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New East Ireland
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Postby New East Ireland » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:55 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
The USOT wrote:I change my answer! Give the Germans in WW1 impressive enough a tank to beat the entente.

I always love "imperial germany wins" scenarios
Germany was offered the Burstyn tank in 1911 (!) - a design more advanced than anything that came after it until the mid-1920s. Germany even wanted it, unfortunately, none of the manufacturers were willing to build a prototype.

Your problem is less 'Give them a design' and more 'Get the industry to believe in one'.

Actually, it wasn't Germany that wanted to build it, it was Austria-Hungary.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:00 am

New East Ireland wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Germany was offered the Burstyn tank in 1911 (!) - a design more advanced than anything that came after it until the mid-1920s. Germany even wanted it, unfortunately, none of the manufacturers were willing to build a prototype.

Your problem is less 'Give them a design' and more 'Get the industry to believe in one'.

Actually, it wasn't Germany that wanted to build it, it was Austria-Hungary.
Nah. Just an Austrian design. The Austrian ministry of war said 'No, we don't have the money', so Burstyn next offered it to Germany. At this point, sources start to differ, between 'The German ministry of war said no, too' and 'The German ministry of war wanted one, but nobody was willing to build it'.

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Postby Vistamar » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:01 am

Genivaria wrote:If you could take a piece of modern technology with you back in time, what would it be and for what purpose?


I'd take mood altering chemicals.

Make the proponents or "founders" of intolerant or fundamentalist political or religious movements chill out.
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Postby New East Ireland » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:03 am

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New East Ireland wrote:Actually, it wasn't Germany that wanted to build it, it was Austria-Hungary.
Nah. Just an Austrian design. The Austrian ministry of war said 'No, we don't have the money', so Burstyn next offered it to Germany. At this point, sources start to differ, between 'The German ministry of war said no, too' and 'The German ministry of war wanted one, but nobody was willing to build it'.

They both messed up. But at least Germany fought in World War I.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:06 am

New East Ireland wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Nah. Just an Austrian design. The Austrian ministry of war said 'No, we don't have the money', so Burstyn next offered it to Germany. At this point, sources start to differ, between 'The German ministry of war said no, too' and 'The German ministry of war wanted one, but nobody was willing to build it'.

They both messed up. But at least Germany fought in World War I.

So did Austria-Hungary: They did pretty well against Serbia, and against Italy... In fact we had to send troops (including one of my own great-uncles, as it happens) to help the Italians stand up to them.
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Postby New East Ireland » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:08 am

Bears Armed wrote:
New East Ireland wrote:They both messed up. But at least Germany fought in World War I.

So did Austria-Hungary: They did pretty well against Serbia, and against Italy... In fact we had to send troops (including one of my own great-uncles, as it happens) to help the Italians stand up to them.

Yeah, but they fought poorly. Well, poorer than Germany at least. I don't know the extent of Austria-Hungary's achievements in the war.
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:13 am

Austria-Hungary did poorly against Russia and (Considering the numbers involved) Serbia. It performed admirably against Italy, and considering its incredibly small resources, its performance in the mediterranean (Well, Adriatic) was nothing less than astounding.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:15 am

Nazis in Space wrote:Austria-Hungary did poorly against Russia and (Considering the numbers involved) Serbia. It performed admirably against Italy, and considering its incredibly small resources, its performance in the mediterranean (Well, Adriatic) was nothing less than astounding.

Did you know that for part of the war the Allies' forces in the Med actually included a squadron of Japanese destroyers, who were based at Malta?
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Postby Nazis in Space » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:17 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:Austria-Hungary did poorly against Russia and (Considering the numbers involved) Serbia. It performed admirably against Italy, and considering its incredibly small resources, its performance in the mediterranean (Well, Adriatic) was nothing less than astounding.

Did you know that for part of the war the Allies' forces in the Med actually included a squadron of Japanese destroyers, who were based at Malta?
Yes.

Although it took a hell of a lot of effort to get the japs to commit.

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Postby Romania Mare1 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:24 am

I'd go back to like the 1900-1800s or so and with the schemes for manufacturing some powerfull weapons (and some partial blueprints for nukes ) and tell them that whoever give me most political and financial power can have them all + acces to poligamy and so on.That's being smart :)

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:41 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:I'd take Sten guns back to the Roman Empire, and avoid a millennium and a half of the civilised world sinking back into barbarism.

*nods*

:clap:

I approve of this. I should hope you arrive before the Battle of the Teutoberg Forest put Augustus off of expansion?


I actually had a year in mind, since I'd obviously be satisfying my tourist tendencies simultaneously - 47 BC.

So... yes.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:42 am

Distruzio wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
I think you'd be surprised by the reception you receive. Considering what a clusterfuck the Articles of Confederation had been, I would guess they would take your history book as vindication, rather than a cautionary tale.


We have a completely different understanding of the prevalence of anti-federalist sentiments prior to 1801 and of actual history, it seems.


Yes. I have an understanding, and you are completely different.

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Postby Lathuria » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:34 am

I'd take King Diamond in time to perform "Welcome Home" across all major timeperiods, to any point where major change was taking place.
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:59 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:Did you know that for part of the war the Allies' forces in the Med actually included a squadron of Japanese destroyers, who were based at Malta?
Yes.

Although it took a hell of a lot of effort to get the japs to commit.


