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The family is originally from Sri Lanka and emigrated in 2000 to seek medical help for Rifqa, who had lost sight in her right eye when she fell and struck a toy airplane on a couch at home.

North Suran wrote:

Anti-Social Darwinism wrote:Isn't it interesting, though, that most of the people here are ready to jump on the anti-Muslim bandwagon. A few Muslims have practiced "honor killings" (to great amounts of publicity) so it must follow that all Muslims practice "honor killings." And even the anti-religious folk around here have distinctly Christian bias (it's a horrible religion, but it's our horrible religion, as opposed to Islam, which is also a horrible religion, but it's their horrible religion). They'd rather believe what could be a hysterical, attention-craving teenager and what appears to be a Christian cult than what could be a caring, loving Muslim family who are distraught and unhappy about their daughter's seeming betrayal - not of their religion but of them.

It's very subtle racism, yet, but it's more due to the fact - as you said - that every time there is an honour killing, every media outlet instantly jumps onto it and tries to throw a blanket over the whole of Islam.

Maurepas wrote:If we'd just quit with religion in general, this sort of thing wouldnt be a problem...Its not like fictional concepts care all that much...

Wilgrove wrote:

Maurepas wrote:If we'd just quit with religion in general, this sort of thing wouldnt be a problem...Its not like fictional concepts care all that much...

Yea because it's not like we have other ways of separating ourselves or to try to make ourselves feel superior to another.

I hear this argument all the time. "If it wasn't for religion...blah blah blah." Does anyone actually believe this? Honestly, even if you got rid of Religion, people would just find something else and we'd be back to square one.

This argument phails.

Maurepas wrote:

Wilgrove wrote:

Maurepas wrote:If we'd just quit with religion in general, this sort of thing wouldnt be a problem...Its not like fictional concepts care all that much...

Yea because it's not like we have other ways of separating ourselves or to try to make ourselves feel superior to another.

I hear this argument all the time. "If it wasn't for religion...blah blah blah." Does anyone actually believe this? Honestly, even if you got rid of Religion, people would just find something else and we'd be back to square one.

This argument phails.

Oh, Im not saying we'd stop killing eachother, human nature and all that...

But, I dare say there'd be a reduction, especially in "Honor Killings" and the like...

Wilgrove wrote:
*looks at Protesters at Town Hall meeting calling for Obama's death because of what some fatass loudmouth said on a raido show.*

Riiiiggghhhhttt.....

If you take away religion, they'll just substitute Honor Killings with something else. Like other poster has said, it's more cultural than religious anyways.

Maurepas wrote:

Wilgrove wrote:
*looks at Protesters at Town Hall meeting calling for Obama's death because of what some fatass loudmouth said on a raido show.*

Riiiiggghhhhttt.....

If you take away religion, they'll just substitute Honor Killings with something else. Like other poster has said, it's more cultural than religious anyways.

True, doesnt mean that this couldnt be avoided if they just set aside such idiocies anyway,

Wilgrove wrote:

Maurepas wrote:

Wilgrove wrote:
*looks at Protesters at Town Hall meeting calling for Obama's death because of what some fatass loudmouth said on a raido show.*

Riiiiggghhhhttt.....

If you take away religion, they'll just substitute Honor Killings with something else. Like other poster has said, it's more cultural than religious anyways.

True, doesnt mean that this couldnt be avoided if they just set aside such idiocies anyway,

You have waayyy too much faith in humanity.

Parthenon wrote:Religion of peace.

Gauthier wrote:

Parthenon wrote:Religion of peace.

And after 5 pages, our first official Ebil Mozlemz Rant for this thread.

Sitspot wrote:Obviously if someone claims they have been threatened with death it requires a full investigation regardless of religion or reason. In this case the first priority must be to ensure the girl's safety and we really are in no position to draw any conclusions from the small amount of information we have.

Sitspot wrote:Something slightly puzzles me a little though, the girl and the media refer to 'honor killing'. I have usually heard that phrase used in situations where a woman rejects an arranged marriage, dresses in a way her family finds immodest or (more rarely) commits adultery. I have never heard an apostasy killing referred to as an honor killing. Does anyone know if the same phrase is usually used to cover everything?

Sitspot wrote:Also though I have heard of a few honor killings in the USA for the rejection of marriage , immodesty etc. I had believed that this was a cultural rather than purely religious thing. I don't recall hearing of an apostate killing in the US, does anyone know if one has ever occurred?

Jesuschristland wrote:

Sitspot wrote:Obviously if someone claims they have been threatened with death it requires a full investigation regardless of religion or reason. In this case the first priority must be to ensure the girl's safety and we really are in no position to draw any conclusions from the small amount of information we have.
Something slightly puzzles me a little though, the girl and the media refer to 'honor killing'. I have usually heard that phrase used in situations where a woman rejects an arranged marriage, dresses in a way her family finds immodest or (more rarely) commits adultery. I have never heard an apostasy killing referred to as an honor killing. Does anyone know if the same phrase is usually used to cover everything?
Also though I have heard of a few honor killings in the USA for the rejection of marriage , immodesty etc. I had believed that this was a cultural rather than purely religious thing. I don't recall hearing of an apostate killing in the US, does anyone know if one has ever occurred?

My favorite is the TV executive from Buffalo, NY who made a Muslim TV network. The purpose of the network was to broaden the minds of people by exposing them to the greater world of Islam and decrease the number of negative portrayals of Muslims. Then his wife had an affair. So he beheaded her.

Gravlen wrote:So your favourite example is a sad case that's most likely not an example of honour killings? Well, unless you count all fatal spousal abuse cases in the US as honour killings...

Remember that the guy was not particularly devout, had been divorced twice before, and may have suffered from psychiatric problems.

Krypton-Zod wrote:This is why I hate religion. Christianity (though mostly in the past) and islam (continueing to this day) are both extremely intolerant, supremacist and murderous.

I find no redeeming qualities in those 'religions'.

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:

Krypton-Zod wrote:This is why I hate religion. Christianity (though mostly in the past) and islam (continueing to this day) are both extremely intolerant, supremacist and murderous.

I find no redeeming qualities in those 'religions'.

They let us smugly make fun of others as being stupid for believing in them.

Rhodmhire wrote:<snip>
Apperantly the girl's family has gone many generations without even knowing of Jesus.

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:

Krypton-Zod wrote:This is why I hate religion. Christianity (though mostly in the past) and islam (continueing to this day) are both extremely intolerant, supremacist and murderous.

I find no redeeming qualities in those 'religions'.

They let us smugly make fun of others as being stupid for believing in them.

Classical Liberal wrote::palm: Idiots, I see them, walking around like regular people, and some don't even know they're idiots

“When my dad found out [about her conversion to Christianity], phone calls from the Muslim community started coming in with e-mails that confronted me.

“You guys don’t understand,” Rifqa said. “Islam is very different than you guys think. They have to kill me. My blood is now halal, which means that because I am now a Christian, I’m from a Muslim background, it’s an honor.

Gravlen wrote:

“When my dad found out [about her conversion to Christianity], phone calls from the Muslim community started coming in with e-mails that confronted me.

“You guys don’t understand,” Rifqa said. “Islam is very different than you guys think. They have to kill me. My blood is now halal, which means that because I am now a Christian, I’m from a Muslim background, it’s an honor.