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Tawny Port wrote:Islam 101: Muslims (brilliantly) adopted many of the texts of the other older monotheistic religions - Judism & Xianity. They have an Old Testiment, New Testiment and (this is the brilliant part) a Final Testiment. (no Penultiment there!!!) Levidicus (an outmoded patriarchal piece of doodoo in my humble opinion) which is common to all 3, makes it clear - If you change religions you are damned!!!. Now, this includes changing between one "one god" type of religion to another. Your parents, or others who care about you, are doing you a favour by stoning you to death if you reject whichever true faith they subscribe to.

That still does not mean that every Muslim will automatically put their children to death if they lose their "honour".

Every religion has its spectrum of fundamentalism.

There are Roman Catholics in Latin America who would probably disown or even kill their children for converting to Islam.

Tawny Port wrote:Note: stricktly speaking, Christians who violate Leviticus by wearing mixed fibers, eating shellfish or eating "cloven hoof" animals (pork or goat), or cutting their own forlocks or not being circumcised are damned and should be put to death. (Read your Bibles kids) Have a nice day - your Uncle Sparky

The New Testament renders Leviticus redundant.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Huh? I think? That whirry noise I hear every time I log on here and start to post is not because something is wrong with my computer?

That's Caffeine, petal.

Oh...I was wondering why its managed to get to ten in the morning here without me having any inclination to go to bed...figures.

For adults like us, there is no better criterion for when to go to bed, than "what do I have to do six hours from now?" Or four, or eight ... depending on the individual. Six hours does it for most people. More like eight hours for the long-term, but six will see you right for the next day and night.

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:
For adults like us, there is no better criterion for when to go to bed, than "what do I have to do six hours from now?" Or four, or eight ... depending on the individual. Six hours does it for most people. More like eight hours for the long-term, but six will see you right for the next day and night.

I've been having an average of twelve hours recently. That could be why I'm not tired.

United Russian State wrote:Send the girl back and see what happens, whats the worse that could happen?

In fact, the girl has been taken into custody of the state.

Don't trust the parents, don't trust the "refuge family." I'm OK with that, and she'll learn a lot (and probably have a lot of fun) in a teenage refuge.

This isn't the sort of situation which calls for foster parents. The kid is very nearly a legal adult: soon she can legally choose for herself where to live and who to consort with. She should be put in a refuge, with other teens and young adults who are "between homes." Hopefully, she'll meet up with others in a similar place in life, and co-operate with them to get a nice wacky share-house.

Throwing her to the concocted family of a church-group is not a good option. If she is danger from her father (an unsubstantiated claim, as I see it) then the time has come for her to move out of home. NOT to a cult. NOT under circumstances where she perceives her only other option to death, to be living with her Facebook saviour. It's time she moved to a children's, teen's, or women's shelter.

This is a huge example of the things a welfare state can offer, to vulnerable people. A well-funded welfare department (dedicated to the welfare of citizens and residents, ie relief from suffering; access to opportunity; a fair go!) is exactly the third-party which is needed here.

The girl's choices are not between death at the hands of her father, and an unknown fate "on the rebound" with some people she met on Facebook.

There is a third option. Welfare. Bring it on.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:
For adults like us, there is no better criterion for when to go to bed, than "what do I have to do six hours from now?" Or four, or eight ... depending on the individual. Six hours does it for most people. More like eight hours for the long-term, but six will see you right for the next day and night.

I've been having an average of twelve hours recently. That could be why I'm not tired.

Twelve hours a night makes me dumb. Even "on the rebound" from a series of four-hour nights.

Twelve hours sleep turns you into Winnie The Pooh. A bear of very little brain.

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:
For adults like us, there is no better criterion for when to go to bed, than "what do I have to do six hours from now?" Or four, or eight ... depending on the individual. Six hours does it for most people. More like eight hours for the long-term, but six will see you right for the next day and night.

I've been having an average of twelve hours recently. That could be why I'm not tired.

Twelve hours a night makes me dumb. Even "on the rebound" from a series of four-hour nights.

Twelve hours sleep turns you into Winnie The Pooh. A bear of very little brain.

For the sake of balance, I must point out that the aformentioned bear also enjoys an abundance of honey and friends. The glass is half full. If I'm not hallucinating that glass into existence...

North Suran wrote:

Redwulf wrote:

North Suran wrote:Doesn't Satanism involve worshipping a Fallen Angel who wishes to bring about the "paradise of pain" onto the world?

Levayan Satanism involves, essentially, worship of ones self.

So it's like Egoism with a Satanist slant, then?

Essentially, yes.