The japs were much more enthusiastic in joining the intervention in the Russian Civil war, though. What with controlling half of Siberia for about a year before finally agreeing to withdraw, as the last "ally" to do so.
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Postby New Embossia » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:03 pm

I'd take five ICBMs, and fight for the Germans.

I'd hit:
Stalingrad
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:08 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
We have a completely different understanding of the prevalence of anti-federalist sentiments prior to 1801 and of actual history, it seems.


Yes. I have an understanding, and you are completely different.

*nods*


Considering I was specifically speaking about the abuses of the constitution and the fact that within a century it becomes a dead letter used to expand the power of the federal gov't, I'd say you haven't a clue about the ratifying generation and their loyalty to the American gov't as it existed before 1801. The very fact that not every state ratified immediately suggests that there were grave hesitations among the population. The fact that secession was mentioned time and again by the North during Jeffersons presidency proves this implication.

The articles had their flaws, but noone among the ratifying generation would have approved the Constitution if they were privy to what it would become, a letter of no authority and a document of despotism.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:26 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Nice.
I was thinking giving them the formula for gunpowder.


I'm a chemist... which maybe is kind of cheating. With a little experimentation to get proportions right, I don't doubt I could concoct gunpowder recipes... just based on what I know of history and chemistry.

Sten guns though... simple to mass produce, little complexity in assembly. A little 20th century know-how, and the 9th Legion are carrying submachine guns.

*nods*

But it's not just that they don't have the tools to make sten guns; the Romans don't have the tools to make the tools to make the tools to make the tools that make the sten gun. The advances in metallurgy, machine tools, standardization, and chemistry required even to make a crude bolt action rifle, let-alone a finicky automatic weapon, just aren't there.

If you want to build the Roman's tech level, you gotta start at the base, and you need to give them the philosophical tools that make the scientific method possible, as well as the complex mathematics, to be able to jump the Romans to that level. And even then, it'd take a century of Hurculean effort, and you'd cause incredible economic disruption in the process.
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Postby Autash » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:33 pm

Romania Mare1 wrote:I'd go back to like the 1900-1800s or so and with the schemes for manufacturing some powerfull weapons (and some partial blueprints for nukes ) and tell them that whoever give me most political and financial power can have them all + acces to poligamy and so on.That's being smart :)


My Ultra-Vikings will have conquered the planet long before then. :P

(Assumes of course that we both went back in time.)
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:38 pm

I'd go back in time and give Vlad Tepes and Wallachia jet aircraft, semiautomatic weapons, missiles, and artillery. As well as thousands of copies of reading material to teach them how to operate all of these things. . .

. . . I'd give every piece of modern technology and the knowhow to use it to Wallachia. Let Romania be the bastion of prosperity for once. And remove the Turks as a threat. Permanently. Oh, you want us under your authority? Come and get us, motherfucker!


I'd go back in time and shoot myself in the face, just before I do all of that. Which will prevent me from going back in time and shooting myself in the face. Which whill cause me to go back in time and shoot myself in the face. Which will prevent me from going back in time and shooting myself in the face. Which whill cause me to go back in time and shoot myself in the face. Which will prevent me from going back in time and shooting myself in the face. Which whill cause me to go back in time and shoot myself in the face. Ad infinutum.
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Postby Romania Mare1 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:55 pm

Romania Mare1 wrote:I'd go back to like the 1900-1800s or so and with the schemes for manufacturing some powerfull weapons (and some partial blueprints for nukes ) and tell them that whoever give me most political and financial power can have them all + acces to poligamy and so on.That's being smart :)



My Ultra-Vikings will have conquered the planet long before then. :P

(Assumes of course that we both went back in time.)

Then i give it to one of the leading Vikings to wipe the others out

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Postby Ramenasia » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:55 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:I'd go back in time and shoot myself in the face, just before I do all of that. Which will prevent me from going back in time and shooting myself in the face. Which whill cause me to go back in time and shoot myself in the face.


Wait, so why are you shooting yourself in the face just because you were prevented from shooting yourself in the face because you shot yourself in the face?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:01 am

Ramenasia wrote:Wait, so why are you shooting yourself in the face just because you were prevented from shooting yourself in the face because you shot yourself in the face?

No you see, I'd be shooting myself in the face to prevent the situation in which I would be shooting myself in the face, which would cause the situation never the happen, thus causing it to happen, thus causing me to shoot myself in the face to prevent the situation in which I would be shooting myself in the face, which would cause the situation never the happen, thus causing it to happen, thus causing me to shoot myself in the face, etc, ad infinitum.
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Postby Romania Mare1 » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:35 am

I like the idea but wouldn't it be more logical for you to actually continue to exist in that plane,hence the future is modified and you simply live in your current version.I mean why does reality have to undo itself ? To me this paradox seems not to be that well thought

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Postby Octabrinaland » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:51 am

I'd take an iPod with me, show them the music that is popular today and convince them to come back to our time so that they can kill prevent music like that ever coming back in the charts again.
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Postby Autash » Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:58 am

Octabrinaland wrote:I'd take an iPod with me, show them the music that is popular today and convince them to come back to our time so that they can kill prevent music like that ever coming back in the charts again.


End result: the word "barbarian" is replaced by "bieberian." Linguists can't figure out the etymology to save their lives.
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