Converted Christian Fears Death by Muslim Parents.

[Samatolian City-States]

The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

Aren't you worried that somewhere along the line, they'll just get tired and say "Fuck it, let's go for a beer," ?

[Big Jim P]

The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

Aren't you worried that somewhere along the line, they'll just get tired and say "Fuck it, let's go for a beer," ?

Muslims don't drink. Come to think of it, that would make me pretty damn militant to.

[Samatolian City-States]

The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

Aren't you worried that somewhere along the line, they'll just get tired and say "Fuck it, let's go for a beer," ?

Muslims don't drink. Come to think of it, that would make me pretty damn militant to.

Bummer. Can we incite some kind of protestant movement that would allow them beer privileges?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

Aren't you worried that somewhere along the line, they'll just get tired and say "Fuck it, let's go for a beer," ?

Muslims don't drink. Come to think of it, that would make me pretty damn militant to.

If any Muslim tires of killing and enters a public house for the purposes of consuming alcoholic beverages, additional points are added to the "shame" column, creating a new momentum towards honour killings that will keep the whole thing ticking along nicely.

[The Alma Mater]

If any Muslim tires of killing and enters a public house for the purposes of consuming alcoholic beverages, additional points are added to the "shame" column, creating a new momentum towards honour killings that will keep the whole thing ticking along nicely.

Sadly, they will then be distracted by Ramadan.

[Big Jim P]

Aren't you worried that somewhere along the line, they'll just get tired and say "Fuck it, let's go for a beer," ?

Muslims don't drink. Come to think of it, that would make me pretty damn militant to.

Bummer. Can we incite some kind of protestant movement that would allow them beer privileges?

Considering what some muslims get up to when sober, do we REALLY want to deal with them drunk?

[Samatolian City-States]

Muslims don't drink. Come to think of it, that would make me pretty damn militant to.

Bummer. Can we incite some kind of protestant movement that would allow them beer privileges?

Considering what some muslims get up to when sober, do we REALLY want to deal with them drunk?

Hmmm... marijuana, then?

[Big Jim P]

Aren't you worried that somewhere along the line, they'll just get tired and say "Fuck it, let's go for a beer," ?

Muslims don't drink. Come to think of it, that would make me pretty damn militant to.

If any Muslim tires of killing and enters a public house for the purposes of consuming alcoholic beverages, additional points are added to the "shame" column, creating a new momentum towards honour killings that will keep the whole thing ticking along nicely.

I think the 'Dumb" in you name is misleading. I like the way you think.

[Risottia]

Muslims don't drink.

You mean "muslims SHOULDN'T drink".
From what I see every Friday, when muslims get out of the nearby gym that serves as makeshift mosque, they jump into the nearest bars and order anything that is at least 10% vol. ethanol. Meh.

[Big Jim P]

Muslims don't drink.

You mean "muslims SHOULDN'T drink".
From what I see every Friday, when muslims get out of the nearby gym that serves as makeshift mosque, they jump into the nearest bars and order anything that is at least 10% vol. ethanol. Meh.

Point noted.

[Hamilay]

I can't bring myself to trust anything called "The Global Revolution Church", or anyone who would put themselves under their influence. I'm concerned she's being manipulated, and that the situation is being exploited by an array of groups only too happy to propagate the "Ebil Mozlem" stereotype. Is there any evidence besides this girl's statement that her parents have threatened her?

Agreed. It's possible that her parents are a danger to her, but at the moment none of the sources provided appear to be reliable or unbiased in the slightest.

[The Infinite Dunes]

Of course, but everyone is assuming that her parents are "teh ebil Muzlims" when this could all just be teen angst. We've all heard about those kids who've accused their parents of abuse, when all that's happened is that they've been grounded for good cause.

Maybe her parents are as bad as she claims, but maybe, just maybe, she's getting even with them because they told her she couldn't have or do something and she's the one with the problem.

All I want is a balanced approach.

I agree. But how would you even go about investigating these claims... I suppose you could go to her school and get character witnesses to see if she's one for melodrama. But in the end it's just her word against theirs. Doesn't really prove much either way.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I think the 'Dumb" in you name is misleading. I like the way you think.

Huh? I think? That whirry noise I hear every time I log on here and start to post is not because something is wrong with my computer?

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

No, from what I understand, that what the father feels that Islam demands of him.

You have quotes from the father ?

No, I read the OP. Maybe I should have said "It's what the daughter says her father feels that islam demands of him."

Or a certain married man, mr Blake Lorenz, who undertakes to speak for the underage runaway. This is a chap who met her on Facebook.

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

I think the 'Dumb" in you name is misleading. I like the way you think.

Huh? I think? That whirry noise I hear every time I log on here and start to post is not because something is wrong with my computer?

That's Caffeine, petal.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I think the 'Dumb" in you name is misleading. I like the way you think.

Huh? I think? That whirry noise I hear every time I log on here and start to post is not because something is wrong with my computer?

That's Caffeine, petal.

Oh...I was wondering why its managed to get to ten in the morning here without me having any inclination to go to bed...figures.

