Should it be illegal to deny the Holocaust?

[Arkinesia]

A) I already did and you simply shoved it aside by saying "no u."
B) Do you think? Apparently you've never been outside before.
C) Where did I say it constituted fact on its own accord? Oh wait, nowhere. So now you're just pulling things out of your ass. The reason I watched the video was because the idea of something that, based on forensic evidence (i.e. the scientific method, not guesswork), could help me accurately visualize how things happened on that day, was interesting. Because I like to expand my worldview instead of contract it.

A)No, you simply said "No, you're wrong. The end."
B) You must be a real douche or completely daft to think everyone is an arse
C)read your own examples a few of your posts back. I countered one and your denying that is not a logical opinion.

A) No, I provided multiple examples of idiots on YouTube, and you shuffed it off as if they barely existed. Stop trying to pin that on me.
B) Oh look, "no u" again.
C) Of course it's not a logical opinion, because the sheer amount of confirmation bias you are putting into your theory would make a high school science student burst into tears. It would drive a "herpderp bible said so" creationist into a psychotic rage. You are simply denying my reasons for watching the video to fit your bias. It's not rational.

[Apollonesia]

Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, yes.

Usually, Holocaust denial = antisemitism. However, Mr. Ahmadinejad isn't an antisemite (just vehemently anti-Israel)... which means that he's simply an idiot.

You know, it's funny, because it seems like all the 9/11 truthers I know are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or both.

I wonder if there's a connection.

Ah, you mean the crackheads and anarchists who believe the US government/Jews/aliens were responsible? Feh.

What's your point?

[Arkinesia]

You know, it's funny, because it seems like all the 9/11 truthers I know are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or both.

I wonder if there's a connection.

Ah, you mean the crackheads and anarchists who believe the US government/Jews/aliens were responsible? Feh.

What's your point?

I mean I wonder if there's some link between antisemitism and borderline stupidity.

[The unbreakable will]

A)No, you simply said "No, you're wrong. The end."
B) You must be a real douche or completely daft to think everyone is an arse
C)read your own examples a few of your posts back. I countered one and your denying that is not a logical opinion.

A) No, I provided multiple examples of idiots on YouTube, and you shuffed it off as if they barely existed. Stop trying to pin that on me.
B) Oh look, "no u" again.
C) Of course it's not a logical opinion, because the sheer amount of confirmation bias you are putting into your theory would make a high school science student burst into tears. It would drive a "herpderp bible said so" creationist into a psychotic rage. You are simply denying my reasons for watching the video to fit your bias. It's not rational.

A)You provided several extreme cases, not examples. I could look through your posts and probably find a few similar cases
B) Not everyone is an asshole mate, though you are acting alot like one
C) It doesnt matter why you were watching it. If it was about a simulation there is nothing wrong with saying a simulation isnt exact. There is no way to be 100% sure unless you had someone watching every square milimeter as it happened

[Derpusherpus]

Of course it shouldn't be illegal. Wtf?
If you ever want to halt the game on a German Counter-Strike or Team Fortress server, spray the swastika. The Germans will go apeshit.

[Arkinesia]

A)You provided several extreme cases, not examples. I could look through your posts and probably find a few similar cases

Those are not extreme examples in my experience.

B) Not everyone is an asshole mate, though you are acting alot like one

What I'm reading here is this:

You're just upset that I'm ruining your points' collective shit.

C) It doesnt matter why you were watching it. If it was about a simulation there is nothing wrong with saying a simulation isnt exact. There is no way to be 100% sure unless you had someone watching every square milimeter as it happened

But at that point you're just delving into pathetic truther semantics. No, ignore the scientific method, THERE WERENT 130751858317513 DIFFERENT EYEWITNESSES!!!!1111oneone!!1!!

Sure, the scientific method isn't 100% super amazingly infallible, but it works pretty darn well.

[Rhodmhire]

Absolutely not. How many people are denying it anyways, ten?

More people probably deny that the earth is an oblate spheroid. More people probably deny that the earth is >6,000-10,000 years old.

Hilariously... there are more historians that deny the Holocaust than Geologists that say the earth is less than 6,000 years old.

That is hilarious.

But I was talking about your run-of-the-mill commoners, not just the historians and scientists.

[Greater Cabinda]

Of course it shouldn't be illegal. Wtf?
If you ever want to halt the game on a German Counter-Strike or Team Fortress server, spray the swastika. The Germans will go apeshit.

Do you troll everywhere?

[The unbreakable will]

A)You provided several extreme cases, not examples. I could look through your posts and probably find a few similar cases

Those are not extreme examples in my experience.

B) Not everyone is an asshole mate, though you are acting alot like one

What I'm reading here is this:

You're just upset that I'm ruining your points' collective shit.

