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by Tsal-Kar » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:30 am
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by Great Nepal » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:35 am
Ailiailia wrote:Great Nepal wrote:Reread the underlined part.![]()
I will hope they will manage to do it... if they cant then - ah well. They still have one of largest empires along with Romanian and German.
Yeah, but still the idea of lugging a nuclear submarine up the Himalayas to "give" it to Nepal is rather comical.


by Blazedtown » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:06 am

by Make up your own mind » Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:07 am
Sociobiology wrote:yes because such people always want to believe they have a clue about psychology, come to think of it everyone does, must be a fluke caused by wiring us to model other peoples brains in ours.

by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:01 pm
Trotskylvania wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
I'm a chemist... which maybe is kind of cheating. With a little experimentation to get proportions right, I don't doubt I could concoct gunpowder recipes... just based on what I know of history and chemistry.
Sten guns though... simple to mass produce, little complexity in assembly. A little 20th century know-how, and the 9th Legion are carrying submachine guns.
*nods*
But it's not just that they don't have the tools to make sten guns; the Romans don't have the tools to make the tools to make the tools to make the tools that make the sten gun. The advances in metallurgy, machine tools, standardization, and chemistry required even to make a crude bolt action rifle, let-alone a finicky automatic weapon, just aren't there.

by Genivaria » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:03 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:But it's not just that they don't have the tools to make sten guns; the Romans don't have the tools to make the tools to make the tools to make the tools that make the sten gun. The advances in metallurgy, machine tools, standardization, and chemistry required even to make a crude bolt action rifle, let-alone a finicky automatic weapon, just aren't there.
Nonsense. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that people who lived a long time ago were stupider than we are.
The technology for making steel predates Rome by a thousand years and more, the chemistry and mettalurgy are more than sufficient - all it needs is a template - and that's the beauty of the Sten, its the pinnacle of template technology. It's NOT finicky - they were often given nicknames like "Plumber's Abortion" because they are so simple, they can be made in a few hours (largely) out of simple parts (like plumbing supplies). The hardest thing to facilitate in ancient Rome would probably be the (few) welds required, but since ancient Egyptians had electric cell technology, I think that would be a small hurdle to cross.

by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:04 pm
Great Nepal wrote:I would take a nuclear submarine loaded with a lot of Trident D5 back to late 1800s; sail it to Thames river, destroy London - then demand all of British Empire (except UK, obviously) to be ceded to Nepal...

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by Genivaria » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:09 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Great Nepal wrote:I would take a nuclear submarine loaded with a lot of Trident D5 back to late 1800s; sail it to Thames river, destroy London - then demand all of British Empire (except UK, obviously) to be ceded to Nepal...
At which point, the Empire and it's allies raze Nepal to the ground. Very Pyrrhic.

by Farnhamia » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:21 pm
Genivaria wrote:Grave_n_idle wrote:
Nonsense. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that people who lived a long time ago were stupider than we are.
The technology for making steel predates Rome by a thousand years and more, the chemistry and mettalurgy are more than sufficient - all it needs is a template - and that's the beauty of the Sten, its the pinnacle of template technology. It's NOT finicky - they were often given nicknames like "Plumber's Abortion" because they are so simple, they can be made in a few hours (largely) out of simple parts (like plumbing supplies). The hardest thing to facilitate in ancient Rome would probably be the (few) welds required, but since ancient Egyptians had electric cell technology, I think that would be a small hurdle to cross.
I'd like to add that the Romans are the ones who gave us concrete.

by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:33 pm

by Genivaria » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:34 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Genivaria wrote:I'd like to add that the Romans are the ones who gave us concrete.
You can't make automatic weapons out of concrete.
And sorry, but Trotskylvania's right, the guns would break down far faster than the Romans would be able to reverse-engineer them, and all the infrastructure required to manufacture them. Now, a nice arquebus or a muzzle-loader ...

by Farnhamia » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:37 pm
Genivaria wrote:Farnhamia wrote:You can't make automatic weapons out of concrete.
And sorry, but Trotskylvania's right, the guns would break down far faster than the Romans would be able to reverse-engineer them, and all the infrastructure required to manufacture them. Now, a nice arquebus or a muzzle-loader ...
I thought it was rather obvious that's what we meant.

by Genivaria » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:40 pm

by Tsal-Kar » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:41 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Genivaria wrote:I'd like to add that the Romans are the ones who gave us concrete.
You can't make automatic weapons out of concrete.
And sorry, but Trotskylvania's right, the guns would break down far faster than the Romans would be able to reverse-engineer them, and all the infrastructure required to manufacture them. Now, a nice arquebus or a muzzle-loader ...

by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:46 pm
Tsal-Kar wrote:Farnhamia wrote:You can't make automatic weapons out of concrete.
And sorry, but Trotskylvania's right, the guns would break down far faster than the Romans would be able to reverse-engineer them, and all the infrastructure required to manufacture them. Now, a nice arquebus or a muzzle-loader ...
No, you can't make them from concrete. Luckily, the Romans made use of iron (which steel is made from), so if you bring the knowledge of how to make steel along with your Sten guns (or, as I suggested, the even more reliable AK's) and gunpowder formulas, you're set. Alternatively, you could go back to a later time in which steel was already used, so you could cut back on how much you had to bring back.

by Swedish Vinland » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:49 pm

by Farnhamia » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:52 pm
Tsal-Kar wrote:Farnhamia wrote:You can't make automatic weapons out of concrete.
And sorry, but Trotskylvania's right, the guns would break down far faster than the Romans would be able to reverse-engineer them, and all the infrastructure required to manufacture them. Now, a nice arquebus or a muzzle-loader ...
No, you can't make them from concrete. Luckily, the Romans made use of iron (which steel is made from), so if you bring the knowledge of how to make steel along with your Sten guns (or, as I suggested, the even more reliable AK's) and gunpowder formulas, you're set. Alternatively, you could go back to a later time in which steel was already used, so you could cut back on how much you had to bring back.

by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:23 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Sure, but they didn't have the machine tools needed to make the parts that go into the automatic weapons. Knowing how to make a steel sword is not the same as knowing how to make the steel parts for a STEN, which need to be made to quite precise specifications. Yeah, you can jury rig parts on a STEN or an AK-47, but think about what you're using to do that.

by Keronians » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:29 pm
Genivaria wrote:If you could take a piece of modern technology with you back in time, what would it be and for what purpose?
I'd take some of Benjamin Franklin's research notes on electricity to some Roman scholars.

by Germanic Templars » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:31 pm

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