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Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:28 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
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He did wear the uniform for that reason. He came to the island, gathered the youth claiming to wanting to share information about the Oslo bombings, and then killed them, execution style.

He must've been using a fully automatic gun to get that many kills before they'd all fled. I thought automatic guns were extremely hard to get your hands on here unless you're in the army. He was not.

Norway has strict gun laws in regards to storage of a fire arm(must be stored in a safe attached to a building foundation), as a result it is nearly impossible to steal another civil firearm. However it is not so had to steal police and military weapons.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:28 pm

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All I see are nazi apologists like you


It's the Jews nazis don't like.


Not strictly true - even the 'classic' (WW2) Nazis had a wider focus than just Jews (gypsies, for example). Nazism is basically fascism with biological racism attached, including - but not limited to - antisemitism.
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Postby Glorious Norway » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:29 pm

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It's the Jews nazis don't like.


Not strictly true - even the 'classic' (WW2) Nazis had a wider focus than just Jews (gypsies, for example). Nazism is basically fascism with biological racism attached, including - but not limited to - antisemitism.


They were known to co-operate with the Muslims though.

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Postby Derpusherpus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:31 pm

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Derpusherpus wrote:He must've been using a fully automatic gun to get that many kills before they'd all fled. I thought automatic guns were extremely hard to get your hands on here unless you're in the army. He was not.


I think I heard somewhere he killed roughly 10 people on that first encounter, and then proceeded to enter the buildings.

He brought with him a 'machine gun' or a rifle (unknown type), a shotgun and a handgun. Must have had massive amounts of ammunition as well.

It's not easy to get a hold of, but apparently (according to his Facebook page) he was involved in hunting.

Aren't fully automatic guns illegal? You don't need such guns for hunting.
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Postby Veblenia » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:32 pm

Glorious Norway wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Not strictly true - even the 'classic' (WW2) Nazis had a wider focus than just Jews (gypsies, for example). Nazism is basically fascism with biological racism attached, including - but not limited to - antisemitism.


They were known to co-operate with the Muslims though.


They cooperated with the Soviets, too....when it suited them. That doesn't mean they had no problem with the Communists.
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Postby Glorious Norway » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:33 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
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I think I heard somewhere he killed roughly 10 people on that first encounter, and then proceeded to enter the buildings.

He brought with him a 'machine gun' or a rifle (unknown type), a shotgun and a handgun. Must have had massive amounts of ammunition as well.

It's not easy to get a hold of, but apparently (according to his Facebook page) he was involved in hunting.

Aren't fully automatic guns illegal? You don't need such guns for hunting.


I'm not 100 % certain, but yes, I would think so as well. As far as I know, only the police/military are allowed to have full-automatic weapons. But as they say, where there's a will there's a way. Hard to get, but not impossible.

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Postby Han-Kuk » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:35 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:Muslim apologists ahoy!


If it turns out that this has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism, you are going to look an even bigger idiot and troll than you already do.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:43 pm

I believe the Russians are behind the attacks.
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Postby IL Ruffino » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:47 pm

Dakini wrote:
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Norwegian television, NRK.

So nothing on the internet then.

IF IT'S NOT ON THE INTERNET IT MUST BE A LIE.

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Postby Derpusherpus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:47 pm

Han-Kuk wrote:
Sun Aut Ex wrote:Muslim apologists ahoy!


If it turns out that this has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism, you are going to look an even bigger idiot and troll than you already do.

It already has turned out that it wasn't a Muslim attack, but a political attack.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:50 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:The guy may not have been a neo nazi, but he was a nationalist. Damn you, nationalists! >:(

Yes, all nationalists go bomb shit and shoot people.
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Postby Glorious Norway » Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:56 pm

IL Ruffino wrote:
Dakini wrote:So nothing on the internet then.

IF IT'S NOT ON THE INTERNET IT MUST BE A LIE.


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Postby AlexJacobii » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:10 pm

I'm going to go ahead and call this a false flag operation. The people who conducted these attacks were planning then, nobody in their right mind would lead these attacks in the name of their own political party for it would only bring bad press as they knew the guy at the lake would be captured or killed. I'm thinking it's either another nation's plot, or less likely a Liberal plot. Those are the only two that make logical sense, then again the people could be idiots who never thought of the consequences this would have the political party they like best.