C) It doesnt matter why you were watching it. If it was about a simulation there is nothing wrong with saying a simulation isnt exact. There is no way to be 100% sure unless you had someone watching every square milimeter as it happened

But at that point you're just delving into pathetic truther semantics. No, ignore the scientific method, THERE WERENT 130751858317513 DIFFERENT EYEWITNESSES!!!!1111oneone!!1!!

Sure, the scientific method isn't 100% super amazingly infallible, but it works pretty darn well.

A)You talk about science yet you rely solely on your own experiences, your more prejudiced then a nazi
B)You continue to apply insults without providing a counter example.
C) You admitted the scientific method isnt 100% accurate, so there point has reason. If everyone went with the common flow we would still be living in caves and hunting with sticks!

[Xephyrica]

EPIC FLAME WARS!!!

But seriously, if you two are going to debate the finer points of Youtube commentators' intellect, all supporting evidence being anecdotal and not statistical (or otherwise concrete and provable) then take the discussion somewhere else.

On topic, I agree that Holocaust denial is completely stupid, but hey, millions if not billions of people deny science on a reguler basis (the Earth is more than 6,000 years old, the entire field of astrology, etc.) but we don't ban those ideas.

[Apollonesia]

Of course it shouldn't be illegal. Wtf?
If you ever want to halt the game on a German Counter-Strike or Team Fortress server, spray the swastika. The Germans will go apeshit.

Makes me happy to know that Germans dislike their history so much.

[Arkinesia]

A)You talk about science yet you rely solely on your own experiences, your more prejudiced then a nazi

Part of the scientific method is in fact empirical. Essentially meaning derived from experiences. So no.

B)You continue to apply insults without providing a counter example.

I ALREADY DID. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?

C) You admitted the scientific method isnt 100% accurate, so there point has reason. If everyone went with the common flow we would still be living in caves and hunting with sticks!

No it does not. Just because something is not 100% accurate does not mean the opposition is right, just as because the theory of macroevolution has holes does not make creationism right, just because chemistry doesn't explain everything doesn't mean alchemy makes sense, etc. etc. You're making shit up at this point. Go to a philosophy class or a science class, learn the empirical and scientific methods, and then come back to this thread. You don't know what the hell you're even trying to say at this point.

[The unbreakable will]

EPIC FLAME WARS!!!

But seriously, if you two are going to debate the finer points of Youtube commentators' intellect, all supporting evidence being anecdotal and not statistical (or otherwise concrete and provable) then take the discussion somewhere else.

On topic, I agree that Holocaust denial is completely stupid, but hey, millions if not billions of people deny science on a reguler basis (the Earth is more than 6,000 years old, the placebo effect, etc.)

he already went to another thread and called me a moron there, this is the only place he still is where i can fight back against his insults

[Episarta]

EPIC FLAME WARS!!!

But seriously, if you two are going to debate the finer points of Youtube commentators' intellect, all supporting evidence being anecdotal and not statistical (or otherwise concrete and provable) then take the discussion somewhere else.

On topic, I agree that Holocaust denial is completely stupid, but hey, millions if not billions of people deny science on a reguler basis (the Earth is more than 6,000 years old, the placebo effect, etc.)

[Arkinesia]

EPIC FLAME WARS!!!

But seriously, if you two are going to debate the finer points of Youtube commentators' intellect, all supporting evidence being anecdotal and not statistical (or otherwise concrete and provable) then take the discussion somewhere else.

On topic, I agree that Holocaust denial is completely stupid, but hey, millions if not billions of people deny science on a reguler basis (the Earth is more than 6,000 years old, the placebo effect, etc.)

he already went to another thread and called me a moron there, this is the only place he still is where i can fight back against his insults

Oh, I'm calling you a moron in another thread? Quote and link it.

I DOUBLE-DOG DARE YOU.

[The unbreakable will]

A)You talk about science yet you rely solely on your own experiences, your more prejudiced then a nazi

Part of the scientific method is in fact empirical. Essentially meaning derived from experiences. So no.

B)You continue to apply insults without providing a counter example.

I ALREADY DID. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?

C) You admitted the scientific method isnt 100% accurate, so there point has reason. If everyone went with the common flow we would still be living in caves and hunting with sticks!

No it does not. Just because something is not 100% accurate does not mean the opposition is right, just as because the theory of macroevolution has holes does not make creationism right, just because chemistry doesn't explain everything doesn't mean alchemy makes sense, etc. etc. You're making shit up at this point. Go to a philosophy class or a science class, learn the empirical and scientific methods, and then come back to this thread. You don't know what the hell you're even trying to say at this point.

