Is God Evil?

[Huntertopia]

No, God is not evil.

Then why is there so much evil in the world?

The work of Satan and mankind himself. God doesn't interfere because if he did, that WOULD be tyrannical. He gives us free will, to do good and bad.

[Ceannairceach]

No, it mustn't. Morality is simple; If it harms someone who wasn't harming you, it is wrong. For example, murder and rape are wrong. The reason is because it violates people who weren't harming the attacker.

So, me shooting a man who was attempting to shoot my kid is wrong because that man wasn't harming me?

But he was harming you, as you loved and cared for the person he was about to physically harm, mentally harming you. This said, I should have pointed out "defense of others" isn't inherently morally wrong, or morally right for that matter.

[Keronians]

If you could be in a state in which you didn't possess the knowledge of the Forbidden Fruit (and didn't commit any sin either), then I'm sure you'd be sinless as well.

When I was a baby I didn't know what my name was, what my parents' names are, not even what I was, you think I would have known something about the Forbidden Fruit?

You probably would have the tendency to sin even as a baby.

[Farnhamia]

Then why is there so much evil in the world?

The work of Satan and mankind himself. God doesn't interfere because if he did, that WOULD be tyrannical. He gives us free will, to do good and bad.

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

[Keronians]

The work of Satan and mankind himself. God doesn't interfere because if he did, that WOULD be tyrannical. He gives us free will, to do good and bad.

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

Jesus persuaded Him not to.

[Genivaria]

The work of Satan and mankind himself. God doesn't interfere because if he did, that WOULD be tyrannical. He gives us free will, to do good and bad.

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

No he got fired.

[Samuraikoku]

You probably would have the tendency to sin even as a baby.

That's the greatest compliment I ever had in my life.

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

His calendar is stuck on "Sunday".

[Vitius]

In my honest belief (not trying to intrude on those who do not share my views or atheists):

Evil is allowed by God and is created by man. For example, to Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian man whom killed dozens in a Norway terrorist attack just recently, his actions may be heroic. Hitler may have thought he was ridding the world of evil by killing Jews, homosexuals, the mentally-challenged, and others whom he thought were 'inpure'. God allows evil because without it, he would have to make us all mindless beings.

it doesn't matter what the individual thinks; morality is not relative, and as such, their opinions on how the world should be does not negate the fact they they were wrong.

Who determines what is right or wrong?

[Huntertopia]

The work of Satan and mankind himself. God doesn't interfere because if he did, that WOULD be tyrannical. He gives us free will, to do good and bad.

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

When the earth and humanity gets started, it needed something to guide it, show them how to live. It's similar to riding a bike. You don't just give some kid who never rode a bike in his life a Tour de France bike and tell him to ride a mile, do you?

[Ceannairceach]

it doesn't matter what the individual thinks; morality is not relative, and as such, their opinions on how the world should be does not negate the fact they they were wrong.

Who determines what is right or wrong?

As I understand it, how it affects others. Murder and rape, as I pointed out, are wrong because it inflicts damage unwillingly upon others for no good reason.

[Farnhamia]

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

Jesus persuaded Him not to.

Jesus is just one of his other personalities. *shrug* I guess that's possible. Still, the whole "everybody is a sinner" line is just that, a line. I'm not. Although, there was that one girl back in Paris in the 1840s who thought I was very, very sinful.

[Samuraikoku]

When the earth and humanity gets started, it needed something to guide it, show them how to live. It's similar to riding a bike. You don't just give some kid who never rode a bike in his life a Tour de France bike and tell him to ride a mile, do you?

And here we are, 2000 years later, still not knowing how to live. You'd think we would have learned the lesson, right? So he gave up.

[Keronians]

Who determines what is right or wrong?

As I understand it, how it affects others. Murder and rape, as I pointed out, are wrong because it inflicts damage unwillingly upon others for no good reason.

Precisely.

Why is yours the objective morality?

[Keronians]

When the earth and humanity gets started, it needed something to guide it, show them how to live. It's similar to riding a bike. You don't just give some kid who never rode a bike in his life a Tour de France bike and tell him to ride a mile, do you?

And here we are, 2000 years later, still not knowing how to live. You'd think we would have learned the lesson, right? So he gave up.

Not so much give up as give it one last try (Jesus), and then tell us to fuck off and do whatever we want to.

[Ceannairceach]

As I understand it, how it affects others. Murder and rape, as I pointed out, are wrong because it inflicts damage unwillingly upon others for no good reason.

Precisely.

Why is yours the objective morality?

I didn't say it was mine.

[Farnhamia]

He used to interfere. He used to interfere all the time. What, he got tired?

When the earth and humanity gets started, it needed something to guide it, show them how to live. It's similar to riding a bike. You don't just give some kid who never rode a bike in his life a Tour de France bike and tell him to ride a mile, do you?

Except I never heard of Yahweh until I was living in Girsu and some Akkadians came in to my temple and talked about him. By then I was, oh, 11,000 or 12,000 years old. So, no, we got on fabulously before he decided he had created the universe.

[Talstonia]

This may seem a little confusing, but wouldn't you have to acknoledge something is real to deny it?

[Huntertopia]

When the earth and humanity gets started, it needed something to guide it, show them how to live. It's similar to riding a bike. You don't just give some kid who never rode a bike in his life a Tour de France bike and tell him to ride a mile, do you?

And here we are, 2000 years later, still not knowing how to live. You'd think we would have learned the lesson, right? So he gave up.

God doesn't give up on anyone. We know how to live, we have the Bible to tell us, but some are so ignorant to not take the Word into their hearts.

[Soxastan]

If god is all powerful, then why doesn't he create world peace?

[Samuraikoku]

God doesn't give up on anyone. We know how to live, we have the Bible to tell us, but some are so ignorant to not take the Word into their hearts.

Are you threatening me?

Anyway, that doesn't explain why God doesn't interfere anymore.

[Ceannairceach]

And here we are, 2000 years later, still not knowing how to live. You'd think we would have learned the lesson, right? So he gave up.

God doesn't give up on anyone. We know how to live, we have the Bible to tell us, but some are so ignorant to not take the Word into their hearts.

I don't believe "The Word" is holy or even a good opinion base. Why should i "take it into my heart"?

[Keronians]

If god is all powerful, then why doesn't he create world peace?

The answer to the third question, is simply that He is willing to prevent evil, but not willing to make mankind and all other forms of life simple puppets as a consequence.

In evaluation, He has concluded that giving mankind free will, and thus the ability to determine its own right's and wrong's, and allow it to progress free from His constant string-pulling, is better than eliminating evil.

[Suidwes-Afrika]

I was reading http://atheistbiblestudy.blogspot.com/2004/07/is-god-evil.html just now, a great blog(in my opinion), that has a good argument for why God is evil. I've never read the Bible myself, so can't gather evidence on my own, but the blog post does an effective job. So, NSers, do you agree that God is evil?

If there is a God, He is more apathetic than evil.

[Keronians]

God doesn't give up on anyone. We know how to live, we have the Bible to tell us, but some are so ignorant to not take the Word into their hearts.

I don't believe "The Word" is holy or even a good opinion base. Why should i "take it into my heart"?

Exactly.

You should be taking the Bhagavad Gita into your heart.

[Genivaria]

If god is all powerful, then why doesn't he create world peace?

The answer to the third question, is simply that He is willing to prevent evil, but not willing to make mankind and all other forms of life simple puppets as a consequence.

Is there free will in heaven?