Should it be illegal to deny the Holocaust?

[Greater Cabinda]

Then don't be a YouTube commenter. What kind of worthwhile person spends their time commenting on YouTube videos? Oh, that's right, none of them.

Also I checked GT and edited my post accordingly.


I think you need to look up the word logic because I don't think it means what you think it means.

dude, your on a forum right now commenting on how much you hate youtube commentors. There isnt all that big of a difference

Yeah, there is.

1. We're all Grammar Nazis. Don't spell right? Prepare to be made fun of.
2. We demand sources regularily. Don't say shit you can't prove.
3. We have mods that prevent flame wars. YouTube doesn't have that.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

Are you implying that America somehow has a Neo-Nazi problem? Because we definitely don't.

No, I'm implying that Neo-Nazi problems preclude holocaust denial laws.

Not really. When you force something underground, it tends to fester.

[Greater Cabinda]

No, I'm implying that Neo-Nazi problems preclude holocaust denial laws.

Not really. When you force something underground, it tends to fester.

You have experience with this, I presume?

[Voerdeland]

The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

I don't think so. Actually, no European country has a "major neo-Nazi problem".

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

I don't think so. Actually, no European country has a "major neo-Nazi problem".

Minus a lot of Western Europe. France and Germany spring to mind. And Sweden, but I can't remember 100% if they have denial laws or not.

[Sremski okrug]

People have the right to share their opinions however the holocaust is a stated fact, denying it happened is just being plain moronic and offensive to the millions that were effected.

It should be illegally and the population should continued to be educated about the horrors of it.

[Meryuma]

Holocaust denial sucks, sure. But thoughtcrime laws suck, too.

The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

I don't think so. Actually, no European country has a "major neo-Nazi problem".

Russia does, ironically enough.

[Arkinesia]

Yes there is.

There are actually intelligent people posting on forums.

you obviously havent read comments on many youtube videos. If the video is a joke then the comments are a joke. The same can be said for NS.

Let's see.

On a video showing a simulation of what happened to one of the WTC towers on 9/11, all the commenters are saying that Purdue University's computer science and civil engineering people are "government shills" and "Illuminati shills." This is a serious video but nobody seems to want to prove how the simulation is wrong. Other commenters said "this is just a cartoon, you can't take this seriously."

On a video of a Ford Mustang revving up, "the Camaro is wayyyy better!" No, it's not, and you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise. The Mustang is faster, brakes quicker, costs less, gets better gas mileage, and has a better warranty. It is in every sense of the word a superior automobile. It's not even a comparison test. IT'S A MUSTANG REVVING ITS ENGINE. THE VIDEO IS STRICTLY FOR ENJOYMENT. IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEN DON'T COMMENT.

Hmm…well there was also a video from TopGear about them destroying (or rather, trying to destroy) a Toyota Hilux and the commenters were talking about how Jeremy Clarkson was "gay" or "a faggot."

No. YouTube commenters, as a rule, are idiots.

[Apollonesia]

The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

I don't think so. Actually, no European country has a "major neo-Nazi problem".

There is no one country with a neo-Nazi problem. They exist everywhere, unfortunately.

[Episarta]

Just going by memory, but didn't a neo-nazi almost get elected to the head of government in France a while ago? Also doesn't Iran's President, Mahmoud something or other (I enjoy watching Stephen Colbert with his name), deny the holocaust ever happened?

[The unbreakable will]

you obviously havent read comments on many youtube videos. If the video is a joke then the comments are a joke. The same can be said for NS.

Let's see.

On a video showing a simulation of what happened to one of the WTC towers on 9/11, all the commenters are saying that Purdue University's computer science and civil engineering people are "government shills" and "Illuminati shills." This is a serious video but nobody seems to want to prove how the simulation is wrong. Other commenters said "this is just a cartoon, you can't take this seriously."

On a video of a Ford Mustang revving up, "the Camaro is wayyyy better!" No, it's not, and you'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise. The Mustang is faster, brakes quicker, costs less, gets better gas mileage, and has a better warranty. It is in every sense of the word a superior automobile. It's not even a comparison test. IT'S A MUSTANG REVVING ITS ENGINE. THE VIDEO IS STRICTLY FOR ENJOYMENT. IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEN DON'T COMMENT.

Hmm…well there was also a video from TopGear about them destroying (or rather, trying to destroy) a Toyota Hilux and the commenters were talking about how Jeremy Clarkson was "gay" or "a faggot."

No. YouTube commenters, as a rule, are idiots.

Here are a few fine points:

A) there is just as high an idiot percentage on forums as youtube, there is no escaping them (your a fine example of one)
B) You obviously do not get a joke to save your life
C) Several of your examples are justifiable opinions which your attacking merely because they dont comply with yours.

[Arkinesia]

Just going by memory, but didn't a neo-nazi almost get elected to the head of government in France a while ago? Also doesn't Iran's President, Mahmoud something or other (I enjoy watching Stephen Colbert with his name), deny the holocaust ever happened?

Saying that about Ahmadinejad is cheating. He's a radical Muslim, what do you expect him to believe of the likes of the Holocaust?

[Arkinesia]

Here are a few fine points:

A) there is just as high an idiot percentage on forums as youtube, there is no escaping them (your a fine example of one)
B) You obviously do not get a joke to save your life
C) Several of your examples are justifiable opinions which your attacking merely because they dont comply with yours.

Your 'fine' points are bollocks.