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:13 pm

AlexJacobii wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call this a false flag operation. The people who conducted these attacks were planning then, nobody in their right mind would lead these attacks in the name of their own political party for it would only bring bad press as they knew the guy at the lake would be captured or killed. I'm thinking it's either another nation's plot, or less likely a Liberal plot. Those are the only two that make logical sense, then again the people could be idiots who never thought of the consequences this would have the political party they like best.

If I ever carry out a terrorist attack remind me to write a bunch of stuff online advocating an ideology I'm against. :P
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Postby AlexJacobii » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:16 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
AlexJacobii wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call this a false flag operation. The people who conducted these attacks were planning then, nobody in their right mind would lead these attacks in the name of their own political party for it would only bring bad press as they knew the guy at the lake would be captured or killed. I'm thinking it's either another nation's plot, or less likely a Liberal plot. Those are the only two that make logical sense, then again the people could be idiots who never thought of the consequences this would have the political party they like best.

If I ever carry out a terrorist attack remind me to write a bunch of stuff online advocating an ideology I'm against. :P


Alright, that way your attacks will hurt their next campaign so your party can win it all!

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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:18 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Glorious Norway wrote:
I think I heard somewhere he killed roughly 10 people on that first encounter, and then proceeded to enter the buildings.

He brought with him a 'machine gun' or a rifle (unknown type), a shotgun and a handgun. Must have had massive amounts of ammunition as well.

It's not easy to get a hold of, but apparently (according to his Facebook page) he was involved in hunting.

Aren't fully automatic guns illegal? You don't need such guns for hunting.


It isn't difficult to acquire them. At all.
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Postby Sovereign Spirits » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:18 pm

Terrible. My condolences to the victims.
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Postby Kazomal » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:21 pm

87 killed? How many injured?

Christ Almigty. . .

The world's a harsh place, and many, many more than that die every day, but that's still so staggering.

There really are no words. They will be in my prayers.
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Postby AlexJacobii » Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:30 pm

Sovereign Spirits wrote:Terrible. My condolences to the victims.


I think 100% of us agree with this. A rarity for NSG.

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Postby Derpusherpus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:01 pm

AlexJacobii wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call this a false flag operation. The people who conducted these attacks were planning then, nobody in their right mind would lead these attacks in the name of their own political party for it would only bring bad press as they knew the guy at the lake would be captured or killed. I'm thinking it's either another nation's plot, or less likely a Liberal plot. Those are the only two that make logical sense, then again the people could be idiots who never thought of the consequences this would have the political party they like best.

:roll: Sounds like wishful thinking from your part. The guy's identity is well-established. He's been drifting around the right wing scene for years. He can't have faked it.
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Postby AlexJacobii » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:07 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
AlexJacobii wrote:I'm going to go ahead and call this a false flag operation. The people who conducted these attacks were planning then, nobody in their right mind would lead these attacks in the name of their own political party for it would only bring bad press as they knew the guy at the lake would be captured or killed. I'm thinking it's either another nation's plot, or less likely a Liberal plot. Those are the only two that make logical sense, then again the people could be idiots who never thought of the consequences this would have the political party they like best.

:roll: Sounds like wishful thinking from your part. The guy's identity is well-established. He's been drifting around the right wing scene for years. He can't have faked it.


They said the same thing about the guy that burned down the Reichstag remember?

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:08 pm

AlexJacobii wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote: :roll: Sounds like wishful thinking from your part. The guy's identity is well-established. He's been drifting around the right wing scene for years. He can't have faked it.


They said the same thing about the guy that burned down the Reichstag remember?


They should have checked his Facebook page.

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Postby AlexJacobii » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:10 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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They said the same thing about the guy that burned down the Reichstag remember?


They should have checked his Facebook page.

*nods*


Humour just seems wrong in this thread...but I get your point

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:26 pm

Glorious Norway wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:So, how many right wingers have blamed Muslims for this act of a right-wing extremist? :lol2:


Glad you're happy!


Not happy, this is a tragedy, just finding it amusing how similar the shooter's views are likely to be to all the posters who'd made the kneejerk conclusion that this was related to Muslims.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:38 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Glorious Norway wrote:
Glad you're happy!


Not happy, this is a tragedy, just finding it amusing how similar the shooter's views are likely to be to all the posters who'd made the kneejerk conclusion that this was related to Muslims.


And it won't be long before the right-wingers try to cover their own asses by declaring him a lone nutcase who does not represent their views. Evil Moslem Theorem strikes yet again.
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