Converted Christian Fears Death by Muslim Parents.

[Rhodmhire]

I have HORRIBLE and OTHER. I am religious, but I do consider what her parents are doing is punishable for jail time.

Sorry I can't think of all the possible options.

Thanks for at least commenting about it, instead of whining like that which has taken place many...many...many times in my forum topics.

And I agree.

[Veblenia]

I can't bring myself to trust anything called "The Global Revolution Church", or anyone who would put themselves under their influence. I'm concerned she's being manipulated, and that the situation is being exploited by an array of groups only too happy to propagate the "Ebil Mozlem" stereotype. Is there any evidence besides this girl's statement that her parents have threatened her?

[Kantria]

Of course, but everyone is assuming that her parents are "teh ebil Muzlims" when this could all just be teen angst. We've all heard about those kids who've accused their parents of abuse, when all that's happened is that they've been grounded for good cause.

Well, I was mostly responding to the OP's own questions about this sort of thing in general. I stand by 'em.

[Tunizcha]

Anything regarding insanity with religion just makes me . I feel for the girl.

[Natapoc]

Please hold judgment until all the facts are clear. Her parents are Muslim and her father claims that no such thing was ever said and her parents feel that she has been brainwashed by a cult. Her parents claim they fear for her safety as she has run away to Florida to join a church after being contacted by them on face book.

I feel that regardless of the details of who said what she should be able to live wherever she wants and do whatever she wants even if she is with a cult. Whatever relationship she wants to have with her parents should be her choice and only her choice. I also feel that all her claims should be investigated and she should be under protection just in case.

But please don't rush to condemn a family just from hearing one side of the story. Not until you know more.

[Natapoc]

Just in case anyone wants to hear the story in the words of the people involved.

The girls story totally from her perspective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0P5IaIE ... re=channel

A slightly more objective story on the news which leans to the girls side but also includes some from the father:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-oyNF0aaFk

Just fyi, these videos are on a youtube channel that is heavily anti Islam and pro christian. They probably have their own reasons for posting this... I in no way endorse or approve of this channel.

[Ravea]

As a converted Muslim, I feared that my parents would disown me, which my mom at first seemed keen on doing.

Anyways, Honor Killings completely disgust me. Rifqa should certainly not be anywhere near her parents, for fear of her life. I'm glad she's taking a stand for herself, and she has the right to be whatever she wants to be.

[Risottia]

Rifqa Bary was threatened by her Muslim father with an "honor killing." Apperantly the girl's family has gone many generations without even knowing of Jesus. She is apperantly the first to convert, resulting in the killing being "honorable."

So, do you think she needs to go back to her parents? Do you think it's just following religious code? [/quote]

1."Many generations without even knowing of Jesus". This I call bullshit - as muslims, iirc, see Jesus, or "Isa" as he's called in the Quran, as a prophet.

2.Needs to go back to her parents? No. If she's been threatened, clearly not.

3.Just following religious code? And who gives a fuck about religious codes? LAW > RELIGION.

[Sitspot]

Obviously if someone claims they have been threatened with death it requires a full investigation regardless of religion or reason. In this case the first priority must be to ensure the girl's safety and we really are in no position to draw any conclusions from the small amount of information we have.
Something slightly puzzles me a little though, the girl and the media refer to 'honor killing'. I have usually heard that phrase used in situations where a woman rejects an arranged marriage, dresses in a way her family finds immodest or (more rarely) commits adultery. I have never heard an apostasy killing referred to as an honor killing. Does anyone know if the same phrase is usually used to cover everything?
Also though I have heard of a few honor killings in the USA for the rejection of marriage , immodesty etc. I had believed that this was a cultural rather than purely religious thing. I don't recall hearing of an apostate killing in the US, does anyone know if one has ever occurred?

[Tunizcha]

This reminds me of that one kid that died of very curable/treatable cancer because his parents were some kind of American Indian religion that believed that they could heal him through herbal means. He had a 95% chance of recovery if he went through treatment, and a 90% chance of death otherwise.

This also reminds me of when one of my dear friends died because her father prayed instead of calling an ambulance when she went into cardiac arrest.

[Jig A Bootia]

People who take religion this seriously need to be put down like rabid dogs. They are a threat to humanity.

[Kantria]

People who take religion this seriously need to be put down like rabid dogs. They are a threat to humanity.

No.

