Should it be illegal to deny the Holocaust?

by **Copenhagen Metropolis** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:19 pm

No! Of course it shouldn't. And not in Germany either – as many in here, for some reason, seem to find reasonable. I see no reason to restrict our freedom of speech in any way.

by **Arkinesia** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:20 pm

The unbreakable will wrote:A) Your right, this is a forum. And if it is as "intellectual" as you say, then by all rights i have no reason to trust a word of wikipedia. Watch, i can go on right now and make it say "butterflies are giant bloodsucking demons"

You know what? Fuck this. You won't pay attention to sources, you're not worth my time.

by **The unbreakable will** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:20 pm

Apollonesia wrote:
The unbreakable will wrote:ps, can a mod please ban this kid, im sure he broke at least a few of the rules. I dont mind if you lock my account as well, the sacrifice would be worth it.

You're ridiculous.

no, i dont like being insulted and then have it followed up by repeated insults. No rational person does. If it costs my account to stop him from insulting people, then it is a worthy sacrifice.

by **Galla-** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:20 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Apollonesia wrote:Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust, yes.

Usually, Holocaust denial = antisemitism. However, Mr. Ahmadinejad isn't an antisemite (just vehemently anti-Israel)... which means that he's simply an idiot.

You know, it's funny, because it seems like all the 9/11 truthers I know are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or both.

I wonder if there's a connection.

I dunno, man. Somehow being against illegal colonisation makes you a nutter, which is weird, ain't it.

by **Apollonesia** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:20 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Apollonesia wrote:Makes me happy to know that Germans dislike their history so much.

Swastikas are banned in Germany.

I... I know. Great, isn't it?

by **Gilthador** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:22 pm

No, on the basis of freedom of speech. If this freedom is not upheld for everyone, it is worthless.

by **Galla-** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:29 pm

Apollonesia wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Of course it shouldn't be illegal. Wtf?
If you ever want to halt the game on a German Counter-Strike or Team Fortress server, spray the swastika. The Germans will go apeshit.

Makes me happy to know that Germans dislike their history so much.

So much that they want to forget it and shut it out of their memory, letting it happen again.

by **Apollonesia** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:29 pm

by **Laerod** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:29 pm

Galla- wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:In Germany? Yes. It's probably good for everyone that it's illegal.

However, in other countries? No. It's too good a way to spot an asshole.

Why is it good in Germany?

Why is destruction of free speech and political liberty good anywhere?

Why not make it legal, so people are less attracted to the idea?

Because slander and libel are bad.

by **Arkinesia** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:32 pm

Galla- wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:You know, it's funny, because it seems like all the 9/11 truthers I know are anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, or both.

I wonder if there's a connection.

I dunno, man. Somehow being against illegal colonisation makes you a nutter, which is weird, ain't it.

Oh, now I get it.

No, not anti-Israel in that sense. Anti-Israel in the sense that Israel is just a Zionist nation with sekrit eb0l plots to take over da world@@@

It's like an insane form of anti-semitism.

by **Lathuria** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:34 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:In Germany? Yes. It's probably good for everyone that it's illegal.

However, in other countries? No. It's too good a way to spot an asshole.

"Uh, I noticed theres a gap between 1935 through the 1940's? What happened then?"

"Everyone was on vacation..."

"That doesn't sound--"

"EVERYONE WAS ON VACATION!"

by **Mike the Progressive** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:34 pm

You can't kill an idea.

by **Episarta** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:38 pm

Lathuria wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:In Germany? Yes. It's probably good for everyone that it's illegal.

However, in other countries? No. It's too good a way to spot an asshole.

"Uh, I noticed theres a gap between 1935 through the 1940's? What happened then?"

"Everyone was on vacation..."

"That doesn't sound--"

"EVERYONE WAS ON VACATION!"

Ha, Family Guy. :lol:

by **Kesheru** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:43 pm

Sticky issue, though I think denying an event which occured is wrong. I do believe that people have the right to think and believe what they want to.

by **Laerod** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:46 pm

Kesheru wrote:Sticky issue, though I think denying an event which occured is wrong. I do believe that people have the right to think and believe what they want to.

Not even Germany bans thinking or believing the holocaust didn't happen.

by **Derpusherpus** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:48 pm

Apollonesia wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Swastikas are banned in Germany.

I... I know. Great, isn't it?

Hell no! I would want to paint my house with swastikas and to (s)troll around naked with a big, fat swastika tattoo on my chest.

The good thing about it being banned is the easy opportunity for lulz.

by **Inferior Jjoorbs** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:In Germany? Sure. They have to live with the history and if they feel that's the way they want to go sure.......

They will probably drop the laws when a couple generations past the participants are dead.

I doubt it, it'd still cause a sh*tstorm I expect.

by **Dark Side Messiahs** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:17 pm

You cant illegalize stupidity, its a natural occurrence

by **Galla-** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:19 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Galla- wrote:I dunno, man. Somehow being against illegal colonisation makes you a nutter, which is weird, ain't it.

Oh, now I get it.

No, not anti-Israel in that sense. Anti-Israel in the sense that Israel is just a Zionist nation with sekrit eb0l plots to take over da world@@@

It's like an insane form of anti-semitism.

I thought you meant people who were opposed to the post-67 borders of Israel.

Unless you're being sarcastic.

Laerod wrote:
Galla- wrote:
Why is it good in Germany?

Why is destruction of free speech and political liberty good anywhere?

Why not make it legal, so people are less attracted to the idea?

Because slander and libel are bad.

Oh, so you being offended is what makes something bad?

Germans are only setting themselves up for a repeat of the whole thing if they do this.

by **Anglo-Nihon** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:19 pm

Just because it's good doesn't mean it's government's business to enforce it. This sets a dangerous precedent.

by **Galla-** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:20 pm

Anglo-Nihon wrote:Just because it's good doesn't mean it's government's business to enforce it. This sets a dangerous precedent.

Denying a person's freedom to reasonable free speech is not "good".

by **Laerod** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:21 pm

Galla- wrote:
Laerod wrote:Because slander and libel are bad.

Oh, so you being offended is what makes something bad?

Doesn't terribly matter.

Germans are only setting themselves up for a repeat of the whole thing if they do this.

Haha. That doesn't make sense and I think that's funny. Feel free to explain how that would work.

by **Wolny Kraj** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:22 pm

When you arrest people for thought crimes, you would be acting like the nazis, so no, let people believe what they feel like, despite how disgusting and stupid this particular belief is.

by **The USOT** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:23 pm

Hell no,

Its not illegal to be stupid or an asshole with everything else, it sholdnt apply to this.

Dont get me wrong, your really some kind of douchebag if you dont beleive the holocaust happened (even if we ignore the potential for it to happen, those who deny it, without evidence to the contrary to prove that it didnt happen, are personally inclined towards not wanting to beleive Nazi War crimes), but that doesnt mean you should be arrested.

by **Laerod** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:24 pm

Wolny Kraj wrote:When you arrest people for thought crimes, you would be acting like the nazis, so no, let people believe what they feel like, despite how disgusting and stupid this particular belief is.

It's no more a thought crime than slander and libel are. You're free to believe whatever lies about others all you want but publishing them is a different matter entirely.

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