[Tawny Port]

Its funny really. If the average moderate "Christmas & Weddings" type Christian in the US, Canada, Britian etc. knew what kind of extreme Islamist 'democracies' our people were dieing for in Afghanistan & Iraq, absolutely no-one with half a brain would support those wars & the sham democracies they have propogated. Go to your library and read Blackwater an extensively research book by J Scahill about our complicity in the unjust invasion of Iraq. A spook (covert) friend of mine suggested it to me as a good read & it really opened my eyes. (Frankly, it scared the &**@ out of me, and, since the book was published in '07, most of the "speculative" stuff in it is now public domain, eg.- the governments involved have 'fessed up.)
- Uncle Sparky

[North Suran]

Is there any actual conclusive evidence that her parents threatened to carry out an honour killing?

For all we know, the girl's simply a run-away who used this as a convienent excuse to have herself put into foster care.

I know honour killings do occur, but we should not simply assume that the girl is telling the truth, nor should we assume that the parents would do an honour killing just because they are Muslims.

[United Russian State]

Send the girl back and see what happens, whats the worse that could happen?

[Anti-Social Darwinism]

Of course, but everyone is assuming that her parents are "teh ebil Muzlims" when this could all just be teen angst. We've all heard about those kids who've accused their parents of abuse, when all that's happened is that they've been grounded for good cause.

Maybe her parents are as bad as she claims, but maybe, just maybe, she's getting even with them because they told her she couldn't have or do something and she's the one with the problem.

All I want is a balanced approach.

I agree. But how would you even go about investigating these claims... I suppose you could go to her school and get character witnesses to see if she's one for melodrama. But in the end it's just her word against theirs. Doesn't really prove much either way.

Isn't it interesting, though, that most of the people here are ready to jump on the anti-Muslim bandwagon. A few Muslims have practiced "honor killings" (to great amounts of publicity) so it must follow that all Muslims practice "honor killings." And even the anti-religious folk around here have distinctly Christian bias (it's a horrible religion, but it's our horrible religion, as opposed to Islam, which is also a horrible religion, but it's their horrible religion). They'd rather believe what could be a hysterical, attention-craving teenager and what appears to be a Christian cult than what could be a caring, loving Muslim family who are distraught and unhappy about their daughter's seeming betrayal - not of their religion but of them.

[North Suran]

No, I read the OP. Maybe I should have said "It's what the daughter says her father feels that islam demands of him." Anyway, from what I read in the news, apparently some muslims feel that Islam demands they kill or maim family members (often daughters, almost always female) for "honor" Like my earlier post said, If I felt Satanism demanded that of me, I'd tell the church to go fuck itself. You might want to quit trying to obscure what I said.

Doesn't Satanism involve worshipping a Fallen Angel who wishes to bring about the "paradise of pain" onto the world?

[North Suran]

Isn't it interesting, though, that most of the people here are ready to jump on the anti-Muslim bandwagon. A few Muslims have practiced "honor killings" (to great amounts of publicity) so it must follow that all Muslims practice "honor killings." And even the anti-religious folk around here have distinctly Christian bias (it's a horrible religion, but it's our horrible religion, as opposed to Islam, which is also a horrible religion, but it's their horrible religion). They'd rather believe what could be a hysterical, attention-craving teenager and what appears to be a Christian cult than what could be a caring, loving Muslim family who are distraught and unhappy about their daughter's seeming betrayal - not of their religion but of them.

It's very subtle racism, yet, but it's more due to the fact - as you said - that every time there is an honour killing, every media outlet instantly jumps onto it and tries to throw a blanket over the whole of Islam.

[Redwulf]

No, I read the OP. Maybe I should have said "It's what the daughter says her father feels that islam demands of him." Anyway, from what I read in the news, apparently some muslims feel that Islam demands they kill or maim family members (often daughters, almost always female) for "honor" Like my earlier post said, If I felt Satanism demanded that of me, I'd tell the church to go fuck itself. You might want to quit trying to obscure what I said.

Doesn't Satanism involve worshipping a Fallen Angel who wishes to bring about the "paradise of pain" onto the world?

LaVeyan Satanism involves, essentially, worship of ones self.

[Tawny Port]

Islam 101: Muslims (brilliantly) adopted many of the texts of the other older monotheistic religions - Judism & Xianity. They have an Old Testiment, New Testiment and (this is the brilliant part) a Final Testiment. (no Penultiment there!!!) Levidicus (an outmoded patriarchal piece of doodoo in my humble opinion) which is common to all 3, makes it clear - If you change religions you are damned!!!. Now, this includes changing between one "one god" type of religion to another. Your parents, or others who care about you, are doing you a favour by stoning you to death if you reject whichever true faith they subscribe to. Note: stricktly speaking, Christians who violate Leviticus by wearing mixed fibers, eating shellfish or eating "cloven hoof" animals (pork or goat), or cutting their own forlocks or not being circumcised are damned and should be put to death. (Read your Bibles kids) Have a nice day - your Uncle Sparky

[North Suran]

Doesn't Satanism involve worshipping a Fallen Angel who wishes to bring about the "paradise of pain" onto the world?

Levayan Satanism involves, essentially, worship of ones self.

So it's like Egoism with a Satanist slant, then?