A) it is also tested by many others before it is believed by anyone, get a few hundred people to say the same or it has no proof
B) post it again instead of simply yelling that you already did.
C) It doesnt mean that they are right and it doesnt mean that they are wrong. They have a chance at being right which means there opinion has a possibility just as your does. They said and had evidence that man would never fly and now we have planes and space shuttles.

[The unbreakable will]

he already went to another thread and called me a moron there, this is the only place he still is where i can fight back against his insults

Oh, I'm calling you a moron in another thread? Quote and link it.

I DOUBLE-DOG DARE YOU.

go to the "what did you learn today" thread, its your latest post on there.

[Arkinesia]

A) it is also tested by many others before it is believed by anyone, get a few hundred people to say the same or it has no proof

A few hundred people? How about, oh, I don't know, the entire scientific community. Every scientist on Earth a good start? Okay. And if you need informative links, here's one right here.

B) post it again instead of simply yelling that you already did.

Read the posts yourself. Yeesh. Now you're making no sense and lazy. A two-for-one deal!

C) It doesnt mean that they are right and it doesnt mean that they are wrong. They have a chance at being right which means there opinion has a possibility just as your does. They said and had evidence that man would never fly and now we have planes and space shuttles.

Yeah and then the scientific method (who knew!) found evidence that man could fly with power and now we fly.

Look kiddo, you're going to lose this argument, just back out now.

[The unbreakable will]

A) it is also tested by many others before it is believed by anyone, get a few hundred people to say the same or it has no proof

A few hundred people? How about, oh, I don't know, the entire scientific community. Every scientist on Earth a good start? Okay. And if you need informative links, here's one right here.

B) post it again instead of simply yelling that you already did.

Read the posts yourself. Yeesh. Now you're making no sense and lazy. A two-for-one deal!

C) It doesnt mean that they are right and it doesnt mean that they are wrong. They have a chance at being right which means there opinion has a possibility just as your does. They said and had evidence that man would never fly and now we have planes and space shuttles.

Yeah and then the scientific method (who knew!) found evidence that man could fly with power and now we fly.

Look kiddo, you're going to lose this argument, just back out now.

A)wikipedia, the worlds most reliable source
B) your not reposting it because you dont have it.
C) I salute your ability to turn 180 degrees, now please turn around again or admit that i am right.

[The unbreakable will]

ps, can a mod please ban this kid, im sure he broke at least a few of the rules. I dont mind if you lock my account as well, the sacrifice would be worth it.

[Ifreann]

I don't think it should be illegal. There should be, however, government funded crowds, the purpose of which are to publicly mock any who do deny the Holocaust.

[Arkinesia]

A)wikipedia, the worlds most reliable source

In recent months they have gotten very good about quality control. Furthermore this isn't a bloody thesis paper, it's an internet forum. You get what you pay for. Wikipedia is perfectly serviceable and the article is well sourced. If it's not good enough for you, stop trying to drive your 'points' home. I present a source, and you laugh in my face for no good reason. If you won't read my sources, it's your own goddamn fault that I get 'upset' (in your opinion) at you over this. Read the sources or quit replying. Simple choice.

B) your not reposting it because you dont have it.

I can get it, but you're a human, right? Right? You can reach the keyboard and go back like two pages. Right?

C) I salute your ability to turn 180 degrees, now please turn around again or admit that i am right.

Oh, I'm the asshole. Take a look in the mirror, mate.

[Derpusherpus]

Makes me happy to know that Germans dislike their history so much.

Swastikas are banned in Germany.

[Apollonesia]

ps, can a mod please ban this kid, im sure he broke at least a few of the rules. I dont mind if you lock my account as well, the sacrifice would be worth it.

You're ridiculous.

[The unbreakable will]

A)wikipedia, the worlds most reliable source

In recent months they have gotten very good about quality control. Furthermore this isn't a bloody thesis paper, it's an internet forum. You get what you pay for. Wikipedia is perfectly serviceable and the article is well sourced. If it's not good enough for you, stop trying to drive your 'points' home. I present a source, and you laugh in my face for no good reason. If you won't read my sources, it's your own goddamn fault that I get 'upset' (in your opinion) at you over this. Read the sources or quit replying. Simple choice.

B) your not reposting it because you dont have it.

I can get it, but you're a human, right? Right? You can reach the keyboard and go back like two pages. Right?

C) I salute your ability to turn 180 degrees, now please turn around again or admit that i am right.

Oh, I'm the asshole. Take a look in the mirror, mate.

A) Your right, this is a forum. And if it is as "intellectual" as you say, then by all rights i have no reason to trust a word of wikipedia. Watch, i can go on right now and make it say "butterflies are giant bloodsucking demons"
B)I have, and i am yet to see the point you mentioned.
C) Now you are doing an obvious "no u"