A) No, you're wrong. The end.
B) No, you don't get a joke to save your life.
C) Oh? Are they? Prove it.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

Just going by memory, but didn't a neo-nazi almost get elected to the head of government in France a while ago? Also doesn't Iran's President, Mahmoud something or other (I enjoy watching Stephen Colbert with his name), deny the holocaust ever happened?

Saying that about Ahmadinejad is cheating. He's a radical Muslim, what do you expect him to believe of the likes of the Holocaust?

To my knowledge, Ahmadinejad is one of the only vocal holocaust deniers in that region. You can hate jews without denying the holocaust.

[The unbreakable will]

Here are a few fine points:

A) there is just as high an idiot percentage on forums as youtube, there is no escaping them (your a fine example of one)
B) You obviously do not get a joke to save your life
C) Several of your examples are justifiable opinions which your attacking merely because they dont comply with yours.

Your 'fine' points are bollocks.

A) No, you're wrong. The end.
B) No, you don't get a joke to save your life.
C) Oh? Are they? Prove it.

A)you proved my point by not showing evidence of your opinion, by your logic, that makes you an idiot
B)calling someone gay or retarded on youtube is a joke mate, very few actually think that
C) Simulations are not facts, they are simulations

[Laerod]

It must be illegal, it is a constant reminder to the horrible corruption brought on by power. Germany had a Reichstag, then Hitler took over and the atrocities were committed. The same can occur in any nation, the holocaust must always be remembered to warn the future that that absolute power leads to the corruption of a nation.

Germany had a Reichstag, don't you mean Reich? The Reichstag is the Government building

The Reichstag was the building and parliament. Now it's just the building since parliament has been renamed to the Bundestag.

[Episarta]

Okay people, some of this is starting to sound a little insulting and flamey. Let's try to keep this civil, we don't want the mods to have to shut this down okay?

[Arkinesia]

Your 'fine' points are bollocks.

A) No, you're wrong. The end.
B) No, you don't get a joke to save your life.
C) Oh? Are they? Prove it.

A)you proved my point by not showing evidence of your opinion, by your logic, that makes you an idiot
B)calling someone gay or retarded on youtube is a joke mate, very few actually think that
C) Simulations are not facts, they are simulations

A) I already did and you simply shoved it aside by saying "no u."
B) Do you think? Apparently you've never been outside before.
C) Where did I say it constituted fact on its own accord? Oh wait, nowhere. So now you're just pulling things out of your ass. The reason I watched the video was because the idea of something that, based on forensic evidence (i.e. the scientific method, not guesswork), could help me accurately visualize how things happened on that day, was interesting. Because I like to expand my worldview instead of contract it.

[Apollonesia]

Just going by memory, but didn't a neo-nazi almost get elected to the head of government in France a while ago? Also doesn't Iran's President, Mahmoud something or other (I enjoy watching Stephen Colbert with his name), deny the holocaust ever happened?

Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, yes.

Usually, Holocaust denial = antisemitism. However, Mr. Ahmadinejad isn't an antisemite (just vehemently anti-Israel)... which means that he's simply an idiot.

[Galla-]

In Germany? Yes. It's probably good for everyone that it's illegal.

However, in other countries? No. It's too good a way to spot an asshole.

Why is it good in Germany?

Why is destruction of free speech and political liberty good anywhere?

Why not make it legal, so people are less attracted to the idea?

[Arkinesia]

Just going by memory, but didn't a neo-nazi almost get elected to the head of government in France a while ago? Also doesn't Iran's President, Mahmoud something or other (I enjoy watching Stephen Colbert with his name), deny the holocaust ever happened?

Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, yes.

Usually, Holocaust denial = antisemitism. However, Mr. Ahmadinejad isn't an antisemite (just vehemently anti-Israel)... which means that he's simply an idiot.

You know, it's funny, because it seems like all the 9/11 truthers I know are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or both.

I wonder if there's a connection.

[Licentiana]

Getting off topic here. It should not be legal to deny the Holocaust, at least in places where it actually took place. Germany, Poland, Russia, yeah, but America? No. Veryyyy frowned upon and maybe get a lot of people angry at you, but not illegal. Taking away people rights here, whether they're a jackass or not.

[The unbreakable will]

A)you proved my point by not showing evidence of your opinion, by your logic, that makes you an idiot
B)calling someone gay or retarded on youtube is a joke mate, very few actually think that
C) Simulations are not facts, they are simulations

A) I already did and you simply shoved it aside by saying "no u."
B) Do you think? Apparently you've never been outside before.
C) Where did I say it constituted fact on its own accord? Oh wait, nowhere. So now you're just pulling things out of your ass. The reason I watched the video was because the idea of something that, based on forensic evidence (i.e. the scientific method, not guesswork), could help me accurately visualize how things happened on that day, was interesting. Because I like to expand my worldview instead of contract it.

A)No, you simply said "No, you're wrong. The end."
B) You must be a real douche or completely daft to think everyone is an arse
C)read your own examples a few of your posts back. I countered one and your denying that is not a logical opinion.

[Zeth Rekia]

No, downplaying people's beliefs through use of law and order infringes "Civil Rights" for the people.

Besides, being relentlessly labeled a 'Dumb ass', by everyone you share your opinion on the subject with, will probably work just as well.

[Greater Cabinda]

Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, yes.

Usually, Holocaust denial = antisemitism. However, Mr. Ahmadinejad isn't an antisemite (just vehemently anti-Israel)... which means that he's simply an idiot.

You know, it's funny, because it seems like all the 9/11 truthers I know are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or both.

I wonder if there's a connection.

You wonder if there's a connection between right-wing conspiracy theories and antisemitism? Where have you been?