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Should it be illegal to Deny the Holocaust?

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No
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Sovereign Spirits
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Postby Sovereign Spirits » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:08 pm

It's probably the biggest event of the 20th century. How many people are denying it, that someone decided it should be illegal to do so? Not only is the law completely unnecessary, it is also an overstepping of government bounds, essentially telling you what you are and aren't allowed to believe on threat of punishment by law.
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Postby All Awesome People » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:08 pm

It doesn't matter, everyone would look down on them.
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Postby The unbreakable will » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:10 pm

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Postby Finium » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:10 pm

Cyborg Holland wrote:
Finium wrote:It must be illegal, it is a constant reminder to the horrible corruption brought on by power. Germany had a Reichstag, then Hitler took over and the atrocities were committed. The same can occur in any nation, the holocaust must always be remembered to warn the future that that absolute power leads to the corruption of a nation.


Germany had a Reichstag, don't you mean Reich? The Reichstag is the Government building

Ah, my history teacher is not so smart. I was under the impression that the Reich was the empire and the Reichstag was the German legislature

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Postby Rhodmhire » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:10 pm

Absolutely not. How many people are denying it anyways, ten?

More people probably deny that the earth is an oblate spheroid. More people probably deny that the earth is >6,000-10,000 years old.
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Postby New East Ireland » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:12 pm

In my opinion, anyone should be able to say or deny anything, but within limits.

People shouldn't deny the Holocaust, but they should be allowed to.
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Postby Seperates » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:12 pm

Rhodmhire wrote:Absolutely not. How many people are denying it anyways, ten?

More people probably deny that the earth is an oblate spheroid. More people probably deny that the earth is >6,000-10,000 years old.

Hilariously... there are more historians that deny the Holocaust than Geologists that say the earth is less than 6,000 years old.
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Postby Voerdeland » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:12 pm

No. Right to free speech includes the right to say complete bullcrap.

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Postby The unbreakable will » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:13 pm

New East Ireland wrote:In my opinion, anyone should be able to say or deny anything, but within limits.

People shouldn't deny the Holocaust, but they should be allowed to.

i agree, but i think the right should be reserved to hit them for being total morons/arses
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Postby Finium » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:14 pm

Actually the opposition has a good point, it should be more like a UN res. That is un enforceable , but defines the best course of action

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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:15 pm

The unbreakable will wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:I have generally found that YouTube commenters are their own kind of üntermensch.

You do realize that
A) google translator exists
B) you spelled that wrong
C)That was uncalled for
and D) You have no sense of humor, i suggest you go find one

You do realize that
A) I went there after I read your post
B) Google Translate gave me this so you are wrong
C) Whining is for babies
D) You have no sense of humor because the one who gets offended is always the one lacking in a sense of humor

Your grade: F
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Postby New East Ireland » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:16 pm

Seperates wrote:Hilariously... there are more historians that deny the Holocaust than Geologists that say the earth is less than 6,000 years old.

That's both funny and stupid at the same time.
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Postby Planta Genista » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:18 pm

I don't think anyones opinion should be illegal, even if I feel it is an ignorant opinion.
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Postby The unbreakable will » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:18 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
The unbreakable will wrote:You do realize that
A) google translator exists
B) you spelled that wrong
C)That was uncalled for
and D) You have no sense of humor, i suggest you go find one

You do realize that
A) Google Translator sucks balls
B) For me that's a phonetic spelling and good enough for government work
C) Whining is for babies
D) You have no sense of humor because the one who gets offended is always the one lacking in a sense of humor

Your grade: F

you call me a subhuman and then expect me to not be angry about that.

By your logic i can call you the worlds biggest arse and you should laugh hysterically

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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:19 pm

The unbreakable will wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:You do realize that
A) Google Translator sucks balls
B) For me that's a phonetic spelling and good enough for government work
C) Whining is for babies
D) You have no sense of humor because the one who gets offended is always the one lacking in a sense of humor

Your grade: F

you call me a subhuman and then expect me to not be angry about that.

By your logic i can call you the worlds biggest arse and you should laugh hysterically

Then don't be a YouTube commenter. What kind of worthwhile person spends their time commenting on YouTube videos? Oh, that's right, none of them. Except I don't intend to commit genocide on YouTube commenters, it's merely a jibe at how much time said YouTube commenters waste when they could be doing things like going outside or even playing an MMORPG and at least entertaining themselves and/or others.

Also I checked GT and edited my post accordingly.

The unbreakable will wrote:By your logic i can call you the worlds biggest arse and you should laugh hysterically

I think you need to look up the word logic because I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Postby The Anti-Cosmic Gods » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:20 pm

The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

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Postby Greater Cabinda » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:21 pm

The Anti-Cosmic Gods wrote:The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

I think the former precludes the latter.
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Postby The Anti-Cosmic Gods » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:22 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:
The Anti-Cosmic Gods wrote:The countries with holocaust denial laws all have major Neo-Nazi problems. Where as here in America, the land of free speech, Neo-Nazis are regarded as the jokes they are.


Just throwing that out there.

I think the former precludes the latter.


Are you implying that America somehow has a Neo-Nazi problem? Because we definitely don't.

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Postby The unbreakable will » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
The unbreakable will wrote:you call me a subhuman and then expect me to not be angry about that.

By your logic i can call you the worlds biggest arse and you should laugh hysterically

Then don't be a YouTube commenter. What kind of worthwhile person spends their time commenting on YouTube videos? Oh, that's right, none of them.

Also I checked GT and edited my post accordingly.

The unbreakable will wrote:By your logic i can call you the worlds biggest arse and you should laugh hysterically

I think you need to look up the word logic because I don't think it means what you think it means.

dude, your on a forum right now commenting on how much you hate youtube commentors. There isnt all that big of a difference

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Postby Greater Cabinda » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

The Anti-Cosmic Gods wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:I think the former precludes the latter.


Are you implying that America somehow has a Neo-Nazi problem? Because we definitely don't.

No, I'm implying that Neo-Nazi problems preclude holocaust denial laws.
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Postby Alevuss » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:In Germany? Yes. It's probably good for everyone that it's illegal.

However, in other countries? No. It's too good a way to spot an asshole.

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Postby Vecherd » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

No, I believe in Freedom of Speech and freedom of a lot of other things.
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:23 pm

The unbreakable will wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:Then don't be a YouTube commenter. What kind of worthwhile person spends their time commenting on YouTube videos? Oh, that's right, none of them.

Also I checked GT and edited my post accordingly.


I think you need to look up the word logic because I don't think it means what you think it means.

dude, your on a forum right now commenting on how much you hate youtube commentors. There isnt all that big of a difference

Yes there is.

There are actually intelligent people posting on forums.
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Postby Aquitayne » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:24 pm

Though I find it blatantly obvious that there's no way someone could thoroughly deny the Holocaust, I think that they have the right to think what they think and say what they say.

Regardless of how idiotic it is.
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Postby The unbreakable will » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:24 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
The unbreakable will wrote:dude, your on a forum right now commenting on how much you hate youtube commentors. There isnt all that big of a difference

Yes there is.

There are actually intelligent people posting on forums.

you obviously havent read comments on many youtube videos. If the video is a joke then the comments are a joke. The same can be said for NS.

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