As a Christian myself she most definatly has a right to convert. As an American more so even because of religious rights. No one should be threatened with death because of their religion. I would strongly urge caution on the part of authorities concerning her parents. Death threats are common with converts from Islam and I would be very careful before putting her back in parental custody.Natoine

Natoine wrote:No one should be threatened with death because of their religion.

Why do you hate religious freedom ? Who are you to say I may not sacrifice my firstborn child to the supreme High Lord Of Chaos, may he devour your flesh ?

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Lucky Bicycle Works wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I've been having an average of twelve hours recently. That could be why I'm not tired.

Twelve hours a night makes me dumb. Even "on the rebound" from a series of four-hour nights.

Twelve hours sleep turns you into Winnie The Pooh. A bear of very little brain.

For the sake of balance, I must point out that the aformentioned bear also enjoys an abundance of honey and friends. The glass is half full. If I'm not hallucinating that glass into existence...

I think we understand each other. Bump, bump, bump, down the stairs in the morning.



It's the up the stairs in the evening, bump, bump, bump, which is doing my head in.

I'm not a fan of Christianity but honour killings are wrong and just as bad as murder.

There has already been a thread about this.

As the agnostic child of an ex-Catholic now Deist mother and a Muslim Father, I have to say those parents are tripping balls. Honor killing aren't a part of Islam, though the murder of apostates is part of very conservative understandings of Shariah. There are plenty of authorities that would argue that it is not applicable in any real life circumstance, especially outside of a Shariah state.

I say again: Tripping balls.

Soviet Taoistan wrote:As the agnostic child of an ex-Catholic now Deist mother and a Muslim Father, I have to say those parents are tripping balls. Honor killing aren't a part of Islam, though the murder of apostates is part of very conservative understandings of Shariah. There are plenty of authorities that would argue that it is not applicable in any real life circumstance, especially outside of a Shariah state.

I say again: Tripping balls.

There is very little evidence that they were going to perform an honour killing, beyond the testimony of their daughter - who was recently indoctrinated into a Christian cult - and "Well, they're Muslims, so it must be true!"

North Suran wrote:

Soviet Taoistan wrote:As the agnostic child of an ex-Catholic now Deist mother and a Muslim Father, I have to say those parents are tripping balls. Honor killing aren't a part of Islam, though the murder of apostates is part of very conservative understandings of Shariah. There are plenty of authorities that would argue that it is not applicable in any real life circumstance, especially outside of a Shariah state.

I say again: Tripping balls.

There is very little evidence that they were going to perform an honour killing, beyond the testimony of their daughter - who was recently indoctrinated into a Christian cult - and "Well, they're Muslims, so it must be true!"

Looking up a few more news stories, it seem rather hard to tell who is the party acting out. Could be either side. Some people are definitely thinking "Well, they're Muslims, so it must be true!" (see Megyn Kelly on FoxNews), but I wouldn't necessarily say the Global Revolution Church are nuts either.

This looks like it will get worse before it gets better.

Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! -- Malcolm Reynolds

let her come live with me she's kinda hot and i'll teach her all about the glories of atheism.

Same happens with Christian familes this is just needless mudslinging

Fson wrote:Same happens with Christian familes this is just needless mudslinging

On whose part? I mean "Christian cults" and "honour killing prone parents" are on two separate ends of the spectrum...

Fson wrote:Same happens with Christian familes this is just needless mudslinging

I'm not a radical Christian. I understand there's always the extreme end of the spectrum with religion, but I don't know of many (or any) Christians who kill their kids for converting to honor God.

It's a serious issue, the circumstances just happen to paint the Christian girl as the innocent one. I'd react the same way if it was the other way around.

Don't Islam and Christianity worship the same God?

If so, then....what's the big deal? She's still worshiping Allah, she's just also worshiping his son/prophet.

Wilgrove wrote:Don't Islam and Christianity worship the same God?

If so, then....what's the big deal? She's still worshiping Allah, she's just also worshiping his son/prophet.

If a Christian started worshiping Abraham...

Conserative Morality wrote:

Wilgrove wrote:Don't Islam and Christianity worship the same God?

If so, then....what's the big deal? She's still worshiping Allah, she's just also worshiping his son/prophet.

If a Christian started worshiping Abraham...

They'll have to watch out for the Zombie-Cyborg Corpse of John Wilkes Booth,

Maurepas wrote:They'll have to watch out for the Zombie-Cyborg Corpse of John Wilkes Booth,

Dumb Ideologies wrote:The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

I don't think that how it works....

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I'm not a fan of Christianity but honour killings are wrong and just as bad as murder.

*ahem* Umm...it is murder...