[Jesuschristland]

Obviously if someone claims they have been threatened with death it requires a full investigation regardless of religion or reason. In this case the first priority must be to ensure the girl's safety and we really are in no position to draw any conclusions from the small amount of information we have.
Something slightly puzzles me a little though, the girl and the media refer to 'honor killing'. I have usually heard that phrase used in situations where a woman rejects an arranged marriage, dresses in a way her family finds immodest or (more rarely) commits adultery. I have never heard an apostasy killing referred to as an honor killing. Does anyone know if the same phrase is usually used to cover everything?
Also though I have heard of a few honor killings in the USA for the rejection of marriage , immodesty etc. I had believed that this was a cultural rather than purely religious thing. I don't recall hearing of an apostate killing in the US, does anyone know if one has ever occurred?

My favorite is the TV executive from Buffalo, NY who made a Muslim TV network. The purpose of the network was to broaden the minds of people by exposing them to the greater world of Islam and decrease the number of negative portrayals of Muslims. Then his wife had an affair. So he beheaded her.

An honor killing is essentially a customary killing, so yes it can be used for pretty much any violation of tradition, and honor killings because of violating Islamic teachings are not unheard of - in 2007 there were up to 79 in Basra just for violating Islamic teachings (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/ ... topstories). I may not be fully versed in Islam, but, I would think that stating Jesus was pinnacle of God's message to humans is a vagrant violation, and I can't imagine the Global Revolution Christ Church or whatever it is called would hesitate to call the Prophet a liar.

[Jig A Bootia]

People who take religion this seriously need to be put down like rabid dogs. They are a threat to humanity.

No.

Why not? Some people apparently have more consideration for religion than they do for human life, and should be treated as a threat. The best way to eliminate a threat is to destroy the threat.

[Kantria]

Why not? Some people apparently have more consideration for religion than they do for human life, and should be treated as a threat. The best way to eliminate a threat is to destroy the threat.

No, that would only be the quickest way. You claim you have more consideration for human life than these people supposedly do, but you compare them to rabid dogs. Dehumanizing people sure makes killing them easier, doesn't it? How do you think religious types rationalize their murder of apostates, infidels and heretics?

[Tunizcha]

People who take religion this seriously need to be put down like rabid dogs. They are a threat to humanity.

No.

Why not? Some people apparently have more consideration for religion than they do for human life, and should be treated as a threat. The best way to eliminate a threat is to destroy the threat.

Even though I sort of agree, I think you're being a little too harsh. Maybe strict secularism of government and education. Don't get me wrong, I believe that religion is a detriment to human progression, but I don't believe in restricting anyone's right to practice whatever they want. We fight religiosity on the level of the mind, not the body.

[Allbeama]

Just a little question...why "should" she have converted? that option seems to say that her parents are WRONG to be Muslims and she is somehow RIGHT to make this decision, when it seems to me if she chose either of her own free will neither is right or wrong except insofar as what is appropriate for her as an individual. Hence my other opinion.

[Big Jim P]

You know, if I felt that Satanism demanded the death of my child, for ANY reason, I'd tell the church to go fuck themselves.

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

You know, if I felt that Satanism demanded the death of my child, for ANY reason, I'd tell the church to go fuck themselves.

Is that something the Global Revolution Church do ?

[Big Jim P]

You know, if I felt that Satanism demanded the death of my child, for ANY reason, I'd tell the church to go fuck themselves.

Is that something the Global Revolution Church do ?

No, from what I understand, that what the father feels that Islam demands of him.

[Samatolian City-States]

People who take religion this seriously need to be put down like rabid dogs. They are a threat to humanity.

No need for fascism. We're good as-is, thanks.

[Lucky Bicycle Works]

You know, if I felt that Satanism demanded the death of my child, for ANY reason, I'd tell the church to go fuck themselves.

Is that something the Global Revolution Church do ?

No, from what I understand, that what the father feels that Islam demands of him.

You have quotes from the father ?

[Big Jim P]

Is that something the Global Revolution Church do ?

No, from what I understand, that what the father feels that Islam demands of him.

You have quotes from the father ?

No, I read the OP. Maybe I should have said "It's what the daughter says her father feels that islam demands of him." Anyway, from what I read in the news, apparently some muslims feel that Islam demands they kill or maim family members (often daughters, almost always female) for "honor" Like my earlier post said, If I felt Satanism demanded that of me, I'd tell the church to go fuck itself. You might want to quit trying to obscure what I said.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

[Big Jim P]

The parents should be forced to convert to Christianity. In the ultimate irony, they will then have to be killed by their own close family, who will then be killed by other members of the more distant family, ashamed at their association with Muslims who converted. This will start an unstoppable chain reaction that will eliminate Islam from the world, essentially solving the problem.

And maybe just thin out the xtian herd a bit as well. We may be on to something here.