mean by that?
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I believe he is referring to the Batman Trilogy by Christopher Nolan.
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Dagnia
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Postby Dagnia » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:44 am

James bond is No. 1 for me. The Godfather is also great. The first couple of Indiana Jones movies were good, but the more recent ones suck balls.
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Autash
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Postby Autash » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:45 am

Mussoliniopoli wrote:
Risottia wrote:...what do you mean by that?
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I believe he is referring to the Batman Trilogy by Christopher Nolan.


Of which only two have been finished and the third is still in production. So it's not a trilogy yet.

But yeah, Nolan did a good job on those. Granted, he's indirectly responsible for killing Heath Ledger, but he did good.
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